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[UB9IB6]

Originally Posted by Laz

By exercising his free speech rights he demonstrated he was an idiot. I suspect if he was a valuable employee they would have ignored his actions and stated his free speech rights to explain them not firing him. I would be willing to bet he was someone they wanted to get rid of and this just gave them the opportunity to do so.

He should have remembered the saying it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I suppose most any employer would have canned someone who conducted themselves in such a manner. If they knew about it and it was a possible image liability . My employees understand that they represent their company on and off duty and that we expect that they act accordingly.
If a tech driving one of my vehicles acted that way. And I knew about it...
He or she would be mopping bathrooms into perpetuity .

My conduct here on this SHMB is not an accurate reflection on a RL level.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Laz

By exercising his free speech rights he demonstrated he was an idiot. I suspect if he was a valuable employee they would have ignored his actions and stated his free speech rights to explain them not firing him. I would be willing to bet he was someone they wanted to get rid of and this just gave them the opportunity to do so.

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I suspect you are correct Laz.

Originally Posted by WTF

As do you...

So free speech is really up to who you work for?

And I suspect that COG will not understand my factual point. He will yet again call me an idiot for pointing out the reality in a situtation.

Originally Posted by UB9IB6

I suppose most any employer would have canned someone who conducted themselves in such a manner. If they knew about it and it was a possible image liability . My employees understand that they represent their company on and off duty and that we expect that they act accordingly.

Originally Posted by UB9IB6

If a tech driving one of my vehicles acted that way. And I knew about it...
He or she would be mopping bathrooms into perpetuity .

My conduct here on this SHMB is not an accurate reflection on a RL level.

Should you be fired for posting on here?

Originally Posted by WTF

So free speech is really up to who you work for?

And do you understand how stupid these people are that kept crying about it being a free speech issue? It is about who you work for issue. If you work for a person that let's you speak your mind you have a bit of free speech , I suppose.

I personally think Kris K got it right when he wrote this line in Bobby MaGee, "Freedom just another word for nothing left to lose...''

Think about it COG and get back with us before you hurl an insult.

[UB9IB6]

Only If I fire myself.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

And I suspect that COG will not understand my factual point. He will yet again call me an idiot for pointing out the reality in a situtation.

I would never point that you are an idiot for pointing out the reality of anything. At least I don't think so. You have yet to understand the reality of anything, so I can't be sure.

The only reason I would ever call you an idiot, is because you are an idiot.

Happy now? Idiot.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by UB9IB6

Only If I fire myself.

So the CEO can be a hypocrite in this country but no lil workers!

Freedom of Speech indeed!

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I would never point that you are an idiot for pointing out the reality of anything. At least I don't think so. You have yet to understand the reality of anything, so I can't be sure.

The only reason I would ever call you an idiot, is because you are an idiot.

Happy now? Idiot.

The reality is, you think folks that do not think like you are idiots and they think the same of you.


You seem a tad quicker to hurl insults though...

[CuteOldGuy]

You have no comprehension of what freedom of speech means, do you, WDF? It is a prohibition placed on Congress by the Constitution, and applied to the states by the 14th Amendment. It does not mean that employers have to allow their employees to say whatever they want.

Again, I'll ask. Would you let your employee promote a competitor? Would you let an employee berate a customer? Would you let an employee damage your brand or reputation?

Are you understanding the difference now, or are you willfully remaining ignorant?

You have the right for your speech to be protected from government interference. Others can choose for themselves how they will react to your speech. They can refuse to listen, or they can listen, and alter their behavior toward you based on what you say. In fact, if you piss off your boss, you will likely get fired. Some would say that is the reason most people get fired. Employers rarely fire people who do their job and comply with comply standards.

You are really showing yourself to be an ignorant, obtuse moron this time WDF.

[UB9IB6]

Originally Posted by WTF

So the CEO can be a hypocrite in this country but no lil workers!

Freedom of Speech indeed!

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave!

Yes. If you own it, You can.

Besides. My true ID is not known. Your point sucks.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

The reality is, you think folks that do not think like you are idiots and they think the same of you.


You seem a tad quicker to hurl insults though...

Well, I can't say for certain that people who don't think like me are idiots. I've met a lot of people who hold different views, and many are thoughtful and intelligent. Not many of those here.

But I can say with a great deal of certainty that people who agree with me are generally NOT idiots.

