They were looking for nuclear documents

[reddog1951]

So WTF does abortion or economy have any relevance to this thread? Yes, maybe, if documents were declassified prior to leaving office might be relevant, but we don't know that as fact, do we?

[HedonistForever]

This "nuclear codes" story is as valid as the "pee tape". It has no other purpose than to find out who will bite and who won't.


And I'm pretty sure that what ever codes existed while Trump was President, have since changed, like the day he left and Biden was signed in.


A court of law will have to take all of this into consideration since this has never been tested fully/ to this extent, in our history.


What if Trump's attorneys can prove that on his way out the door but still President, he signed a document de-classifying everything he took? Does a President, as most scholars seem to agree, have the right to de-classify ANYTHING or are there limits and did Trump break that process with "process" being the key to all this. At best, this is a process crime that in the cases of Sandy Burger and Hillary Clinton were fined and security pulled but returned to Burger after stuffing classified documents in his socks before walking out with them demonstrating "intent", another key word we'll be hearing more about.


Then there was Hillary that destroyed subpoenaed evidence, was found to have secret documents on her server but Comey decided there was no "intent" to break the law.


So if Garland and the DOJ want to deliver equal justice under the law, the will at the very least, have to prove that Trump "intended" to violate the "process". So what was Trump's intent? To sell classified information? Good luck proving that.


I'll predict that Trump will not be prosecuted for this "process crime" but we all know that none of this was about "classified documents". This was about trying to find anything related to Jan. 6th that could be used in a criminal prosecution of Trump, knowing that the only thing that can stop Trump from running again, is to be found guilty of "insurrection".

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Trump... er... former PRESIDENT Trump had stated
that everything they took was de-classified.

And, of course, as PRESIDENT - Trump CAN de-classify things.

So much for any truth from Garland... So this Raid HAD
to be done with haste?? ... The Judge gave them a
two-week time frame....

This gets more silly with each passing day.
A Judge who donated to Biden's campaign signs
the permission for the FBI to Raid the opposition
party's TOP expected candidate for 2024.

In fact - the odds-on FAVOURITE to Win the election.

... Hmmmm... Wonderin' IF the "nuclear documents" they
surely claim to be looking for are papers that show
the Biden Administration plans to allow CHINA to
build nuclear power plants in America. ...

#### Salty

You’re back on the declassify shit again. When did he declassify the material. are you really believing he was declassifying documents which were so classified they could only be viewed in a SCIF by a very limited number of people. Unfortunately you’re so far down the rabbit hole you’ve lost all common sense.

[1blackman1]

HF with the ultimate straw something. No one ever said nuclear codes. Except the folks on the right on this site and others. That wasn’t even vaguely what was reported. By reporters.

Since we’re playing what if, here’s an easy one. What if Trump took the stuff because he thought it was cool. And even when confronted about what he had, what if he decided to keep it because he thought it was cool.

See we can all make up What ifs?

[reddog1951]

So much unsubstantiated crap here...how hard is it to stick to FACTS? Hedonist "what if", what if NOT...pure speculation. But I might agree with your admitted speculation that there may be other info sought, maybe about Jan 6 or associates, but again, that is pure speculation and not FACT.

Nuclear secrets are pretty serious shit, so we'll have to wait and see. All I can say is there aren't many secrets compartmentalized in my country club crowd...

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

You’re back on the declassify shit again. When did he declassify the material. are you really believing he was declassifying documents which were so classified they could only be viewed in a SCIF by a very limited number of people. Unfortunately you’re so far down the rabbit hole you’ve lost all common sense.

... When did Trump de-classify things? ... Ask Him.

### Salty

[Yssup Rider]

You’re talking in the same circle again.

Yawn

[1blackman1]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... When did Trump de-classify things? ... Ask Him.

### Salty

I’m gonna speculate that he didn’t. I’ve further speculate that the top secret documents he had aren’t something he would have possibly declassified since that’s reserved for the most valuable information the govt has.

