we'll figure it out later

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

NiceGuy53, it won't take long to realize you are wasting your time with CBJ7. He's been fully Obatamized. Don't expect any more from him than he is able to give, which is whatever the Obamatic Lie Machine feeds him.

We've all tried to work with him. He just refuses help.

Yes, debating with him is futile. It's like arguing with a 7 year old. LOL.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

Yes, debating with him is futile. It's like arguing with a 7 year old. LOL.

After receiving the President's budget request, Congress generally holds hearings to question Administration officials about their requests and then develops its own budget resolution. This work is done by the House and Senate Budget Committees, whose primary function is to draft and enforce the budget resolution. Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses.
The budget resolution is a "concurrent" congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto. It also requires only a majority vote to pass, and its consideration is one of the few actions that cannot be filibustered in the Senate.
The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year's resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect.

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the house passed "their" budget because the senate CAN NOT< BY LAW filibuster a single line in said budget

the HOUSE CAN< BY LAW filibuster every single item in a senate budget, and thats exactly whats been going on ... stalling the budget. The house has set record numbers for filibusters starting with the 110th congress, up until this very day, and are on pace to top last years fiflbuster record ...



mr niceguy, youre slobbering talking points and ignoring the facts.

[CuteOldGuy]

The President does not sign the budget if and when one is passed by Congress?

CBJ7, are you sure you copied and pasted from a reliable source?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The President does not sign the budget if and when one is passed by Congress?

CBJ7, are you sure you copied and pasted from a reliable source?

psssst

thats why its called a congressional budget resolution


here ya go lawdog ... bottom of the page... "our ruling"

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...d-pass-budget/


youre welcome.

Denny Crane.

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by CJ7

After receiving the President's budget request, Congress generally holds hearings to question Administration officials about their requests and then develops its own budget resolution. This work is done by the House and Senate Budget Committees, whose primary function is to draft and enforce the budget resolution. Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses.
The budget resolution is a "concurrent" congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto. It also requires only a majority vote to pass, and its consideration is one of the few actions that cannot be filibustered in the Senate.
The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year's resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect.

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the house passed "their" budget because the senate CAN NOT< BY LAW filibuster a single line in said budget

the HOUSE CAN< BY LAW filibuster every single item in a senate budget, and thats exactly whats been going on ... stalling the budget. The house has set record numbers for filibusters starting with the 110th congress, up until this very day, and are on pace to top last years fiflbuster record ...



mr niceguy, youre slobbering talking points and ignoring the facts.

CJ7 are you going to also admit that you are wrong about what you posted in this thread? Or do I need to repond to this last post with the same response that I posted in the other thread?

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

CJ7 are you going to also admit that you are wrong about what you posted in this thread? Or do I need to repond to this last post with the same response that I posted in the other thread?

its the exact post as the other .. I already said I stand corrected

pay attention

[NiceGuy53]

Yeah I know your post was the exact same post as in the other thread. You don't need to school me (like you try to school everyone) about that. But that was another thread and you needed to correct yourself in this thread also.

You also need to retract your statement that you handed me "my ignorant ass" in your "creating jobs" thread and it needs to be done in that thread. If you are going to tell someone on this board that you handed them their ass, you need to know what you are talking about and you need to be 100% correct.

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

look kids .. Obie has submitted a budget proposal every year, FACT. ... its not up to him to pass a budget, its the responsibility of congress .. the president of the us doesnt even have to sign a passed budget ...

Romney and Ryan finally decided they were on the same page.. really?

thats good ... now tell everyone which page and their intentions... thats what candidates running for potus do.

damn ya'll are thick ..

So, CBJ7, since Obummer has submitted a budget every year for the past four years, how come the Dimocrats didn't pass one, AS REQUIRED BY LAW, in either of his first two years, when he owned the House AND the Senate and could have passed anything he wanted to pass?

Seriously.

If you don't have the leadership to get your OWN people in line, why the bleep should you be hired to run the whole country?

