Nonlethal Ways To Protect Your Wellbeing

[Wheretonow]

Originally Posted by rcinokc

One more thing to consider, if your research fails you and you end up walking into a bust, having a gun could turn misdemeanors into felonies.

It could (and overzealous prosecutors might), but it's unlikely unless you used the firearm in the commission of the act. However, patronizing a prostitute is a Class B misdemeanor, and simply being charged will result in your CHL being suspended, whether you had a weapon with you or not.

[andymarksman]

Originally Posted by Luke Skywalker

I bring condoms to a session as means of defense. I have sessions for simulated love, not war, and pick well the providers.

Really simple.

Ps: i dont own, and never will have a gun.

I wish you were a female provider on this board so we could meet, but I reckon it's not gonna happen in this lifetime.

[eccienewbie]

Be alert as to all that surrounds you, and never walk into any hobby scenario that you don't think you can fight your way out of (or otherwise extricate yourself from) WITHOUT a weapon. Weapons are no bueno in a hobby scenario. Even if you're justified in the usage of a weapon, the evening will not end pleasantly and it will not end with you casually driving away after dropping your "throwdown" piece. That's "movie stuff," and it doesn't even always work in the movies. In all probability (i.e. it's a virtual certainty), you're gonna be visiting with LE if you use it. Period.

So, in the end, avoid any place or person where you think there's anything beyond the remotest of possibilities that you'll need a weapon. That's far from foolproof, of course, 'cause the element of the unknown is always present (both "here" and everywhere else), but it's the best I can come up with in terms of a general rule of thumb, and it's a great reason for most to avoid backpage. Know your limitations and respect them, and stick with the many, many, many well reviewed ladies here and you should be just fine (in all probability).

[andymarksman]

Originally Posted by lda523287

I understand your concern sir, I too have a CHL, but I carry no weapon to an in-call. Have you considered outcalls? It would give you more control of your environment.

The OP doesn't carry his firearm to in-calls either. However possessing a CHL wouldn't make any difference to the OP if he ever puts his "untraceable firearm" to good use. He is not going to stick around and brag to the cops on how he righteously takes out a thug because his purpose would have been defeated, isn't it?

[TrailBlazer]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00K1N...110_SY165_QL70

20 million volts.....in case of the zombie apocalypse, you know. I have a CHL but this is with me at all times. Even has a disable pin so it can't be used against you. 3 seconds on an assailant and they are a drooling puddle of jelly and piss on the ground.
Brought a girly colored one for the SO and recommend to the ladies for protection from douchebags out there.

The firearm stays locked in my truck at an incall. That would be a bitch to explain to LE.

[andymarksman]

Originally Posted by rcinokc

One more thing to consider, if your research fails you and you end up walking into a bust, having a gun could turn misdemeanors into felonies.

The OP has a CHL and leaves his firearm inside his vehicle when he sees a provider, at least that's what we've been told by the OP. However this issue could become more complicated if the OP somehow carries his firearm into the in-call premises. And what's more? A non-traceable hand gun! Thus I wish to hear from Shysterjon the legal expert on the legality of personally carrying an untraceable firearm by a CHL holder. Sorry I have to bug Shyster because I couldn't find a single info or discussion on this particular topic.

[Wheretonow]

Originally Posted by andymarksman

The OP has a CHL and leaves his firearm inside his vehicle when he sees a provider, at least that's what we've been told by the OP. However this issue could become more complicated if the OP somehow carries his firearm into the in-call premises. And what's more? A non-traceable hand gun! Thus I wish to hear from Shysterjon the legal expert on the legality of personally carrying an untraceable firearm by a CHL holder. Sorry I have to bug Shyster because I couldn't find a single info or discussion on this particular topic.

Although I'm not Shysterjon nor a lawyer, I'll try to answer your questions.

Re: Untraceable Firearm

If you purchase a firearm from a licensed FFL dealer, you will be required to fill out an ATF Form 4473. A copy of the form is here:

https://www.atf.gov/files/forms/down...f-f-4473-1.pdf

If you chose to look, you'll see that the form requires a lot of personal information. The dealer will then be required to do an instant background check on you. Although the forms are retained by the dealer, the ATF can visit the dealer at any time and review the forms.

In the great state of Texas (and many others), this procedure is not required if you purchase a firearm from an individual. As a result, the government has no way (unless the seller personally knows you) of tracing the weapon back to you. I have several firearms I have purchased this way.

Carrying or using a weapon obtained this way is perfectly legal. If you have a CHL, you can choose to use a weapon purchased this way as your carry weapon. Sometimes I choose to do so.

On the subject of carrying a weapon into the incall:

There are several reasons why carrying any weapon into the incall could be ill-advised. One of which is if you are busted and the provider was aware that you possessed some kind of weapon, she could then claim that the only reason she was having sex with you was because you threatened her.

That would then open you up to charges of aggravated sexual assault, rape and whatever.

[pyramider]

Are the voices in your head giving you legal advise?

[Wheretonow]

Originally Posted by pyramider

Are the voices in your head giving you legal advise?

Perhaps if I chose to sort through your more than 28,000 posts, I'd find some data that would indicate that you're qualified to render medical advice. But I doubt it.

