2023 Steelers Season Thread

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by Iceman

I believe Tomlin is done in Pittsburgh. I hope he's not ruining any return the Steelers could get for him in a trade.

Part of me thinks that Rooney already told Tomlin that there will be major changes which will be out of Tomlin's control. Because of this Tomlin is not committed to the team and wants out.

How nice would it be to trade Tomlin to a team like Carolina or Washington for a 1st round pick. . Two teams that aren’t going to draft a QB in round one and need a coach. Chargers are another one.
But it’s going to be either Rooney won’t have the balls or Tomlin will just say I’ll retire if you trade me.
I still think Tomlin will have trade value at the end of the year, I just doubt it will happen.

[Chase7]

Where are the Pickett haters.

Three of the worse losses in a row in Steeler history “Without Pickett”. You got your wish and seen the results.

Now are you going to blame the defense, the offensive line, the WR’s, Tomlin.
It surely has to be do to something other than Pickett, correct.

[Smarty1]

Originally Posted by Chase7

Where are the Pickett haters.

Three of the worse losses in a row in Steeler history “Without Pickett”. You got your wish and seen the results.

Now are you going to blame the defense, the offensive line, the WR’s, Tomlin.
It surely has to be do to something other than Pickett, correct.

Trubisky is worse than Pickett. That doesn’t make Pickett good. Pickett is the best option on the current roster. I don’t think anybody has ever argued otherwise. (Or at least most people haven’t) Pickett is most certainly not a franchise QB, though. The last couple games do not change that fact.

Don’t give me the “He’s young; he needs time to develop” crap, either. He is in year 2. In year 2, Roethlisberger won a super bowl and put up good numbers (except in the actual Super Bowl game). Joe Burrow got his team there and put up elite numbers in his second year. What evidence is there that Pickett has that type of productivity in him? We get excited when he throws for over 200 yards and 2TD’s for God’s sake. Those are rather pedestrian numbers for most QBs; Pickett has had numbers that good like twice.

I still maintain if Goodell had announced “With the 20th pick in the first round, the Steelers select Kenny Pickett, quarterback from the University of Nebraska” (or sub in any university other than Pitt), there would be an almost unanimous clamoring to run him out of town. While I certainly have great respect for anyone who is capable of turning Pitt into a team that wins anything, he had one really good year in college, and that was a sixth year that most players don’t get. He never really was an elite QB in college other than that one year and he hasn’t been since. More power to him for parlaying that one good year into a first round draft selection and the accompanying contract, but it’s pretty clear he is not an elite talent at this point.

[Chase7]

Ben and Burrow was surrounded by a Super Bowl caliber team is why they succeeded, why can anyone not consider that when using the comparison.

HOF Ben didn’t do good in the last few years either, for some reason some don’t include that in their analysis.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Chase7

Where are the Pickett haters.

Three of the worse losses in a row in Steeler history “Without Pickett”. You got your wish and seen the results.

Kenny would have lost the Cardinals game, had he not gotten knocked out of it. They were already down by 2 TDs when Trubisky had to come in. And as was said above, the fact that Trubisky sucks doesn't make Kenny good. Kenny sucks too, and he's injury prone (he's been knocked out of 5 games so far, out of 24 total).

He'll never be "the guy". For fuck's sake, every other team in the AFC North has a back-up QB who's better than Kenny.

[eyecu2]

I want to know how cleveland ended up with Joe Flacco?! We just sat around on our fucking hands while our QB's are dog shit and inept. It's certainly gotta be on the minds of the Rooneys and Tomlin!!

Who will be first to leave- the current QB staff or Tomlin?

[Smarty1]

Originally Posted by Chase7

Ben and Burrow was surrounded by a Super Bowl caliber team is why they succeeded, why can anyone not consider that when using the comparison.

HOF Ben didn’t do good in the last few years either, for some reason some don’t include that in their analysis.

Sure. The Steelers won tons of Super Bowls before Ben got there; same with the Bengals prior to Burrow. Obviously neither of those guys had anything to do with their team’s success. Those were juggernaut teams before they got there.

Wait a minute - both of those guys were high first round picks. I’m no expert, but I think I recall that in order to get a high first round pick, your team kind of has to suck the previous year. IIRC the Bengals pre-Burrow were a 2 win team and I know the Steelers were a 5-11 team the year prior to Ben being drafted. Obviously those were just tremendous teams.

In any case, those were only examples. CJ Stroud, for example was putting up MVP type numbers as a rookie before he got hurt. Is he a real franchise QB? Who knows, but he already has played more good games than Pickett. Heck, that Zappe guy for the Patriots threw 3TDs in the first half against the Steelers. Nobody is ever going to confuse him with a real franchise QB, but when is the lat time Pickett threw for 3TDs in a whole game, let alone a half? Hint: it was while he was playing for a team here in Pittsburgh, but it wasn’t the Steelers.

Why so you want to keep making excuses for Pickett and giving him a free pass? Yes, he’s better than Trubisky, but that is setting the bar REALLY low. I am ready to use the “b word” here - he’s a bust. If he wasn’t a good “hometown boy” story, most people would agree.

