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[GP]

Originally Posted by rooster69

I am not offended that they would want something more, like photo ID or place of work. But I'm not ever providing that. And I will not get angry if they will not see me because of it.

[Gentleman Jack]

Originally Posted by rooster69

This is all pretty simple for me. I use ECCIE, and I only see people that I have met on here or who know other people that I know on here.

The main reason is because of what JB said earlier - you cannot predict how someone will behave in the future. So I will never give any identifiable personal info to anyone in the "hobby." No exceptions.

With this site, I can figure out who I want to see and then approach them. Many times, just being known on here is good enough, along with a reference or two. If someone needs more than that.... I just don't need to see them that badly.

I know it is not that easy for Providers. They get approached by people who are not from ECCIE or are not otherwise known, and they have to be careful while making a living. I am not offended that they would want something more, like photo ID or place of work. But I'm not ever providing that. And I will not get angry if they will not see me because of it.

Ladies, ladies, ladies,

There is no need to keep explaining why you ask the question. I thought that was obvious. My question to the guys was, should it be asked (and I agreed you can ask anything you desire) and should it be answered. I actually expected the opposite response but it seems that many that answered my question would not answer yours. Ultimately, it is your choice whether or not to ask and our choice whether or not to answer. After reading all the comments, I'm glad I made the choice not to provide that information. It is just that, my choice.

I think Rooster69 sums it up perfectly. I agree with every word.

Thank you to all who responded with logic and without venom.

ms elizabeth, to answer your question, I was not unconcerned about providing my license and passport. I was trying to meet her halfway. After reading the responses from the guys, I will not provide it in the future. I was not offering a scan but the originals. Your points are all valid. But if I had access to fake passports, I'd probably have a way to provide false employment. Is LE really that interested in this? I assumed not. Anita says they have participated with certain providers in order to get references to target a specific provider. It seems to me that would be highly illegal. However, you guys know a lot more about it than I do. I would hope they'd have bigger fish to fry and use my considerable tax dollars on much higher priorities.

Can we all agree that some will ask and some won't? Some will answer and some won't? It's a free country!

[ms_anika]

GJ...establishing yourself here by writing reviews of local verified providers (or by receiving "OK's" from them on P411) really is the easiest way to prevent this issue for you.

Obviously, it's a bit of a catch-22 and you might have to spend the time and money seeing a provider or two that you don't really want to see so you can establish yourself before seeing the one(s) you really do want to see. This could be counterproductive for you however as providers who do screen often will not see gentlemen who are known to see providers who are lax about screening, if they do so at all.

A personal referral from the client of a provider vouching for you would go a long way too. But again, you need to already know that person. I would certainly hope that one member wouldn't vouch for another member whom they didn't personally know.

Alternatively, you might just have to reconsider your unwillingness to furnish your employer information. I suspect as you continue your search you are going to find that most, if not all providers of a certain standard are going to want employer information from someone who is not established.

Whatever you decide, best of luck and stay safe...

Elizabeth

Ps. In response to "trying to meet her halfway" I would advise you to never attempt to negotiate with a provider, even if it is just on her screening or scheduling procedures and not her rate. Doing so is second only to mentioning sexual activity as the fastest way to stop receiving replies from her. If her screening requirements are listed and are more than you are willing to give then keep looking. If not, and she tells you them and you are unwilling then a simple "I'm sorry, that is more than I am willing to divulge. Have a nice day." will suffice. Anything else is just a waste of time for the both of you.

[Guest091813]

actually by you saying you met her halfway..you actually didnt..all a dl says about you is..your name and perhaps your legal to drive..and a passport shows you can drive or fly outa the country...and why would a provider need to know if you can get in or outa the country? Or even care?

No offense however it helps in exactly

"Nothing" as far as your employment in making her feel comfortable..

it also kinda confirms to me that you really dont care if this girl ends up in jail or not..due to the fact your not attempting to show your not le..but only that you can get outa the country...

and knowing you wont give out any work info to a provider while screening shows the rest of the providers that do screen she didnt screen you..

...and when you contacted the provider who im quite sure gave you all her requirements knows any lady you see from here on out didnt screen you. no matter how many reviews you have here..

.why..cuz you were so very adamant about not giving her the info she required..or maybe you say you did..however at any rate..

