In case you haven't noticed, Obama is about to lose Iraq

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I will take the following thoughts from the Chief UN Weapons Inspector, Hans Blix over the distorted version found above, provided by a member of the Idiot Family, appropriately named IBIdiot.

From Wiki:

In an interview on BBC 1 on 8 February 2004, Blix accused the US and British governments of dramatizing the threat of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, in order to strengthen the case for the 2003 war against the government of Saddam Hussein. Ultimately, no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction were ever found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Blix

Again with your 20/20 *hindsight*, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat. Cite where Blix stated that he was 100% sure Saddam didn't have WMD BEFORE the invasion, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat. You cannot, because Blix was never absolutely sure Saddam didn't have WMD, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat.

[Yssup Rider]

He never found any either, IBDumbasshit.

NOBODY DID.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

He never found any either, IBDumbasshit.

NOBODY DID.

If Bush, et al, were "lying", why did they keep looking for something you say they knew wasn't there, you lying, hypocritical, racist, cum-gobbling golem fucktard, HDDB, DEM?

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results
BY NOAH SHACHTMAN 23 Oct 2010

WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction.... chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.

In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.

Three months later, in northern Iraq, U.S. scouts went to look in on a “chemical weapons” complex. “One of the bunkers has been tampered with,” they write. “The integrity of the seal [around the complex] appears intact, but it seems someone is interesting in trying to get into the bunkers.”

Meanwhile, the second battle of Fallujah was raging in Anbar province. In the southeastern corner of the city, American forces came across a “house with a chemical lab … substances found are similar to ones (in lesser quantities located a previous chemical lab.” The following day, there’s a call in another part of the city for explosive experts to dispose of a “chemical cache.”

Nearly three years later, American troops were still finding WMD in the region. An armored Buffalo vehicle unearthed a cache of artillery shells “that was covered by sacks and leaves under an Iraqi Community Watch checkpoint. “The 155mm rounds are filled with an unknown liquid, and several of which are leaking a black tar-like substance.” Initial tests were inconclusive. But later, “the rounds tested positive for mustard.”

In WikiLeaks’ massive trove of nearly 392,000 Iraq war logs are hundreds of references to chemical and biological weapons. Most of those are intelligence reports or initial suspicions of WMD that don’t pan out.

http://www.wired.com/2010/10/wikilea...ising-results/

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You cannot, because Blix was never absolutely sure Saddam didn't have WMD, BigKoTex:

Well DUH!

Prior to the Shrub's final authorization of the ill fated and ill advised, spring of 2003 invasion of Iraq, Blix stated that he needed a few more months to properly complete their mission regarding whether or not Iraq had WMD's.

Subsequently, the Shrub and/or Darth Cheney made the decision to remove the UN Weapons Inspectors prior to completing their mission. That is the reason that Blix would not have been "absolutely sure" prior to the invasion.

However, a year after the invasion (March 2004) it was determined by the U.N. Weapons Inspectors that Saddam no longer had WMD's after 1994.

A report from U.N. weapons inspectors to be released today says they now believe there were no weapons of mass destruction of any significance in Iraq after 1994, according to two U.N. diplomats who have seen the document.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...2-un-wmd_x.htm

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Well DUH!

Prior to the Shrub's final authorization of the ill fated and ill advised, spring of 2003 invasion of Iraq, Blix stated that he needed a few more months to properly complete their mission regarding whether or not Iraq had WMD's.

Subsequently, the Shrub and/or Darth Cheney made the decision to remove the UN Weapons Inspectors prior to completing their mission. That is the reason that Blix would not have been "absolutely sure" prior to the invasion.

Blix's own words show you to be a disingenuous liar, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat.

"To take an example, a document, which Iraq provided, suggested to us that some 1,000 tonnes of chemical agent were "unaccounted for". One must not jump to the conclusion that they exist. However, that possibility is also not excluded. If they exist, they should be presented for destruction. If they do not exist, credible evidence to that effect should be presented.

"Without evidence, confidence cannot arise."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...unitednations1



"The United Nations' chief weapons inspector, Dr Hans Blix, warned Saddam Hussein last night that there must be no "cat and mouse" games on the ground in Iraq....

"There must be no repeat of the Iraqis' past antics, such as denying access, refusing to escort inspectors to key sites or out and out deception, he insisted:'Cat and mouse is something that I am sure will not be tolerated in the future.'

"His mission has already been undermined by Iraq's brazen denial that it has ever embarked on such programmes, a claim contradicted by the historical record.

"Having accepted a draconian UN resolution authorising "serious consequences" if Iraq continues its defiance of the rest of the world..."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ns-Saddam.html

It was only AFTER the invasion that Saddam ended his "cat and mouse" games, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

"Without evidence, confidence cannot arise."