[JD Barleycorn]

The important thing to remember is that the democrats controlled everything for two years and could not produce a budget. No excuse and illegal.

The key weakness in the original post is that Romney is not president yet and is not required to show a budget. That is Obama's job as long as he has it.
The GOP stalled the budget talks??? Take this old, bearded lie to bed. As already stated, the democrats controlled everything for two years. The GOP had NO power to stop a budget. Budget bills cannot be filibustered and only require a simple majority vote in the senate.

Of course we know that Ryan has produced a budget when the entire democratic party could not. That budget passed more than one house vote.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

Yeah I know your post was the exact same post as in the other thread. You don't need to school me (like you try to school everyone) about that. But that was another thread and you needed to correct yourself in this thread also.

You also need to retract your statement that you handed me "my ignorant ass" in your "creating jobs" thread and it needs to be done in that thread. If you are going to tell someone on this board that you handed them their ass, you need to know what you are talking about and you need to be 100% correct.

tell ya what ... next time you show up I'll redeaux the entire post change 1 word, add 1 link .. deal?

will you run like a cockroach, or tell everyone your head is sipnning from the facts

[NiceGuy53]

So you are saying that I ran like a cockroach because I did not immediately respond to your absurd statement that by law the House can filibuster the Senate budget process. Dude, really, are you serious? I told you in your "creating jobs" thread, after you falsely claimed that you handed me my ass on this issue, that I would get back to you later and that unlike you I do have another life besides being on this board all the time. And I did say that my head was still spinning because of that absurd statement. So I did point out that your statement was ridiculous at that time. Like the House can filibuster anything. LMAO. I was also biding my time, giving you more time and rope to hang yourself. And you did big time. After, it was pointed out to you that there is no filibuster in the House by another poster (which BTW most high school civic students would know), you then changed your tune and said it was the Senate Republicans who were filibustering the Senate budget process. Well, you were dead wrong on both accounts. I was simply waiting for the right moment to spring the trap door.

CJ7, I am simply asking you to correct all of your false statements. I am trying to help you by giving you the opportunity to restore some of your credibility on this board. Consider it an intervention.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

So you are saying that I ran like a cockroach because I did not immediately respond to your absurd statement that by law the House can filibuster the Senate budget process. Dude, really, are you serious? I told you in your "creating jobs" thread, after you falsely claimed that you handed me my ass on this issue, that I would get back to you later and that unlike you I do have another life besides being on this board all the time. And I did say that my head was still spinning because of that absurd statement. So I did point out that your statement was ridiculous at that time. Like the House can filibuster anything. LMAO. I was also biding my time, giving you more time and rope to hang yourself. And you did big time. After, it was pointed out to you that there is no filibuster in the House by another poster (which BTW most high school civic students would know), you then changed your tune and said it was the Senate Republicans who were filibustering the Senate budget process. Well, you were dead wrong on both accounts. I was simply waiting for the right moment to spring the trap door.

CJ7, I am simply asking you to correct all of your false statements. I am trying to help you by giving you the opportunity to restore some of your credibility on this board. Consider it an intervention.

deal


before and corrected ............

After receiving the President's budget request, Congress generally holds hearings to question Administration officials about their requests and then develops its own budget resolution. This work is done by the House and Senate Budget Committees, whose primary function is to draft and enforce the budget resolution. Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses.
The budget resolution is a "concurrent" congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto. It also requires only a majority vote to pass, and its consideration is one of the few actions that cannot be filibustered in the Senate.
The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year's resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect.