Keep believing crazy shit Salty.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

HF with the ultimate straw something. No one ever said nuclear codes. Except the folks on the right on this site and others. That wasn’t even vaguely what was reported. By reporters.

Since we’re playing what if, here’s an easy one. What if Trump took the stuff because he thought it was cool. And even when confronted about what he had, what if he decided to keep it because he thought it was cool.

See we can all make up What ifs?

Last time I checked, the Atlantic wasn't a right wing publication. So when you said "no one ever said nuclear codes", you either lied, ( would be my guess knowing how plugged in you think you are ) or you are merely pushing dis-information.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/08/trump-fbi-raid-classified-nuclear-documents/671119/


Not Even the President Can Declassify Nuclear Secrets


Fan letters and snapshots are one matter, and launch codes are another—and here the details of classification might decide just how much trouble Trump is in.


The authority to classify and declassify flows from one person with near-absolute power, and for four years that papal figure was Donald J. Trump. This awesome former power will protect him from prosecution, but only so much.


Attorney General Merrick Garland revealed yesterday that the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago concerned the existence of classified material at Trump’s Florida golf resort. And The Washington Postreported that the material included “documents relating to nuclear weapons,” which would seem to surpass in gravity the pilfering of presidential memorabilia that many speculated was the reason for the raid. If Trump took away a postcard from Kim Jong Un, well, tsk-tsk. Political prudence might dictate that Garland not prosecute the case.


Moreover, so much material is classified that one should expect a slipup here and there. For decades, the crusade against overclassification has been a cause mostly of the left, in part on the grounds that so much is secret that no one, let alone Trump, could be expected to abide by all classification rules. Secrets are not rare. By some measures there might be more information that is classified by the U.S. government than is unclassified, in any library, anywhere. In 2004, the physicist Peter Galison tallied the amount of classified material produced every year and found that “about five times as many pages are being added to the classified universe than are being brought to the storehouses of human learning, including all the books and journals on any subject in any language collected in the largest repositories on the planet.” The government certainly has more classified data than exists unclassified in the entire Library of Congress. Mistakes will be made, especially by officials who are flagrantly heedless of basic procedure.


But fan letters and snapshots are one matter, and launch codes are another—and here the details of classification might decide just how much trouble Trump is in. First, let’s focus on the absolute portion of near-absolute power. The 1988 Supreme Court case Navy v. Egan confirmed that classification authority flows from the president except in specific instances separated from his powers by law. And here is where things get theological: A president can make most documents classified or declassified simply by willing them so. This peculiar power is so great that the government has an office that exists solely to manage it: the Information Security Oversight Office, which has a strong claim to being the coolest government office you’ve never heard of. (The longest-serving director of this office, Steven Garfinkel, told me that for two decades he had access to pretty much every secret in the executive branch. “If there was a version of the game show Jeopardy entirely about the federal government,” he deadpanned to me once, “I would be in the Tournament of Champions every single year.” Garfinkel retired to teach high school in 2002 and died in 2018.)


His successor, J. William Leonard, led the office under George W. Bush, and he confirmed the lack of general limitation of his boss’s power. While a president is president, Leonard told me, “the rules and procedures governing the classification and declassification of information apply to everyone else.” And that means Trump could have declassified whatever he wished (again, with specific limitations soon to be discussed) before carting it off to Mar-a-Lago. He would not have had to file paperwork—just “utter the magic words,” Leonard told me. He could have waved his hand over the U-Haul trailer as it headed out the White House driveway and down I-95 toward Florida, and there would have been no classified material in there to mishandle.


Leonard noted important caveats, however. First, Trump’s power to declassify ended with his presidency. Second, that U-Haul could be reclassified by someone else. (Depending on traffic and the sharpness of the Biden administration, I would imagine it could have been reclassified somewhere around Fredericksburg, Virginia.) And third, there are certain materials that presidents cannot classify and declassify at will. One such category of material is the identity of spies.