I will not dispute the fact that "without evidence, confidence cannot arise."

However from your quoted source, I found the following February 2003 report of the U.N. Weapons Inspectors up until that point.

Since we arrived in Iraq, we have conducted more than 400 inspections covering more than 300 sites. All inspections were performed without notice, and access was almost always provided promptly. In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming.

The inspections have taken place throughout Iraq at industrial sites, ammunition depots, research centres, universities, presidential sites, mobile laboratories, private houses, missile production facilities, military camps and agricultural sites. At all sites which had been inspected before 1998, re-baselining activities were performed. This included the identification of the function and contents of each building, new or old, at a site. It also included verification of previously tagged equipment, application of seals and tags, taking samples and discussions with the site personnel regarding past and present activities. At certain sites, ground-penetrating radar was used to look for underground structures or buried equipment.

Through the inspections conducted so far, we have obtained a good knowledge of the industrial and scientific landscape of Iraq, as well as of its missile capability but, as before, we do not know every cave and corner. Inspections are effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that arose due to the absence of inspections between December 1998 and November 2002.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...unitednations1

It is quite apparent that the Inspectors had successfully begun their task. However, it is equally clear they did not consider it to be a completed task. In effect, that clearly indicates the Inspector's needed more time. Thus, the request from the Inspector's to give them a few more months to complete their mission.

Unfortunately for us all, it is clear that The Shrub and Darth Cheney, made the decision to deny the UN Weapon's Inspector's request for more time. Less than a month later Shrubbie authorized the ill fated and ill advised Spring of 2003 invasion of Iraq, that ultimately led to the deaths of 4500+ American soldiers and at a cost of almost $1 trillion, that arguably became a prevailing reason for the September 15, 2008, Stock Market Crash that negatively impacted the entire world.

The rest is history!!!!!

Yep, The Shrub should have listened to the UN Weapons Inspectors as opposed to Darth Cheney!

BTW, thanks for providing the link, IBIdiot!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I will not dispute the fact that "without evidence, confidence cannot arise."

However from your quoted source, I found the following February 2003 report of the U.N. Weapons Inspectors up until that point.

Since we arrived in Iraq, we have conducted more than 400 inspections covering more than 300 sites. All inspections were performed without notice, and access was almost always provided promptly. In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming.

The inspections have taken place throughout Iraq at industrial sites, ammunition depots, research centres, universities, presidential sites, mobile laboratories, private houses, missile production facilities, military camps and agricultural sites. At all sites which had been inspected before 1998, re-baselining activities were performed. This included the identification of the function and contents of each building, new or old, at a site. It also included verification of previously tagged equipment, application of seals and tags, taking samples and discussions with the site personnel regarding past and present activities. At certain sites, ground-penetrating radar was used to look for underground structures or buried equipment.

Through the inspections conducted so far, we have obtained a good knowledge of the industrial and scientific landscape of Iraq, as well as of its missile capability but, as before, we do not know every cave and corner. Inspections are effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that arose due to the absence of inspections between December 1998 and November 2002.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/200...unitednations1

It is quite apparent that the Inspectors had successfully began their task. However, it was equally clear they did not consider it to be a completed task. In effect, that clearly indicates the Inspector's needed more time. Thus, the request from the Inspector's to give them a few more months to complete their mission.

Unfortunately for us all, The Shrub and Darth Cheney, made the decision to deny the UN Weapon's Inspector's request for more time and less than a month later Shrubbie authorized the ill fated and ill advised Spring of 2003 invasion of Iraq, that ultimately led to the deaths of 4500+ American soldiers and at a cost of almost $1 trillion, that arguably became a prevailing reason for the September 15, 2008, Stock Market Crash that impacted the entire world.

Yep, The Shrub should have listened to the UN Weapons Inspectors as opposed to Darth Cheney!

BTW, thanks for providing the link, IBIdiot!

Your stupidity blinded you to Blix's conclusion, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat.

UNMOVIC is not infrequently asked how much more time it needs to complete its task in Iraq. The answer depends upon which task one has in mind - the elimination of weapons of mass destruction and related items and programmes, which were prohibited in 1991 - the disarmament task - or the monitoring that no new proscribed activities occur. The latter task, though not often focused upon, is highly significant - and not controversial. It will require monitoring, which is "ongoing", that is, open-ended until the Council decides otherwise.

By contrast, the task of "disarmament" foreseen in resolution 687 (1991) and the progress on "key remaining disarmament tasks" foreseen in resolution 1284 (1999) as well as the "disarmament obligations", which Iraq was given a "final opportunity to comply with" under resolution 1441 (2002), were always required to be fulfilled in a shorter time span. Regrettably, the high degree of cooperation required of Iraq for disarmament through inspection was not forthcoming in 1991. Despite the elimination, under UNSCOM and IAEA supervision, of large amounts of weapons, weapons-related items and installations over the years, the task remained incomplete, when inspectors were withdrawn almost 8 years later at the end of 1998.

