trump the traitor

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

There's no way with the things you say on here, you took a course in a four-year university.

Why do you keep demanding to know about her education, millsy? Do I detect a "false sense of superior intellect" lol?

But your point is well taken... if Ellen was truly educated she would post intelligent comments like this:

Originally Posted by Milly23

Your opinion is shit.

Or this:

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

You are not worth talking to.

Or this:

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

... let's compare our lives... You are parrot... and I'm the baby?

Your meltdowns are entertaining, millsy. And the best ones happen thanks to Ellen!

Bahahahaha!

[gfejunkie]

Originally Posted by harley863

Typical libtard with insults and name calling.

Funny, isn't it? Libtards are so full of their own hypocrisy they can't even recognize it in themselves. Millsy does exactly what he accuses the President of doing.

[pussycat]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I have to say what bothers me most about many Trump supporters is that they already know for whom they will vote in 2020, assuming Trump runs. I have no idea at this time. As I've said, Trump has accomplished little in 5+ months in office but he has about 3 years before the campaign for 2020 gets serious. He may turn out to be great but he may turn out to be terrible. Time will tell. But if he turns out to be terrible, how can anyone say that they will vote for him today?

Trump just turned 71. Seeing him in a tennis outfit shows that he is not in great physical shape. He has said that he misses just being an "average" billionaire where he can do things like go out in his car for a drive. Will he really want to subject himself to another 4 years of people coming after him? I realize he has an ego that won't quit and certainly enjoys the limelight that only the office of POTUS gives a person. But does he want to be doing this as he's pushing 80 HARD?

I agree running at 74 would be difficult, and I don't know if he'd want to do it.

He's already won. He already has his triumph.

His goal was to launch a movement which would return to simple principles of nationalism and rationality and doing what's best for most Americans rather than the elites. This consists of promoting these points:

1.an end to un-regulated flows of labor across the border
2.an end to un-regulated flows of manufacturing across the border
3.an end to bureaucratically driven repressive over regulation
4.an end to useless wars which have only de-stablized the world
5.an end to support for NATO, whose expansion to the Russian borders has triggered a new Cold War

In his crusade every newspaper endorsed his opponent and it didn't matter. Half of the Republican leadership quietly supported his opponent and it didn't matter. All of academia and most college educated people opposed him and it didn't matter. His opponent had all the banks and unions behind her and it didn't matter.

Trump won because his message and movement is rationally in favor of most Americans despite the interests of the powerful globalists and multinationals who fund academics and own the media.

He did this largely through social media and alternative media which the public has turned to because those are the only means which represent their concerns.

You think of yourself as a progressive yet you don't see that Trump IS the progressive, if that's defined as what is best for most people, as long as you define those people as American citizens.

[Observing]

Donald Trump has spent more than 21 percent of his days as president at golf clubs.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...golf-president
"If I were president I'd never leave the Oval Office. There's so much work to be done, I'd never have time to play golf."
-DJT discussing Obama's "frequent" golf outings.

Here he is playing tennis...


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-are-way-down/
The man with a 38% approval rating shouldn't really be talking about ratings!

Donald Trump accused of 'running scared' over plan to sneak into UK with 24 hours' notice to dodge protests.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7820266.html
As with most bullies, he is actually a genuine coward.

[gfejunkie]

Originally Posted by Observing

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...golf-president


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-are-way-down/

Vox and Politifact??? Really???

The only ones with lower ratings than the President are Congress and the lying, FAKE NEWS media!!!

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/...own-much-lower

https://morningconsult.com/2017/04/2...rks-americans/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/03/po...re-than-media/

[Austin Dude]

Originally Posted by gfejunkie

Vox and Politifact??? Really???

The only ones with lower ratings than the President are Congress and the lying, FAKE NEWS media!!!

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/...own-much-lower

https://morningconsult.com/2017/04/2...rks-americans/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/03/po...re-than-media/

Hahaha you talk about Vox and Politifact and then post two articles by right wing media outlets. Newsbusters tagline being to exposing and combating liberal media bias. I wonder what bias they would have. And then one article by nonpartisan site, which oddly has a partnership with Vox. So I'm betting they aren't anti-Vox like you. But the article also made the point that how you feel about the media coverage of Trump has to do with your party. So the "FAKE MEDIA" is only that for Republicans and some Independents. And the kicker is that it was written in April, I'm sure if they poll Independents now, they would have more trusting the news over Trump. As, bragging that Trump was more trusted at 37% than Congress or the Media, that's crazy. 37% is not something to brag about. If someone told you they trusted their surgeon to successful operate on them 37% of the time, you would wonder why they kept going to that surgeon.

[gfejunkie]

You got a problem with Gallup and NPR?

[Austin Dude]

Originally Posted by gfejunkie

You got a problem with Gallup and NPR?

You want a more recent poll?

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.c...st-trump%3famp

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by pussycat

I agree running at 74 would be difficult, and I don't know if he'd want to do it.

He's already won. He already has his triumph.

