Confused about Trump's actions yesterday

[bambino]

Zelensky’s debacle is not just the end of Ukraine. This is the beginning of the end of NATO.

If Trump cuts off all funding to Ukraine, the world is about to quickly realize that NATO is nothing without the US.

Without the threat of the US MIL and access to US taxpayer money, NATO becomes SUBSTANTIALLY less powerful, and arguably irrelevant when compared to nuclear superpowers like Russia and China. Without the threat of the US MIL and our nuclear capabilities, NATO loses all value. Their security ‘guarantees’ would become next to useless.

If the US, under new management from Trump, were to abandon NATO, the globalist war machine would lose their ability to operate, and would eventually cease to exist.

Pictured below are the current stats on NATO spending. Without the US, NATO is nothing. We don’t need them. They need us.

https://t.me/bioclandestine/4692

[HDGristle]

Funny. Seems like Trump being an unreliable, transactional, Putin apologist cuck is more likely to be the beginning of the end of NATO

Like taking shots at our allies and blowing up his own deals over high school power dynamics. Zelensky the latest after he was an embarrassing ass in front of Macron and Starmer, too

[bambino]

Zelensky’s contributions to Ukrainian Democracy

https://x.com/frankfurter420a/status...165100617?s=42


Great guy!!!!!!!!!

[nomad1000!]

Trumps consistent, everyone knew he’s an asshole and a creep but many of his beliefs w regards to the libs bending over backwards for the illegal immigrants, more worried about convicts rights over that of law abiding citizens, bending over backwards for the 1-2 percent transgender crowd over that of the rest of USA citizens….this is why he won the election, people wanted America to be America again, for the law abiding citizens rights to be honered over the scum riff raff ect.

All that said, Trump has a man crush on Putin much as hitler had for Mussolini, dictator to dictator (I’m not saying trump is as bad as hitler, just saying similarities are right in front of everyone’s face). Any excusing Russia’s invasion into Ukraine as justified is a fool, do you believe Russia was worried they were about to be invaded? Their lifestyles were going to be ravaged by Ukraine? That’s a frickin joke, they grabbed land in 2014 and got away with it, I’m shocked it took Putin that long for another land grab.


So w trump, he’s exactly what I figured he’d be…good and bad. The good is good but the bad has a shitload of risk, losing most allies and losing the dollar (surely can happen if Europe and others actually band together where world currencies become fragmented markets…

One other predictable trump move has been surrounding himself w the rich, yes men and the other asshole creep musk. Russian, German history w dictators have followed the exact playbook, where everything done was for the benefit of these small clicks to enrich themselves, monopolize businesses in their countries, drown out real competition w unfair legal charges, unfair bidding, the playing field will be tilted towards this small clicks in every aspect. You will musk getting more and more contracts, already starting w the soon to be starlink contract taken away from Verizon and handed to musk…just the beginning. Laughed when I read the fcc charges rec by a couple agents w ties to musk vs Snapchat new A1 product, god forbid competition for X, even the commissioner called it a farce that these agents went behind backs not following protocol to rec this action to the justice vs Snapchat. This is only a month in, just the beginning.

Lastly these cuts and savings by doge? This won’t trim deficit, 90 percent of new found monies will be diverted to the top 3 percenters via tax cuts and pet projects. It will be paid for by everyone else.

Mark this, we’ll read this again in a couple years and I believe I’ll be pretty spot on.

Trump is predictable!

[nomad1000!]

And btw, Ukraine is and always was a corrupt country for most part, I’m not an Ukraine apologist, but they certainly weren’t threatening Russia in any form, even if they loomed nato there’s been absolutely no threats to Russia or their citizens…you don’t invade a sovereign country and scorch earth it unless they’ve threatened you which certainly never happened, truth of the matter is they took crimnea so easily w out ramifications they decided to push a false narrative and take more land.

[Don Stephens]

OK, Bam,I did watch that video clip of Jeffrey Sachs. Proves how complicated international diplomacy is and how unqualified I am to judge what is right and what is wrong in that arena.
But what stands out for me, assuming that Putin's invasion was to protect the GeoPolitical security of Russia against NATO, is the cruelty of his military actions - targeting civilians, cultural institutions (churches, museums, etc), kidnapping children and taking them to Russia (this was reported to happen - I certainly hope it is not true). How can such cruelty be justified if this was only a GeoPolitical action by Putin to make his point.

[HDGristle]

That's the point, Don. It can't. The Sachs clip is a pretextual rationalization.

And it can't be rewarded, shouldn't be ignored and needs to be addressed if there's any hope for a lasting peace.

That's Zelensky's point. He knows the atrocities and horrors that Putin unleashed in places like Bucha. And how many lives he has thrown into the grinder to continue his aggression against Ukraine.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by bambino

Zelensky’s debacle is not just the end of Ukraine. This is the beginning of the end of NATO.