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the house passed "their" budget because the senate CAN NOT< BY LAW filibuster a single line in said budget

the HOUSE CAN< BY LAW filibuster every single item in a senate budget, and thats exactly whats been going on ... stalling the budget. The house has set record numbers for filibusters starting with the 110th congress, up until this very day, and are on pace to top last years fiflbuster record ...

just the facts



After receiving the President's budget request, Congress generally holds hearings to question Administration officials about their requests and then develops its own budget resolution. This work is done by the House and Senate Budget Committees, whose primary function is to draft and enforce the budget resolution. Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses.
The budget resolution is a "concurrent" congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto. It also requires only a majority vote to pass, and its consideration is one of the few actions that cannot be filibustered in the Senate.
The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year's resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect.

`````````````


the house passed "their" budget because the senate CAN NOT< BY LAW filibuster a single line in said budget

the SENATE CAN< BY LAW filibuster every single item in a senate budget, and thats exactly whats been going on ... stalling the budget. The house has set record numbers for filibusters starting with the 110th congress, up until this very day, and are on pace to top last years fiflbuster record ...

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm


from the above protocol .. and a key element

"Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses"

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by CJ7

deal


before and corrected ............

After receiving the President's budget request, Congress generally holds hearings to question Administration officials about their requests and then develops its own budget resolution. This work is done by the House and Senate Budget Committees, whose primary function is to draft and enforce the budget resolution. Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses.
The budget resolution is a "concurrent" congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto. It also requires only a majority vote to pass, and its consideration is one of the few actions that cannot be filibustered in the Senate.
The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year's resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect.

`````````````


the house passed "their" budget because the senate CAN NOT< BY LAW filibuster a single line in said budget

the HOUSE CAN< BY LAW filibuster every single item in a senate budget, and thats exactly whats been going on ... stalling the budget. The house has set record numbers for filibusters starting with the 110th congress, up until this very day, and are on pace to top last years fiflbuster record ...