His goal was to launch a movement which would return to simple principles of nationalism and rationality and doing what's best for most Americans rather than the elites. This consists of promoting these points:

1.an end to un-regulated flows of labor across the border
2.an end to un-regulated flows of manufacturing across the border
3.an end to bureaucratically driven repressive over regulation
4.an end to useless wars which have only de-stablized the world
5.an end to support for NATO, whose expansion to the Russian borders has triggered a new Cold War

In his crusade every newspaper endorsed his opponent and it didn't matter. Half of the Republican leadership quietly supported his opponent and it didn't matter. All of academia and most college educated people opposed him and it didn't matter. His opponent had all the banks and unions behind her and it didn't matter.

Trump won because his message and movement is rationally in favor of most Americans despite the interests of the powerful globalists and multinationals who fund academics and own the media.

He did this largely through social media and alternative media which the public has turned to because those are the only means which represent their concerns.

You think of yourself as a progressive yet you don't see that Trump IS the progressive, if that's defined as what is best for most people, as long as you define those people as American citizens.

I don't know what Trump is at this point in time. I don't put labels such as "progressive" on people. I judge them for their accomplishments whether Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Independent, or whatever. I voted for Obama (the first Democrat I've ever voted for for POTUS) for the exact reason you stated -- I thought he was the best person for most people. I've heard a lot of promises from Trump. So far few major accomplishments. I do like that he is out to change the VA and is taking action to do so. Does not affect many of us but for those it does affect, it is positive -- if it gets done. A few days ago Trump announced he was sending Federal assistance to Chicago to see what can be done to cut down on the ridiculous number of homicides in that city. Again a positive that I like. But let's see what improvements come from his action before applauding too loudly. Let's see how he does on issues important to ALL of us -- health care, taxes, the budget, immigration, the deficit, trade, foreign relations.

The way I look at it is that (and don't take my numbers as anything close to exact) maybe 1/3 of voters will voted for Trump in 2020 no matter what he does in office. Another 1/3 will vote against Trump in 2020 no matter what he does in office. The other 1/3 will actually look at the candidates running and go through a decision process to determine which person will do the most for this country for 4 years.

[Austin Ellen]

Yes, he cares very much for Veteran's. That is a major reason I support him. It's obvious he loves this country very much. But we need to give him some time to get things accomplished. He's being attacked all the time - that will wear anybody out. Anyway, I'm one of "those people" that will vote for him in 2020 --- no matter what - I just love the man.

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I don't know what Trump is at this point in time. I don't put labels such as "progressive" on people. I judge them for their accomplishments whether Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Independent, or whatever. I voted for Obama (the first Democrat I've ever voted for for POTUS) for the exact reason you stated -- I thought he was the best person for most people. I've heard a lot of promises from Trump. So far few major accomplishments. I do like that he is out to change the VA and is taking action to do so. Does not affect many of us but for those it does affect, it is positive -- if it gets done. A few days ago Trump announced he was sending Federal assistance to Chicago to see what can be done to cut down on the ridiculous number of homicides in that city. Again a positive that I like. But let's see what improvements come from his action before applauding too loudly. Let's see how he does on issues important to ALL of us -- health care, taxes, the budget, immigration, the deficit, trade, foreign relations.

The way I look at it is that (and don't take my numbers as anything close to exact) maybe 1/3 of voters will voted for Trump in 2020 no matter what he does in office. Another 1/3 will vote against Trump in 2020 no matter what he does in office. The other 1/3 will actually look at the candidates running and go through a decision process to determine which person will do the most for this country for 4 years.

[Austin Dude]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I don't know what Trump is at this point in time. I don't put labels such as "progressive" on people. I judge them for their accomplishments whether Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, Independent, or whatever. I voted for Obama (the first Democrat I've ever voted for for POTUS) for the exact reason you stated -- I thought he was the best person for most people. I've heard a lot of promises from Trump. So far few major accomplishments. I do like that he is out to change the VA and is taking action to do so. Does not affect many of us but for those it does affect, it is positive -- if it gets done. A few days ago Trump announced he was sending Federal assistance to Chicago to see what can be done to cut down on the ridiculous number of homicides in that city. Again a positive that I like. But let's see what improvements come from his action before applauding too loudly. Let's see how he does on issues important to ALL of us -- health care, taxes, the budget, immigration, the deficit, trade, foreign relations.

The way I look at it is that (and don't take my numbers as anything close to exact) maybe 1/3 of voters will voted for Trump in 2020 no matter what he does in office. Another 1/3 will vote against Trump in 2020 no matter what he does in office. The other 1/3 will actually look at the candidates running and go through a decision process to determine which person will do the most for this country for 4 years.

He's out to change the VA but he's also hurting them with his healthcare plans. Not all vets can get VA care. So many of them rely on the Medicaid expansions that will be effected with the new bill. The Republican bill also hurts with coverage of essential benefits. So certain things that would fall under mental health coverage, may not anymore. Great he wants to reform the VA because that sounds good to say. I'm more for reforming the health we provide soldiers, which contrary to Trump people includes benefits they receive from the ACA.