Another is nuclear secrets. The Atomic Energy Acts of 1946 and 1954 produced an even stranger category of classified knowledge. Anything related to the production or use of nuclear weapons and nuclear power is inherently classified, and Trump could utter whatever words he pleased yet still be in possession of classified material. Where are our nuclear warheads? What tricks have we developed to make sure they work? This information is “born secret” no matter who produces it. The restrictions on documents of this type are incredibly tight. In the unlikely event that Trump came up with a new way to enrich uranium, and scribbled it on a cocktail napkin poolside at Mar-a-Lago early this year, that napkin would instantly have become a classified document subject to various controls and procedures, and possibly illegal for the former president to possess. Of course if he did so, no prosecutor would pursue him. A certain amount of leeway is crucial to the system.


If Trump was keeping nuclear secrets in the storeroom of his country club, without even the benefit of a padlock, and resisted attempts to secure those secrets against infiltrators and spies, a prosecutor might reasonably take more interest. After all, he’s the ex-president, not the pope.


But there was a lock and evidence suggest that this was all done in coordination with the Secret Service and knowledge of the DOJ.


So once again, 1bm1 has demonstrated that throwing out dis-information is his forte. Now I expect him to argue the difference between "codes" and what ever else he can come up with.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

So much unsubstantiated crap here...how hard is it to stick to FACTS? Hedonist "what if", what if NOT...pure speculation. But I might agree with your admitted speculation that there may be other info sought, maybe about Jan 6 or associates, but again, that is pure speculation and not FACT.

Nuclear secrets are pretty serious shit, so we'll have to wait and see. All I can say is there aren't many secrets compartmentalized in my country club crowd...

Come on man, be foolish if you like but I would suggest you don't do it in public. 90% of what is being discussed here and in the MSM, is "what if", because we simply don't know yet what all this is about. As a matter of "fact", I could show you a list as long as your arm, actually longer, of CNN and MSNBC starting most of their segments for the last 5 years concerning Trump, with "IF TRUE", which is in the same neighborhood as "what if". So you'd be telling me that every story about Trump, unproven at the time it was said was not a fact and was not journalism.


And then after scolding me on "what if", you admit you might agree with my "speculation". Come on man.


I remember not that long ago that 1bm1 or was it VM? Anyway, one or both suggested that we shouldn't say anything in this forum unless it was a proven fact. How silly is that? If that were the new rule, none of us could say anything other than the FBI raided the home of the former President because that is all we know for a fact.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I’m gonna speculate that he didn’t. I’ve further speculate that the top secret documents he had aren’t something he would have possibly declassified since that’s reserved for the most valuable information the govt has.

Keep believing crazy shit Salty.

Excuse me? You are going to speculate but I can't? Good fucking grief. You once said none of us should post anything but facts here and here you are speculating about something you have no factual information about.


I rest my case

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by reddog1951

So WTF does abortion or economy have any relevance to this thread? Yes, maybe, if documents were declassified prior to leaving office might be relevant, but we don't know that as fact, do we?

Want to show me where I said anything I posted was a fact? OK, here is your chance to shine. Tell us the "facts" of this case. Oh, and that statement was you saying "what if". Some of you guys tie yourself in knots and forget that we can look at what you have said in the past and compare it to what you are saying now.


I just posted an article from the Atlantic, a well known left wing media, that said that a President doesn't even have to sign a document to declassify documents. All he has to do is say "this is now declassified" and unless that document gives the names of US spies and perhaps some form of nuclear secrets, that document for all legal purposes, is now declassified.


But of course all this will have to be worked out in a court of law and if Garland can't nail Trump with something that keeps him out of the 2024 election, this little move may have assured Trumps win in 2024.

[winn dixie]

Get em HF!

[Jackie S]

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Adam Schiff has undeniable proof that Trump was about to sell our Nuclear Codes to Putin.

[1blackman1]

Oh wow, HF you found one mention of codes, but then the actual article talks about nuclear secrets not codes. As usual, you are typing bullshit.