just the facts



After receiving the President's budget request, Congress generally holds hearings to question Administration officials about their requests and then develops its own budget resolution. This work is done by the House and Senate Budget Committees, whose primary function is to draft and enforce the budget resolution. Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses.
The budget resolution is a "concurrent" congressional resolution, not an ordinary bill, and therefore does not go to the President for his signature or veto. It also requires only a majority vote to pass, and its consideration is one of the few actions that cannot be filibustered in the Senate.
The budget resolution is supposed to be passed by April 15, but it often takes longer. Occasionally, Congress does not pass a budget resolution. If that happens, the previous year's resolution, which is a multi-year plan, stays in effect.

`````````````


the house passed "their" budget because the senate CAN NOT< BY LAW filibuster a single line in said budget

the SENATE CAN< BY LAW filibuster every single item in a senate budget, and thats exactly whats been going on ... stalling the budget. The house has set record numbers for filibusters starting with the 110th congress, up until this very day, and are on pace to top last years fiflbuster record ...

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm


from the above protocol .. and a key element

"Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses"

First off, FYI, I had to step away from the computer to take care of some family obligations. Just so you won't think I was running away from your last post like a cockroach, like you implied earlier.

CJ7, I simply wanted you to retract your statement on your "creating jobs" thread where you made the "I handed you your ignorant ass" statement (when just the opposite happened.) You had already admitted your were wrong on 1 thread and acknowledged it on another thread, after I asked you to do so. But not before you had to try to school me and tell me I needed to pay attention. You are the very last person on this board, who should be telling anyone to pay attention. LOL.

So now it seems that you are back to claiming that the Senate Republicans did indeed stall the budget process in the Democrat controlled Senate through the filibuster. Is this what you are now saying? Sounds like you cannot make up your mind. You have changed your story so many times. What part of the following do you not understand. The filibuster in the Senate cannot be used on budget bills. All it takes for the Senate to pass a budget is a simple majority vote. Here are some links that hopefully will finally convince you that you are wrong. (But I somehow doubt it. LOL)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...1z8Q_blog.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-budget-requi/

These are not links from right wing pundits, but from the Washington Post and PolitiFact.com.

I just looked at your corrected statement again and in one sentence you say that the Senate cannot by law filibuster the budget. And then in the next paragraph, first sentence, you repeat your mistaken claim that the Senate can filibuster the budget process and that is exactly what the Republicans are doing, delaying the budget process. You have contradicted yourself in your "corrected" statement. It is obvious that you don't know what the hell you are saying. Dude, I am done here. This post should put this matter to bed once and for all. I am not wasting any more of my time debating this issue with someone like you who has their head all the way up in their ass. See ya later.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by NiceGuy53

First off, FYI, I had to step away from the computer to take care of some family obligations. Just so you won't think I was running away from your last post like a cockroach, like you implied earlier.

CJ7, I simply wanted you to retract your statement on your "creating jobs" thread where you made the "I handed you your ignorant ass" statement (when just the opposite happened.) You had already admitted your were wrong on 1 thread and acknowledged it on another thread, after I asked you to do so. But not before you had to try to school me and tell me I needed to pay attention. You are the very last person on this board, who should be telling anyone to pay attention. LOL.

So now it seems that you are back to claiming that the Senate Republicans did indeed stall the budget process in the Democrat controlled Senate through the filibuster. Is this what you are now saying? Sounds like you cannot make up your mind. You have changed your story so many times. What part of the following do you not understand. The filibuster in the Senate cannot be used on budget bills. All it takes for the Senate to pass a budget is a simple majority vote. Here are some links that hopefully will finally convince you that you are wrong. (But I somehow doubt it. LOL)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...1z8Q_blog.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-budget-requi/

These are not links from right wing pundits, but from the Washington Post and PolitiFact.com.

I just looked at your corrected statement again and in one sentence you say that the Senate cannot by law filibuster the budget. And then in the next paragraph, first sentence, you repeat your mistaken claim that the Senate can filibuster the budget process and that is exactly what the Republicans are doing, delaying the budget process. You have contradicted yourself in your "corrected" statement. It is obvious that you don't know what the hell you are saying. Dude, I am done here. This post should put this matter to bed once and for all. I am not wasting any more of my time debating this issue with someone like you who has their head all the way up in their ass. See ya later.

the senate cant challenge the house .. pay attention ..lol

I digress ..

simply put, I made a mental error and typed house rather than senate .. much like you typed later and meant to type time on another thread .. we're all human and make mistakes.

if you want to follow me around and point out I made a human mistake, after I took responsibilty for said misatke thats fine with me ... however IMO, it sheds an insecure light on you inasmuch as you seem to be insisting on some reaffirming victory of sorts.


that said, if youd care to dispute the senate filibusters (see the link) that stalled the legislative process for the last 3 years, feel free to provide credible evidence that counters congressional emperical records rather than sniff my ass and yammer talking points in the interim.

[NiceGuy53]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the senate cant challenge the house .. pay attention ..lol

I digress ..

simply put, I made a mental error and typed house rather than senate .. much like you typed later and meant to type time on another thread .. we're all human and make mistakes.

if you want to follow me around and point out I made a human mistake, after I took responsibilty for said misatke thats fine with me ... however IMO, it sheds an insecure light on you inasmuch as you seem to be insisting on some reaffirming victory of sorts.


that said, if youd care to dispute the senate filibusters (see the link) that stalled the legislative process for the last 3 years, feel free to provide credible evidence that counters congressional emperical records rather than sniff my ass and yammer talking points in the interim.

Oh WOW! I don't know why I am even bothering responding to you (yes I said I was done here) but I can not let you get away with what you just did in your last post. I will agree that you that the first part was an honest mistake. But now it sounds like you are changing your story yet once again. In your "corrected" previous post you said that the Senate can by law filibuster budget bills but now you are changing that to senate filibusters have stalled the "legislative process". I have no argument with you there. But do you see what you just did. You changed your post yet again. Do you know the difference between regular senate bills and a senate budget bill? Obviously not. Or was that just another mental error on your part? Do you even read your own posts? And again you are telling me to pay attention. That is beyond comical. That is really sad on your part. And I have every bit of a right to respond to any post as anyone else on this board. I have other things to do. See ya.