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[Ms. Milani]

Originally Posted by Laz

I hope the silent people sending you PM's will speak up. While I do not see any problems I am well aware that I know very little of all the things going on. If there is a problem, shine a light on it and provide examples so that it can be addressed. If everyone with a problem stays silent, then they are the problem.

Originally Posted by Whispers

I hope they do as well...

All I will say is this. We, providers, are told time and time again that if we are in any kind of drama in the board it will be career suicide. Even if it's not drama we caused.

All I will say is this. I don't think Mokoa is the issue completely. I was once getting stalked and it was bad. Mokoa was able to calm me down and talk some sense into me. He is quite strict and I do think some of the rules need to be changed. Mainly ones that protect hobbyists more than providers (hiding hobbyist's info on alerts in the infoshare). I think Mokoa is a good person. He admits his faults and explains his reasoning. I remember once when I had gotten some violation that was completely uncalled for. I messaged him very irate and pointed out why it was uncalled for. He reversed it and apologized. I do have an issue with the other mod (unprofessional). Rules on the San Antonio board DO need to be changed though. Freedom of speech should definitely be allowed more than it is. I'm sure some of the worry is that people will make themselves look more like jackasses but you know what? That's a good thing! That way we can stay away from them. Providers need more rights on the board. Alerts in the info share shouldn't be censored. It's need to know information. Members should be able to be banned by their activities outside the board with other members (rape, stalking, etc) with proof of course. There is also two sides to every story and I had no idea what this whole "debate" was about. Now I can't say for certain which "side" I'm on but some of the things do make sense. I also went and visited the Austin board and I rather like it. Although there are some things I don't agree with. I'm also wondering if Mokoa was told to be strict by someone higher? Perhaps he's following rules given to him and the issue is further up? I don't know how the board hierarchy works.

I, personally, would give free reign for the postings. ThreAds don't bother me but if you allow some then you must allow them all. Picking and choosing isn't right. As long as members aren't threatening, harassing, stalking, or doing things that will actually hurt someone then it should be allowed. Freedom of speech is way underrated here. Hobbyists AND providers should be allowed to speak without being censored. But they must also accept the consequences of their words. Mods should be professional and handle things without snide remarks or insults. Mods should only intervene when it becomes dangerous.

Providers need more rights and protection (from rape not words) on the board. Yes I said it. I've responded because I am in the "silent group". Whether or not this becomes career suicide then so be it. I responded as requested. I'm tired of being censored. I'm tired of being told that I shouldn't speak my mind or I will lose my clients. My clients KNOW me. They know I'm a great person and I don't personally like drama. I do think change is always good but just as long as it's done correctly. I don't like bashing others and I prefer to think everyone has a good heart (naive I know).

Whispers, you've made some good points. I just don't think Mokoa is the only problem. I think he's just doing what he's told. Just like Obama. I would definitely want to talk to the head mod of ECCIE to get the rules clarified. I would also start a "petition" to change the rules we do not like. And hopefully ECCIE is not like the US and will actually listen to their "citizens". If not...then perhaps starting a new website with the desired rules would be the next step.

I'm very curious to know what rules you're wanting changed, Whispers. I understand censorship but in which way? Would you want rights from Providers taken away? You seem to be very honest and I'm curious to your view point on Providers' rights.

Please forgive any misspellings or grammar errors. Still having cloudy thinking due to black mold.

[Precious_b]

Talked with some Hobbyist last night. And a Provider.
Unfortunately not all were around at the same time.
I don't know more than an iota of a Providers side of the fence except what little i've seen. But listening to her last night, made me open my eyes a bit. Nothing that I would doubt overall. And it is just one person. But still, it'd be nice to hear them here.

[Guest112113-3]

Originally Posted by Malaya

Hobbyists AND providers should be allowed to speak without being censored. But they must also accept the consequences of their words. Mods should be professional and handle things without snide remarks or insults. Mods should only intervene when it becomes dangerous.

Thanks for standing up and speaking your mind, I hope others in the silent group will follow with your lead...