If Iraq had provided the necessary cooperation in 1991, the phase of disarmament - under resolution 687 (1991) - could have been short and a decade of sanctions could have been avoided. Today, three months after the adoption of resolution 1441 (2002), the period of disarmament through inspection could still be short, if "immediate, active and unconditional cooperation" with UNMOVIC and the IAEA were to be forthcoming.

[Guest040616]

It is such a pity!

If Shrubya would have taken the time to listen to the Weapons Inspectors request for a few additional months and not Darth Cheney and Rummy, the ill fated and ill advised spring of 2003 invasion could have been avoided!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

It is such a pity!

If Shrubya would have taken the time to listen to the Weapons Inspectors request for a few additional months and not Darth Cheney and Rummy, the ill fated and ill advised spring of 2003 invasion could have been avoided!

Blix claimed the whole issue could have been resolved in 1991, if Saddam had cooperated, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat. So, you'll need to explain why you -- with your gift of *hindsight* -- think twelve years of "cat and mouse" games doesn't constitute those "few additional months" you allude to, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Blix claimed the whole issue could have been resolved in 1991, if Saddam had cooperated,

Since both Darth Cheney and Crummy Rummy were members of the GHW Bush Cabinet in 1991, they must have screwed that pooch also. Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda!

That doesn't alter the fact that the ill fated and ill advised, spring of 2003 invasion did not have to occur in March of 2003. Had Shrubbie decided to ignore Darth Cheney's repeated request to invade in March 2003 and delayed the decision for another few months (as per the UN Weapon's Inspector's request), the invasion would not have been necessary.

Yet anther in a very long line of piss poor decisions made by President Shrubbie!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

It absolutely could have been resolved in 1991. But Darth Cheney and Rummy must have screwed that pooch also.

That doesn't alter the fact that the ill fated and ill advised, spring of 2003 invasion did not have to occur in March of 2003. Had Shrubbie decided to ignore Darth Cheney's repeated request to invade in March 2003 and delayed the decision for another few months, the invasion would not have been necessary.

Yet anther piss poor decision made by President Shrubbie!

You didn't explain why you imagine that twelve years didn't contain enough months for Saddam to come clean on his WMD programs, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Reports I've read say they found old stockpiles of non-functioning material, stuff which might have been WMDs at one time, but not today. And, that they'd likely be unable to create a weapon with them.

What is being produced, LLIdiot? What WMDs? Why didn't Bush's administration find them in Saddam's biggest chemical weapons plant before they began backpedaling on the corpses of dead American soldiers and Iraqi civilians?

You'd think that maybe during the weapons inspections, that the first place they'd look might have been THERE.

You'd think that in ongoing operations in Iraq for a decade they might have found them by looking THERE.

BUT NOOOO.

Bush was right all along, right LLIdiot? The PRESS covered up his administration's findings! Right LLIdiot?

SNICK!

So he had chemical weapons plants just no chemical weapons?

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You didn't explain why you imagine that twelve years didn't contain enough months for Saddam to come clean on his WMD programs

You didn't explain why Shrubbie decided to authorize the ill fated and ill advised, spring of 2003 invasion of Iraq, even though the Weapon's Inspector's were requesting a few more months to complete their assigned task.

Unfortunately, Shrubbie's piss poor decision led to 4500+ dead American soldiers at a cost of nearly $1 trillion.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by boardman

So he had chemical weapons plants just no chemical weapons?

Yeah, ones that had been shut down. Why is this so difficult for the Bushatrons to swallow?

Fact is, they didn't find any. They kept looking. They still didn't find any.

Now, more than a decade later, they suddenly find "something" they couldn't find before in the most likely place to look.

And it's shit they can't use.

OK.

I wonder if Martin Luther King believes that. Whir-LIE-turd, you seem to know what MLK believed. Why don't YOU enlighten us?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by bigtex

You didn't explain why Shrubbie decided to authorize the ill fated and ill advised, spring of 2003 invasion of Iraq, even though the Weapon's Inspector's were requesting a few more months to complete their assigned task. Ultimately the piss poor decision made Shrubya led to 4500+ dead American soldiers at a cost of nearly $1 trillion.

There's no doubt, that unlike you, BigKoTex: the BUTTer Bar ASShat, Bush is smarter and figured that some 144 months constituted more than enough months for Saddam to come clean on his WMD programs, and Bush reckoned that enough-was-enough, just as did Slick Willie the Perjuring Sexual Predator when he launched his Operation Desert Fox against Sadam in 1998.