And I'm sorry if the insult hurt your feelings. I know how civil you tend to be.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You have no comprehension of what freedom of speech means, do you, WDF? It is a prohibition placed on Congress by the Constitution, and applied to the states by the 14th Amendment. It does not mean that employers have to allow their employees to say whatever they want.

Again, I'll ask. Would you let your employee promote a competitor? Would you let an employee berate a customer? Would you let an employee damage your brand or reputation?

Are you understanding the difference now, or are you willfully remaining ignorant?

You have the right for your speech to be protected from government interference. Others can choose for themselves how they will react to your speech. They can refuse to listen, or they can listen, and alter their behavior toward you based on what you say. In fact, if you piss off your boss, you will likely get fired. Some would say that is the reason most people get fired. Employers rarely fire people who do their job and comply with comply standards.

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Originally Posted by WTF

And I suspect that COG will not understand my factual point. He will yet

So yet again....Freedom of speech depends on a big part of who you work for. That is the reality old man.
Nobody needs a 7th grade Civics lesson from you, you old Coot, coulda ya lighten up on the Jr High crap?

Originally Posted by WTF

Think about it COG and get back with us before you hurl an insult.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You are really showing yourself to be an ignorant, obtuse moron this time WDF.

Just can't help yourself can ya old man?

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Again, I'll ask. Would you let your employee promote a competitor? Would you let an employee berate a customer? Would you let an employee damage your brand or reputation?

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You are asking three different questions...but the jist is this.

What an employee did on their off time is not my business. That is how I roll. If you want to fire your employee's for what they do on their free time have at it. We are different in that regard, Thank God!

So on my dime I would not let them 'promote a competitor', 'berate a customer' or 'damage your brand or reputation'.

What they do off the clock is their business. That includes driving thur Chic Fil A and acting like a fool. They are not doing it in my name!

But then I am not a hypocritical Freedom spouting Liberty screaming fuc'n Control Freak like you and UB9IB6!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by UB9IB6

Yes. If you own it, You can.

Besides. My true ID is not known. Your point sucks.

Admitting you are a hypocrite/control freak is the first step...

[CuteOldGuy]

Freedom of speech applies only to government restrictions, and those vary depending on the type of speech. The only speech ostensibly unencumbered by government is political speech. The government has placed restrictions on advertising, and other forms of non-political speech. The SCOTUS has deemed these restrictions constitutional. Not that SCOTUS is always right, but that is the state of the law at this time.

There are a few restrictions on what an employer can or cannot require of an employee, and what grounds may be used to terminate an employee. Generally, most employees are "at will" employees, which means that the employer doesn't need a reason to terminate them. That's the way it should be. If you don't like the restrictions that an employer places on your behavior, find a different job. You have no right to have a particular job. When you work for someone, you have already given up a bunch of your rights. You allow your employer to tell you when to come to work, when to go home, when you can take vacation, when you can go to lunch, etc. And if the employer thinks that something you do on your off hours will hurt the business, the employer can terminate you. If you decide to knock over a liquor store after work, the employer may think such an action will reflect negatively on the business. If you decide to be an asshole and berate a fast food service employee for something over which she has no control, and then post that video on You Tube, your employer may fire you. "Hey, that asshole in the video, does he work for you?" "Well, uh, yeah he does." "You know, I thought that was a classless thing to do. I think I'll go to Company B across the street to do business with. I don't like associating with people like the kind you have working for you."

That has not a goddam thing to do with freedom of speech. Sorry, but those of you who think it does, really don't know what you're talking about.

[UB9IB6]

Originally Posted by WTF

Admitting you are a hypocrite/control freak is the first step...

So.. You're posting in a SHMB . Would you be upset if your daughter or son was found to be an active member or provider.
If it upsets you... You'd be a hypocrit also.

Yeah, I'm a hypocrit.. What's your point?

[Little Stevie]

Chick-fil-A practices plenty of discrimination on its own. This lawsuit cost them a pretty penny and all because they insisted on making the Muslim guy pray in Jesus Christ's Name.

http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_stories/49360/houston-chick-fil-a-sued-by-employee
He says he was fired from his job at a Houston Chick-fil-A restaurant a day after he refused to pray to Jesus Christ during a training session in November 2000.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by UB9IB6

Yeah, I'm a hypocrit.. What's your point?

That was it...