I know that you addressed Whispers on rules changes, I'm sure that he will address that but pretty sure that the majority of the rules are well placed, it shows to be so in other city forums, it's that the moderation here is mis-using the rules or mis-understanding the rules for self greed.

[Guest112113-3]

Originally Posted by Precious_b

Talked with some Hobbyist last night. And a Provider.
Unfortunately not all were around at the same time.
I don't know more than an iota of a Providers side of the fence except what little i've seen. But listening to her last night, made me open my eyes a bit. Nothing that I would doubt overall. And it is just one person. But still, it'd be nice to hear them here.

Thanks for listening as much as talking, theirs always three sides as we all refer to in life in every story. I totally agree that it will be nice to hear from them here. I think that will happen once they see that several of you locals are willing to listen and stand up.

Its oblivious that several of us outsiders have been able to vocalize and not be banned, I never have even been pointed, but expect to happen here by the SA God.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Malaya

All I will say is this. We, providers, are told time and time again that if we are in any kind of drama in the board it will be career suicide. Even if it's not drama we caused.

A few ladies know how to utilize drama threads to be seen and appreciated. They are not all career suicide. ladies are far more emotional then men, especially when being criticized, learn to check your emotions at the door before sitting at the computer and you could have some fun with drama threads.

All I will say is this. I don't think Mokoa is the issue completely. I don't think he is either. I think both Mods are the products of a community overly controlled by a smaller group for a lot of years....

I was once getting stalked and it was bad. Mokoa was able to calm me down and talk some sense into me. He is quite strict and I do think some of the rules need to be changed. Mainly ones that protect hobbyists more than providers (hiding hobbyist's info on alerts in the infoshare). I think Mokoa is a good person. He admits his faults and explains his reasoning. I remember once when I had gotten some violation that was completely uncalled for. I messaged him very irate and pointed out why it was uncalled for. He reversed it and apologized. I do have an issue with the other mod (unprofessional). Rules on the San Antonio board DO need to be changed though.

HERE is a misconception that many that have PMd me have shared.

The Board has ONE set of Guidelines. There are no rules for different areas, The Board is huge and The people at the top are few and if San Antonio has been culled into a herd of sheep then noone higher up thinks much of a few complaints here and there.

How Mokoa and JJ interpret those guidelines and apply the little bit of control they have is an interpretation THEY are making and as I read and see more and more I firmly believe that you guys are being treated like a bunch of kids by a couple of guys that think it's their job to keep everything nice and neat...... And there is a vocal group here that supports leaving it alone..

The reason I can post as I do in San Antonio is because I stay with those guidelines.

I asked Precious and I want the entire community that reads this to ask themselves..... If I was posting like Whispers...... what would have happened? Would I have received warnings? Would I have received points? IF you think you would have.... well.. Hey... You have a problem in the way your Mods are applying the guidelines to YOU.

YOU are not getting the freedom that most of the rest of the board enjoys.

Freedom of speech should definitely be allowed more than it is. I'm sure some of the worry is that people will make themselves look more like jackasses but you know what? That's a good thing!

Yes Mamm it is!

That way we can stay away from them. Providers need more rights on the board. Alerts in the info share shouldn't be censored. It's need to know information. Members should be able to be banned by their activities outside the board with other members (rape, stalking, etc) with proof of course.

That's a battle you can fight and never win.... I doubt this board will ever get involved in off the board issues.

There is also two sides to every story and I had no idea what this whole "debate" was about. Now I can't say for certain which "side" I'm on but some of the things do make sense. I also went and visited the Austin board and I rather like it. Although there are some things I don't agree with. I'm also wondering if Mokoa was told to be strict by someone higher? Perhaps he's following rules given to him and the issue is further up? I don't know how the board hierarchy works.

I highly doubt it. Mokoa and JJ are the products of a community that don't question what they are told. Power is intoxicating. They can both break a Provider in a variety of ways.... Taking an interest in her and following her around with comments in their threads for example.. Repetatively point someone into submission because they were questioned...