And since 0.017% (5 of 28,433) of your posts are reviews, I doubt you're much of an expert on escort matters either.

But you seem to have lots of opinions, and an inordinate amount of time to spend sharing them. Too bad that they're mostly personal attacks rather than any kind of substantive contribution to any of the subjects you try to expound on.

Happy New Year.

[TrailBlazer]

Don't worry about Pyramider. As a mega-liberal, he's probably anti-gun and taint is way more important than a person (especially women), protecting themselves.

But honestly dude, I've been hobbying for 14 years and have stayed safe by research, going to safe upscale incalls, or reputable AMPs and studios. Never felt a need for a gun with the company I've chosen to keep. And I'm very 2A and pro-gun.

How horrible I would feel if my firearm was taken by a (or more than one) pimp, thug, etc., because I was overpowered and the provider was shot. I don't feel my life is worth more than a provider whom is more than likely a mother to a young child or several. Not worth it.

Originally Posted by Wheretonow

Perhaps if I chose to sort through your more than 28,000 posts, I'd find some data that would indicate that you're qualified to render medical advice. But I doubt it.

And since 0.017% (5 of 28,433) of your posts are reviews, I doubt you're much of an expert on escort matters either.

But you seem to have lots of opinions, and an inordinate amount of time to spend sharing them. Too bad that they're mostly personal attacks rather than any kind of substantive contribution to any of the subjects you try to expound on.

Happy New Year.

[Wheretonow]

Originally Posted by TrailBlazer

Don't worry about Pyramider. As a mega-liberal, he's probably anti-gun and taint is way more important than a person (especially women), protecting themselves.

But honestly dude, I've been hobbying for 14 years and have stayed safe by research, going to safe upscale incalls, or reputable AMPs and studios. Never felt a need for a gun with the company I've chosen to keep. And I'm very 2A and pro-gun.

How horrible I would feel if my firearm was taken by a (or more than one) pimp, thug, etc., because I was overpowered and the provider was shot. I don't feel my life is worth more than a provider whom is more than likely a mother to a young child or several. Not worth it.

Great post. And I agree entirely.

If you read my original and subsequent posts, you'll find that I say that I never take my gun to an incall. In fact I never said that I take any kind of weapon, either lethal or nonlethal.

I do admit that I take a Swiss Army Knife with me, but that's to open the drinks that I frequently bring with me for our enjoyment. But I will admit feeling uncomfortable being totally unarmed - one of the sacrifices when one chooses to hobby.

I've given this subject a fair amount of thought, and there are other things one might (and I have) considered taking. A cane is one, and some of the kinda weapon thingies you put on a keychain are others.

And I am in total agreement that research and general safety practices are paramount. So let me state again that I do my research, never see anyone off BackPage, only hobby during daylight hours, never go to seedy parts of town, and survey my surrounding before I get out of my vehicle. I rarely make appointments with any provider unless she has a P411 account, and take the minimum amounts of cash, etc. with me.

We in the Dallas area are blessed with many providers who can provide a safe and stimulating experience. It's been awhile since I've made it into Big D to participate, but shortly after the new year I'm going to remedy that.

[Bob the Nailer]

Originally Posted by BrownSugarBaby

Wow - Stun guns and blades in hobbyists bags?

What is the hobby coming to?

Is it THAT dangerous to get a fucking nut?

Jesus.

Well it could be BSB! You never know when/if someone might freak out or decide they want to peg a hot mans ass. Gotta protect the innocent here..... that's an exit only!! LMFAO

[theAcademe]

This topic presents a stunning catch-22 scenario. I identify completely with the idea of keeping yourself protected. Sure, 99% of the time there's nothing to worry about. But bad things do occur and I know I'd want to be able to defend myself effectively when I had no other options.

And of course when you focus in on the nature of the hobby itself, you're increasing your risk somewhat. There is a substantial corner of the hobby world that is seedy and dangerous. That's just a fact. Fortunately for us there are tools we can use (research, p411, etc) to stay safe and plenty of great hobbyists/providers who stay far away from that dark side. That's how you counteract that risk, as many others in this thread have stated.

But back to the catch-22: if the provider knew 100% that you would never use your weapon against her, if she knew that she could trust you, she wouldn't take issue with you having it when you visit. But that's not the world we live in. And it's likely that if you told a provider that you had something like that before going up, she would refuse to see you (perhaps Pistol Marks excepted).

I hate the idea of having to hide that information from a provider, to lie by omission. So the conundrum is this: do you deceive the provider for your own personal safety, or do you err on the side of her comfort/trust and leave it all behind in the car, increasing your personal risk?

I believe that honesty is the best policy so I fall on the latter side, like most others here. But this really isn't a simple issue.

[EZ.]

I'm an old guy that still loves young women. I want to have a good time and enjoy myself. I do my research and avoid BP like the plague. I see some strippers, away from the clubs which is nice because they already feel comfortable with me.

The only thing I carry into the session is the donation. If I get robbed, that is the most that they are going to get. I'm not going to kill someone over $300.

[EROS725]

Pee yourself. They will think you are crazy and they won't mess with you.

Don't bring a gun. EZ is right 300.00 is not worth killing for or dying for.