I bet if you were to go back to provider "A"...to see her...
..expect she will ask for screening info from you again regardless who the provider is that is going to vouch for you..because if you gave that info to provider "B" (supposedly)
you wont have any problem showing it to provider "A"

A provider that screens.. in talking with you or 'B" lady will know if you gave up work info or not..


anyways...goodluck..

and jack..thanks for the shout out..however..he is adamant on only meeting a girl half way when he should be cool with making her feel as comfortable as he can when coming into her place...

[SweetElizabeth]

Originally Posted by ms_elizabeth

GJ,

2. to confirm that you are not LE.
...

Originally Posted by anita germane

actually...

it also kinda confirms to me that you really dont care if this girl ends up in jail or not..due to the fact your not attempting to show your not le.....

Notice how "confirm you are not LE" keeps coming into play...

We ladies can't screen for safety. (barring a few blacklist sites)
If a man gets rough with us or decides it's our day to die, then it is...

Originally Posted by Gentleman Jack

Anita,

Do you seriously think that someone from LE would participate with other providers (and not bust them) so that they will supply references to another provider so he could bust THEM specifically? Defies logic. ....

Actually, I FIRMLY believe this. I could see a lady getting busted and cutting a deal in exchange for
setting up more busts
not alerting on a review posted by a cop
or providing a reference at a screening site.

I have refused clients who have seen reputable ladies. Not all references are good references.

Additionally, just because he's a cop, doesn't mean he wouldn't take the service first. There are documented accounts of this happening, although I don't have any handy links to whip out.

Originally Posted by ms_elizabeth

GJ,

I would not accept a scan or cell phone pic of someone's license or passport. ?

A funny story for you:
When Grad students visit, I require transcripts (amongst additional items.)

With an apparent recent break in college activities, I received a weeks worth of strange inquiries.

One person e-mailed a picture of an envelope that said transcript on the return address. lol

The real funny part was that I opened it on my cell phone, and it downloaded the picture. OVER 500 times!!!!

Damn!

[vern0064]

[QUOTE=Gentleman Jack;2893347]ms elizabeth,

Second, I did offer both my NYS driver's license and my passport in order to prove my identity.

You state that someone else will simply take my place. True enough. However, someone will take hers as well.


Jack, Well since you dont want to provide the proper info you could always use your hand!!! LOL

[Lexxxy]

I pay close attention to cities all over and other boards because I travel so much. I know from talking with Ladies that have been busted that LE has shown fake licenses, fake passports, fake pay stubs, fake utility bills, and fake business cards. I have been following the news on a huge bust in Cleveland where a Cleveland sex crimes unit officer had several references with several providers that he didn't arrest in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Erie. He went to parties in Cleveland and Pittsburgh for over a year. He was photographed smiling looking straight into the camera at parties (I even have one of him). He participated within the hobby for a year under cover then at a HUGE Cleveland PRIVATE party he busted it. Every girl that he had seen and that he had used as references within the last year got arrested AFTER the raid.

[wantsome]

Originally Posted by Lexxxy

I pay close attention to cities all over and other boards because I travel so much. I know from talking with Ladies that have been busted that LE has shown fake licenses, fake passports, fake pay stubs, fake utility bills, and fake business cards. I have been following the news on a huge bust in Cleveland where a Cleveland sex crimes unit officer had several references with several providers that he didn't arrest in Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Erie. He went to parties in Cleveland and Pittsburgh for over a year. He was photographed smiling looking straight into the camera at parties (I even have one of him). He participated within the hobby for a year under cover then at a HUGE Cleveland PRIVATE party he busted it. Every girl that he had seen and that he had used as references within the last year got arrested AFTER the raid.

Well this pretty much says that no screening is perfect and if you are engaged in the hobby, either as a provider or a consumer, you are taking a risk of getting busted. You may be able to lessen the risk through some type of screening, but a sting is always a possibility.

Isn't this true with all aspects of what we are doing? You can limit your exposure to LE, health risks, robbery, or anything else that could potentially happen. But we all take a risk every time we set up an appointment. We all weigh the rewards versus the risks and our individual comfort level determines what we do.

Just as Lex has heard of experiences of providers getting busted, I have heard of hobbiest getting busted. I have mentioned this story before, but its worth repeating. On another site I participate we had a lady that was one of the regulars. Many people considered her an ATF and she was on the board frerquently...very similar to some of the ladies we have here. Well one day she totally turned and started writing posts that were threatening to guys she had long standing "friendships" with. Before you knew what was happening she used the info that was gathered through reference checks to out guys with family and employers.