And Chicago. That's just a talking point for Trump. He doesn't understand the issues behind what's going on in that city. He just uses it as a black on black crime thing. Where the streets are too dangerous to walk down. Sending in Federal assistance may drop the number of killings by people there and Trump will tout it as a win. But I can assure you that there will be some killing of the African American population there by federal agents. And then once those agents leave, the violence will continue. Chicago didn't just pop up overnight or in the last 8 years. It's systematic and it's not going to be fixed with more policing. Especially not by an administration who has shown a lack of commitment or connection to the African American population.

I will never judge Trump on something like Chicago because he doesn't have to capacity to understand the problem, so he will never understand ways to fix it. I will judge him on jobs (which jobs). I want to see a lot of coal jobs coming back. I will judge him on if they repeal and immediately ACA replace like he promised and provide a great alternative. I will judge him on a wall that Mexico pays for. Taxes will be great for the rich and not so bad for the middle class, that's going to happen. Foreign relations are already bad. The budget is more a Congress thing, though the plan he proposed was horrible. But boy I really can't wait to see that golfing number at the end of the year. It's going to be bigly.

[Austin Ellen]

Happy 4th of July guys!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Austin Ellen

Yes, he cares very much for Veteran's. That is a major reason I support him. It's obvious he loves this country very much. But we need to give him some time to get things accomplished. He's being attacked all the time - that will wear anybody out. Anyway, I'm one of "those people" that will vote for him in 2020 --- no matter what - I just love the man.

And, unfortunately, that is why I consider you one of the more stupid people on this forum. And I would say the same thing about anyone who has already decided to vote against Trump.

Trump is being attacked. Obama was attacked for 8 years. The difference between the 2 men is that Obama took the attacks silently and Trump can't help but tweet every time he is criticized.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

He's out to change the VA but he's also hurting them with his healthcare plans. Not all vets can get VA care. So many of them rely on the Medicaid expansions that will be effected with the new bill. The Republican bill also hurts with coverage of essential benefits. So certain things that would fall under mental health coverage, may not anymore. Great he wants to reform the VA because that sounds good to say. I'm more for reforming the health we provide soldiers, which contrary to Trump people includes benefits they receive from the ACA.

And Chicago. That's just a talking point for Trump. He doesn't understand the issues behind what's going on in that city. He just uses it as a black on black crime thing. Where the streets are too dangerous to walk down. Sending in Federal assistance may drop the number of killings by people there and Trump will tout it as a win. But I can assure you that there will be some killing of the African American population there by federal agents. And then once those agents leave, the violence will continue. Chicago didn't just pop up overnight or in the last 8 years. It's systematic and it's not going to be fixed with more policing. Especially not by an administration who has shown a lack of commitment or connection to the African American population.

I will never judge Trump on something like Chicago because he doesn't have to capacity to understand the problem, so he will never understand ways to fix it. I will judge him on jobs (which jobs). I want to see a lot of coal jobs coming back. I will judge him on if they repeal and immediately ACA replace like he promised and provide a great alternative. I will judge him on a wall that Mexico pays for. Taxes will be great for the rich and not so bad for the middle class, that's going to happen. Foreign relations are already bad. The budget is more a Congress thing, though the plan he proposed was horrible. But boy I really can't wait to see that golfing number at the end of the year. It's going to be bigly.

The VA needs help. It is very poorly run. If Trump can get the VA to run more efficiently I applaud him on that. I consider that a different issue than the health plan, which I think is now called the American Healthcare Act, which will be a disaster to many and helpful to a few, mostly the rich. I have several friends who were hurt by Obamacare -- most were hit hard by soaring deductibles. Some complained about higher premiums. Not good. But the new plan will definitely return us to the "bad old days" when healthcare premiums are not financially available to many -- as many as 24 million in the future. And if you are older and not eligible for Medicare, you will be screwed.

Like I have always said, talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Trump has made a great many promises to the American people, few have yet to come to fruition. The promises to reform the VA and reduce the violence are 2 more promises as of yet unfilled. If he can actually keep those promises I applaud him. But he will still have many more promises to meet before I would consider him a success in his job.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by Austin Dude

And Chicago. That's just a talking point for Trump. He doesn't understand the issues behind what's going on in that city. He just uses it as a black on black crime thing. Where the streets are too dangerous to walk down. Sending in Federal assistance may drop the number of killings by people there and Trump will tout it as a win. But I can assure you that there will be some killing of the African American population there by federal agents. And then once those agents leave, the violence will continue. Chicago didn't just pop up overnight or in the last 8 years. It's systematic and it's not going to be fixed with more policing. Especially not by an administration who has shown a lack of commitment or connection to the African American population.

I will never judge Trump on something like Chicago because he doesn't have to capacity to understand the problem, so he will never understand ways to fix it.

What the fuck? What's your solution, millsy? You obviously know more than Trump, right? You have the "capacity to understand the problem", right? So why don't you tell us how to fix it?

The POTUS wants to reduce the killing in Chicago. Most people think that's a good idea. But you're more concerned with denying him a "win".

You're such a fucking hyper-partisan asshole you would rather let people die than watch Trump do something to stop the carnage. That's disgusting and immoral.