If Trump cuts off all funding to Ukraine, the world is about to quickly realize that NATO is nothing without the US.

Without the threat of the US MIL and access to US taxpayer money, NATO becomes SUBSTANTIALLY less powerful, and arguably irrelevant when compared to nuclear superpowers like Russia and China. Without the threat of the US MIL and our nuclear capabilities, NATO loses all value. Their security ‘guarantees’ would become next to useless.

If the US, under new management from Trump, were to abandon NATO, the globalist war machine would lose their ability to operate, and would eventually cease to exist.

Pictured below are the current stats on NATO spending. Without the US, NATO is nothing. We don’t need them. They need us.

https://t.me/bioclandestine/4692

... NATO was already shittin' their knickers before this.

Now it's really bad... ... ....

##### Salty

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... NATO was already shittin' their knickers before this.

Now it's really bad... ... ....

##### Salty

Really? Please explain ?

[Jacuzzme]

Why is it so hard to admit the obvious after a years long stalemate? Russia is going nowhere without America forces, on the ground and in the air. It comes down to that, ceding eastern Ukraine, or continuing to let bodies pile up and burning American taxpayer dollars.

Option A is unthinkable, quite possibly leading to the end of civilization as we know it. Option C is nearly as bad but at least not Americans. The only real solution is option B, which was how it was always going to end no matter how much hardware the US wastes- has wasted on an unwinable war we should’ve never got involved in in the first place. It’s just cold, hard reality. You can keep denying what’s been obvious to the clear thinking for years, and waste even more blood and treasure, but it’s how it will end, now or after wasting more lives futilely trying to convince yourself otherwise.

[bambino]

Zelensky is done. They are calling for his impeachment in Ukraine. He used a war powers act to cancel elections and install himself as a dictator. Those war powers have expired. He’s a dead man walking.

https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/02/...nt-of-zelensky

Don’t say I didn’t tell you so.

[bambino]

Uh oh, Zelensky had friends advising him, and now they are all fooked.

https://t.me/BoldSpearElmerFudd/195195

[Jacuzzme]

Can these people get any dumber?

[Charley3]

Originally Posted by nomad1000!

Trumps consistent, everyone knew he’s an asshole and a creep but many of his beliefs w regards to the libs bending over backwards for the illegal immigrants, more worried about convicts rights over that of law abiding citizens, bending over backwards for the 1-2 percent transgender crowd over that of the rest of USA citizens….this is why he won the election, people wanted America to be America again, for the law abiding citizens rights to be honered over the scum riff raff ect.

All that said, Trump has a man crush on Putin much as hitler had for Mussolini, dictator to dictator (I’m not saying trump is as bad as hitler, just saying similarities are right in front of everyone’s face). Any excusing Russia’s invasion into Ukraine as justified is a fool, do you believe Russia was worried they were about to be invaded? Their lifestyles were going to be ravaged by Ukraine? That’s a frickin joke, they grabbed land in 2014 and got away with it, I’m shocked it took Putin that long for another land grab.


So w trump, he’s exactly what I figured he’d be…good and bad. The good is good but the bad has a shitload of risk, losing most allies and losing the dollar (surely can happen if Europe and others actually band together where world currencies become fragmented markets…

One other predictable trump move has been surrounding himself w the rich, yes men and the other asshole creep musk. Russian, German history w dictators have followed the exact playbook, where everything done was for the benefit of these small clicks to enrich themselves, monopolize businesses in their countries, drown out real competition w unfair legal charges, unfair bidding, the playing field will be tilted towards this small clicks in every aspect. You will musk getting more and more contracts, already starting w the soon to be starlink contract taken away from Verizon and handed to musk…just the beginning. Laughed when I read the fcc charges rec by a couple agents w ties to musk vs Snapchat new A1 product, god forbid competition for X, even the commissioner called it a farce that these agents went behind backs not following protocol to rec this action to the justice vs Snapchat. This is only a month in, just the beginning.

Lastly these cuts and savings by doge? This won’t trim deficit, 90 percent of new found monies will be diverted to the top 3 percenters via tax cuts and pet projects. It will be paid for by everyone else.

Mark this, we’ll read this again in a couple years and I believe I’ll be pretty spot on.

Trump is predictable!

This!!!

My only disagreement is Doge. Doge (or something like it) is going to help cut wasteful spending. The phrase “must be a govt job” became a phrase for a reason. The problem is Musk is a little nuts and I can see Doge being used as a political threat to democrats. We will see.

[HDGristle]

Solidarity with an ally not named Vlad. Trump should try that sometime. The bully and bluster blew up his deal.

Seems intentional. Especially given how he touted the deal and the talks. How he started dialing back ahead of it and then just started from the jump with the bully barbs. Took JV to really put the spoiler into motion though because that's where it really went off the rails.