I now do as much as I can to limit my exposure and look at the hobby as nothing more than getting my rocks off.

[Lexxxy]

Around election times there are always a bunch of busts that just get dropped for lack of evidence and entrapment. These busts are just used for the media to make a politician look good in the papers for "cleaning things up". I have asked to see licensees and what not so I KNOW who I am dealing with for MY personal safety. If some LE has a fake ID made at a DMV okay, you got me. If some Joe Shmoe has a fake ID made by some college kid I can spot it a mile away.
The moral of the story? Just get screened or move on to some risky tail with a record already that probably doesn't screen anyone. If you are seeing well known Ladies you have nothing to worry about with screening. Some Ladies have been doing this for 15 years without a single problem.
We all take risks by being in this hobby, we are all aware of that.

[JONBALLS]

i just call bp chicks, hit the few tugs, cop a feel here and there at the AC...its all good

[Gentleman Jack]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I can't believe you're still trying to sell it. I was simply asking the guys a question. It seems I have my answer. I trusted my instincts at the time and their responses only confirm my decision. I was just looking to have a little fun, not get waterboarded...LOL. I am reminded of the song "True Colors".

Okay, by my count:

3 ladies require the work info.
7 men refuse to give it.
1 man seems on the fence.
1 man is willing to give it.

Obviously this is a small percentage of participants but interesting nonetheless.




[QUOTE=vern0064;2906893]

Originally Posted by Gentleman Jack

ms elizabeth,

Jack, Well since you dont want to provide the proper info you could always use your hand!!! LOL

Vern, although that may be YOUR only alternative to paying for it, I suspect that is not true for everyone here as it is not true for me.



Lexxxy,

Pleeeeeeeeeze change your pic, it's driving me crazy!



wantsome,

VERY well said.

In fact, this discussion got me thinking. I've already figured out a very simple way for LE to defeat the work thing. We already have the technology in our office. All it would take is a company friendly to LE (lots) and about 10 minutes to set it up. The SP would feel safe and never know what happened.



As I've said several times, we all have choices to make. I'm very comfortable with the choice I made.


THANK YOU to the guys that PMed me with your thoughts and REFERRALS, That was a bonus that I wasn't expecting! I've already made an appointment. Thanks again.

[cowboy8055]

I wouldn't have a problem giving work info to one of the verified providers on this site. I think you can trust the ladies that voiced their opinion on this thread. I wouldn't give over my driver's license or passport. That's too much. And I wouldn't give any info to a BP gal I know nothing about. I guess it comes down to what one is willing to do to see a high quality provider.

Lexxxy's pic drives me nuts too. Grrrrrrrr

[jackfengshui]

There are inherent risks associated with this activity. Any measure to reduce risks also reduces the number of potential providers/clients. Each of us has to decide where to strike that balance.

[Lexxxy]

Sorry to go off topic but what shall I change it to?

[ms_anika]

Originally Posted by Gentleman Jack

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I can't believe you're still trying to sell it. I was simply asking the guys a question. It seems I have my answer. I trusted my instincts at the time and their responses only confirm my decision. I was just looking to have a little fun, not get waterboarded...LOL. I am reminded of the song "True Colors".

Okay, by my count:

3 ladies require the work info.
7 men refuse to give it.
1 man seems on the fence.
1 man is willing to give it.

Obviously this is a small percentage of participants but interesting nonetheless.

I only counted 3 men who refused to give ID or employer info.

In fact, this discussion got me thinking. I've already figured out a very simple way for LE to defeat the work thing. We already have the technology in our office. All it would take is a company friendly to LE (lots) and about 10 minutes to set it up. The SP would feel safe and never know what happened.

Doubtful.

Not speaking for everyone, but if you gave me your employer info and you have only worked there a short time and my google-fu doesn't give me any previous employer/business related info associated with your name I would be suspicious...

What I think far more plausible is one or more LE agents infiltrating an internet message board and over the course of a few months to a year attempting to establish themselves though postings and maybe even meeting one or more members who have credibility who would then be willing to vouch for them.

THANK YOU to the guys that PMed me with your thoughts and REFERRALS, That was a bonus that I wasn't expecting! I've already made an appointment. Thanks again.

Make sure you write a review!

I'm sure all the other women who replied to you in this thread (as well as the one you originally tried to "meet halfway") would love to know who the indiscriminate provider in Rochester is.