From experience here and many years of conversations the owners let the cities go in the directions they choose and seldom look in..... Here in San Antonio the Vocal Minority has control over the Scared Silent Majority.... Until enough voices like yours rise up you will continue to have that problem.

I, personally, would give free reign for the postings. ThreAds don't bother me but if you allow some then you must allow them all. Picking and choosing isn't right. As long as members aren't threatening, harassing, stalking, or doing things that will actually hurt someone then it should be allowed. Freedom of speech is way underrated here. Hobbyists AND providers should be allowed to speak without being censored. But they must also accept the consequences of their words. Mods should be professional and handle things without snide remarks or insults.

They are directed to do exactly that and in any case where you or anyone gets a warning or a point or simply direction from a Mod that adds something sarcastic RTM it and copy me. I have a lod voice and will make sure it gets heard!

Mods should only intervene when it becomes dangerous.

Providers need more rights and protection (from rape not words) on the board. Yes I said it. I've responded because I am in the "silent group". Whether or not this becomes career suicide then so be it. I responded as requested. I'm tired of being censored. I'm tired of being told that I shouldn't speak my mind or I will lose my clients. My clients KNOW me. They know I'm a great person and I don't personally like drama. I do think change is always good but just as long as it's done correctly. I don't like bashing others and I prefer to think everyone has a good heart (naive I know).

Whispers, you've made some good points. I just don't think Mokoa is the only problem. I think he's just doing what he's told. Just like Obama. I would definitely want to talk to the head mod of ECCIE to get the rules clarified. I would also start a "petition" to change the rules we do not like. And hopefully ECCIE is not like the US and will actually listen to their "citizens". If not...then perhaps starting a new website with the desired rules would be the next step.

I'm very curious to know what rules you're wanting changed, Whispers. I understand censorship but in which way? Would you want rights from Providers taken away? You seem to be very honest and I'm curious to your view point on Providers' rights.

Please forgive any misspellings or grammar errors. Still having cloudy thinking due to black mold.

Honey..... There are no rules needing to be changed.

The Board has Guidelines that work in every City throughout the US that there are people participating.

Here in San Antonio you simply have what we had in Austin a few years ago....

A group of men and women that have decided THEY know what is best for the community and what is best in their opinion is to shut up anyone that starts to question...... Your Mods seem to support that and frustrate many with their actions and it is unfortunate that you do not have a few people willing to challenge decisions....

The only thing that needs to be changed in San Antonio at the moment is the attitude of your Mod Staff and if they can't change they should get out of the way.

You NEED a new Mod that will tell the rank and file that is telling YOU to shut up to back off get out.

That is what it took in Austin..... We cleaned house......A small group of very vocal posters, Providers, Hobbyists and Mods, were shut down by stronger voices that were not letting them have their say any longer.

The Mods we have now are fair and stay out of most things letting the "adults" handle things between themselves.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by Malaya

All I will say is this. We, providers, are told time and time again that if we are in any kind of drama in the board it will be career suicide. Even if it's not drama we caused.

Anything a provider posts can help or hurt her business which is why I think complaining about threAds is usually silly. I think it is important to differentiate between the right to post in drama threads and the wisdom of it. Anyone has the right. It is not wise in many cases from a business perspective.

A good example would be how Tracy responded to SL and Whispers in prior threads. She was humorous and playful even when disagreeing. Others were a bit less tactful. I suspect that many raised their opinion of Tracy as a result. I know I did. While I was less impressed with some of the other comments. So being told not to continue drama is often a person looking out for you and not censorship. Another point is that it is also important how you respond to drama.

For hobbyists this is playtime. The reality is that as long as they have money there will be providers willing to take it. They can be assholes and get away with it. It is not fair, but it is reality. For providers this is business and you have to never forget that.

[Whispers]

Excellent assessment.

Tracy is a sharp and humorous young lady.

Originally Posted by Laz

Anything a provider posts can help or hurt her business which is why I think complaining about threAds is usually silly. I think it is important to differentiate between the right to post in drama threads and the wisdom of it. Anyone has the right. It is not wise in many cases from a business perspective.