[Smarty1]

And yes, Ben was not great his last year or two. He was obviously physically limited after returning from the elbow injury. The Steelers devised an offense around him that allowed him to throw short, quick passes to both minimize his inability to throw downfield and to overcome the poor pass protection and his limited mobility. They ran that offense fairly effectively for a while and got out to an 11-0 start before the league caught on and started to use press coverages, knowing that Ben couldn’t burn them downfield. Maybe he should have hung it up after the injury, but IMO Ben then was at least as good as Pickett now, and probably better. He was certainly a shell of his former self though.

Ben’s career needs no defense from me; he is a clear hall of fame QB. He didn’t win as much as he might have. His teams did underachieve a bit after the loss to GB in the Super Bowl, but he also was up against Brady and Manning in the conference. Those Pats teams especially were a juggernaut, so I find it hard to be too critical of Ben and the Steelers teams of that time for not winning more. Ben went to three SBs and won two. He holds the NFL record for most 500 yard passing games and for most games with a perfect passer rating. Pickett hasn’t yet had a 300 yard passing game that I can remember and certainly hasn’t even sniffed 400, let alone 500. I don’t know off hand, but I’d be surprised if he even has had a game with a 100 QB rating; he sure as heck has never had a perfect one, and I would take bets that when he is all done in the NFL he will have exactly the same number of both 500 yard games and perfect rating games as I do, namely zero.

Kenny isn’t fit to clean Ben’s jock at this point. Maybe he will improve, but how can you look at his ply so far and think that is likely?

[Charley3]

A new update. When asked about his poor blocking effort, George Pickens reply was “I ain’t trying to get hurt”.
The media then requested a special press conference with Tomlin, something I didn’t know they can do and that the coach is pretty much obligated to attend.
When asked the obvious, Tomlin admitted George is immature but isn’t going to bench him.
How the hell can that team go all in when this is allowed???!! Complete bullshit.

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by Charley3

A new update. When asked about his poor blocking effort, George Pickens reply was “I ain’t trying to get hurt”.
The media then requested a special press conference with Tomlin, something I didn’t know they can do and that the coach is pretty much obligated to attend.
When asked the obvious, Tomlin admitted George is immature but isn’t going to bench him.
How the hell can that team go all in when this is allowed???!! Complete bullshit.

this where a "players coach" fucks up. some guys blame AB getting his head smacked and causing mental problems for his behavior......bullshit AB was an asshole long before that and you know who is partly to blame? tomlin... tomlin let pretty boy stay off campus in the preseason. tomlin let him fly a helocopter into preseason to arrive like a big shot. tomlin let that ego skyrocket. now i get it. tomlin says he treats players differently depending on the situation.... now letting a ten year veteran take practice off i can understand but thats it. players should for the most part be treated all the same, you dont let a guy become a diva and thats what tomlin did with AB and his problems with pickens are going to get worse. Do you think bill up at new england would do that? please Chuck noll? yeah right.

and please stop praising tomlin for never having a losing season. thats called accepting mediocrity. no team is happy with that.

[tommy156]

Never having a losing season is so "mediocre" that no other coach in NFL history has ever done it. Lol.

[Smarty1]

Never having a losing season would be fine if it were accompanied by routinely making the playoffs, winning postseason games, and generally being a serious contender for a Super Bowl. That isn’t the nature of Tomlin’s “never had a losing season”, though. It has been seven years since they have won a playoff game, reaching the AFC title game in 2016. They had a 13-3 season in 2017, so arguably they were still serious contenders. Since then though, they have either missed the playoffs entirely, back dooring their way into the playoffs after collapsing at the end of the season, or barely squeaking in. There was no season since 2017 where they were serious Super Bowl contenders, and this year is no different even if they right the ship and make the playoffs.

Besides, what’s wrong with a losing season every now and again. You guys talk like not having one is some positive, but if you look at how the Steelers got their two Super Bowl winning QBs, they did so by drafting them in the first round following seasons of 1-13 and 5-11. To build a real championship team, you sometimes NEED a losing season or two to build the roster. IMO the Steelers would be well-served by going 4-13 or so in the near future. Continued mediocre records will only result in more mediocrity.

[Charley3]

[QUOTE=chizzy
and please stop praising tomlin for never having a losing season. thats called accepting mediocrity. no team is happy with that.[/QUOTE]

Agree 1000%!! Tomlins first 8-9 years he led a good team. Last 5-6 has been nothing but mediocre at best.
We are in the bottom half in years without a playoff win and it will definitely be extended after this joke of a season.
This garbage with Pickens should be the final straw for Tomlin. How can any hard working, team first guy want to play for this guy?

[Chase7]

Tomlin’s team’s have slowly went down hill once Cowers coaches left.

Tomlin won’t hire anyone that he can’t micromanage/anyone with their own original thoughts and ideas.

Noll always said he tried to surround himself with coach’s better than himself.
Tomlin operates the opposite.

Some want to hang onto the Steelers would be great if they had a franchise QB. They had one for years and still didn’t win, that theory is bogus!

For the last seven years the Steelers have had four different QB’s none of them made the playoffs.
Again, with a franchise HOF QB.

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Never having a losing season is so "mediocre" that no other coach in NFL history has ever done it. Lol.

hey tommi, name me one nfl team that their owner and fans would be happy to go at 500 or one game over every year for lets say 10 years and never make the playoffs?

you cant because noone would be happy with that. all teams want to at least make the playoffs and win

you can keep ass kissing tomlin if you like but if your defense is being mediocre is a great acheivement, doubt many will agree with you

good coach? yes, great coach? no way either way, he message is stale with the fans and i would bet alot of his players