A good example would be how Tracy responded to SL and Whispers in prior threads. She was humorous and playful even when disagreeing. Others were a bit less tactful. I suspect that many raised their opinion of Tracy as a result. I know I did. While I was less impressed with some of the other comments. So being told not to continue drama is often a person looking out for you and not censorship. Another point is that it is also important how you respond to drama.

For hobbyists this is playtime. The reality is that as long as they have money there will be providers willing to take it. They can be assholes and get away with it. It is not fair, but it is reality. For providers this is business and you have to never forget that.

[Guest112113-3]

Originally Posted by Laz

A good example would be how Tracy responded to SL and Whispers in prior threads. She was humorous and playful even when disagreeing. Others were a bit less tactful. I suspect that many raised their opinion of Tracy as a result. I know I did. While I was less impressed with some of the other comments.

For providers this is business and you have to never forget that.

I totally agree! I was a little strong on Tracy the other day when I told her that her TheAD was expressing to me that she was in my mind "HIGH VOLUME", all I was trying to reference that she needed to think how her TheAD was or might be taken.

I later PM her and apologized for being so direct with her, she accepted, I like LAZ believe that she handle the on front of the new thoughts being expressed in a good manner, but still expressing her views and thoughts.

[Ms. Milani]

Originally Posted by Laz

For hobbyists this is playtime. The reality is that as long as they have money there will be providers willing to take it. They can be assholes and get away with it. It is not fair, but it is reality. For providers this is business and you have to never forget that.

I wish it would go back to this for the whole board. I want it to be playful. All this negative energy is so sad Wish everyone could get along. Everyone is a person outside this board. We should respect that.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by Malaya

I wish it would go back to this for the whole board. I want it to be playful. All this negative energy is so sad Wish everyone could get along. Everyone is a person outside this board. We should respect that.

I would like world peace also but I doubt either one of us will get what we want. Accept it for what it is, use it to your benefit.

[ammonite]

My response to the 6 items in the 1st post on this thread:
1. No
2. Does not apply
3. No
4. Not really
5. Nope
6. Not that I know of

Honestly, I do not find these types of threads "entertaining", amusing, or useful. Annoying would most aptly describe them, in my opinion. My guess would be that the "silent majority" on the San Antonio Forum feels likewise, but I certainly could be mistaken about that.

[Laz]

Originally Posted by ammonite

My guess would be that the "silent majority" on the San Antonio Forum feels likewise, but I certainly could be mistaken about that.

So far the silence would indicate you are correct. However, I am glad they have been asked to speak up. All of this talk about behind the scenes PM's is annoying. Strap on some balls and speak up or stay silent. I am not picky about which.

[Guest112113-3]

Originally Posted by Laz

So far the silence would indicate you are correct. However, I am glad they have been asked to speak up. All of this talk about behind the scenes PM's is annoying. Strap on some balls and speak up or stay silent. I am not picky about which.

To both of you nothing is going happen overnight, this has been mentioned more times than oblivious you remember.

Are you guys wanting to continue with locking of threads, censorship of your posting, do you want the providers reluctant to speak, and you wanting the same old guys input and no one else's?

Ask yourself if that's what you want, the Mokoa (SA' God Moderator) dictatorship?

[Guest101314]

Can we have less yapping about trivial board shit and more fucking please??

[Hollywood101]

My only complaint is I had listed a pic in ad that showed a TINY shadow and was told the pic was removed because it showed a piece of my "hood", however, I blew the picture up and nothing was showing it was just a shadow. I did not get an infraction for this, just a warning. But, I noticed not even two days later another provider posted a full frontal pic in her ad, lips and all and the picture was allowed to stay up. Noticed the same provider with a new ad pic showing snatch again a week later and the picture was not removed. I will not name names, just do not like the unequal treatment in that area. No, I did not bring this to a mods attention because tattle telling around here gets you know where. It's just a suck it up and deal with it kind of thing unfortunately.