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11-14-2024, 08:12 PM
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Clinton, Obama, and Biden have made recess appointments.
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11-14-2024, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jacky S
Is it Hitler or Fascist?
It can be confusing at times.
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Obviously a lot of these things are confusing.
Enjoy the win. But frankly is not like the last time, when he tried to build a government that would work and then fired all the smart ones.
This time, he’s going straight to plaid. And you poor MAGAS will hve to make excuses for this piece of shit criminal for another year and a half. I predict he’ll die of some kind of medical issue in a 18 months.
Even shit decomposes after all.
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11-14-2024, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by txdot-guy
It may not matter. Trump is pushing the senate to defer their judgment in favor of his by allowing recess appointments.
From VOX.
President-elect Donald Trump is pushing for the next Senate majority leader to allow recess appointments, which would allow him to install some officials without Senate confirmation.
Typically, the Senate must approve presidential nominations for high-level posts, including cabinet positions, ambassadorships, and inspector general jobs, in a process outlined in the US Constitution. This procedure is meant to be a check on presidential power — a way of ensuring officials directly elected by citizens can guard against the appointment of unqualified or corrupt personnel.
The Constitution, however, also allows for “recess appointments,” a provision that aims to prevent prolonged government vacancies by allowing the president to install officials without Senate approval while Congress is not in session.
Using such recess appointments, Trump would be able to appoint whoever he’d like without giving the Senate the opportunity to question or object to the pick. Critics of the practice note that it increases the risk of unqualified, corrupt, or ideological appointees filling government posts. It also significantly expands presidential power.
Reinstating recess appointments “would essentially negate one of the Senate’s main roles in governance, which is to vet presidential nominations for high-level positions,” Peverill Squire, a political science professor at the University of Missouri, told Vox. “It would, if the Republicans in the Senate were willing to go along with it, represent sort of an abdication; they would be simply giving up the power that’s afforded them.”
Trump injected his demand into the fierce race to replace Sen. Mitch McConnell as the leader of the Senate, which will be under GOP control next session thanks to the results of last week’s election. Trump largely stayed out of that contest while on the campaign trail, but he waded into it on Sunday, writing on X, “Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!)”
The three candidates for the position — Sens. John Thune (South Dakota), John Cornyn (Texas), and Rick Scott (Florida) — quickly expressed support for Trump’s demand. Scott, the underdog in the race who is also the closest Trump ally of the three, was the most explicit in his endorsement of the plan, writing “100% agree. I will do whatever it takes to get your nominations through as quickly as possible,” on X.
Read the full article here: https://www.vox.com/politics/384356/...cornyn-cabinet
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... Thanks for posting this, mate.
It's a fair-minded explanation.
#### Salty
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11-15-2024, 05:16 AM
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Brinksmanship 101
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Originally Posted by txdot-guy
It may not matter. Trump is pushing the senate to defer their judgment in favor of his by allowing recess appointments...
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Actually, I think it works backwards. The President has the Constitutional power, but the Senate has to leave a enough people in place, i.e. at work, to make it not technically in recess, which would be akin to poking them in the eye. Surely the Dems would do that to a GOP President, but not their own, if they were in the majority - but they ain't.
Quote:
Originally Posted by txdot-guy
From VOX.
President-elect Donald Trump is pushing for the next Senate majority leader to allow recess appointments, which would allow him to install some officials without Senate confirmation.
Typically, the Senate must approve presidential nominations for high-level posts, including cabinet positions, ambassadorships, and inspector general jobs, in a process outlined in the US Constitution. This procedure is meant to be a check on presidential power — a way of ensuring officials directly elected by citizens can guard against the appointment of unqualified or corrupt personnel.
The Constitution, however, also allows for “recess appointments,” a provision that aims to prevent prolonged government vacancies by allowing the president to install officials without Senate approval while Congress is not in session.
Using such recess appointments, Trump would be able to appoint whoever he’d like without giving the Senate the opportunity to question or object to the pick. Critics of the practice note that it increases the risk of unqualified, corrupt, or ideological appointees filling government posts. It also significantly expands presidential power.
Reinstating recess appointments “would essentially negate one of the Senate’s main roles in governance, which is to vet presidential nominations for high-level positions,” Peverill Squire, a political science professor at the University of Missouri, told Vox. “It would, if the Republicans in the Senate were willing to go along with it, represent sort of an abdication; they would be simply giving up the power that’s afforded them.”
Trump injected his demand into the fierce race to replace Sen. Mitch McConnell as the leader of the Senate, which will be under GOP control next session thanks to the results of last week’s election. Trump largely stayed out of that contest while on the campaign trail, but he waded into it on Sunday, writing on X, “Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!)”
The three candidates for the position — Sens. John Thune (South Dakota), John Cornyn (Texas), and Rick Scott (Florida) — quickly expressed support for Trump’s demand. Scott, the underdog in the race who is also the closest Trump ally of the three, was the most explicit in his endorsement of the plan, writing “100% agree. I will do whatever it takes to get your nominations through as quickly as possible,” on X.
Read the full article here: https://www.vox.com/politics/384356/...cornyn-cabinet
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11-15-2024, 05:20 AM
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Mean tweets are b-a-a-a-ck
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Originally Posted by VitaMan
...From above, a President elect who has already started God level trolling.
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Well... that's coming from a Democrat, so there is that. I wonder if Xwitter is gonna censor Trump's mean tweets?
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11-15-2024, 05:47 AM
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The Grey Knight
Join Date: Apr 12, 2009
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Forcing the Senate into recess I don’t believe has been tried before, so no one knows if that tactic would work.
I read yesterday on one of the news outlets that a law was passed that requires the Senate to be in recess 10 days before the president can make recess appointments. If the Senate reconvenes even on an informal basis (not a full agenda IIRC) the clock stops.
So, it appears Trump could be on shaky ground if he tries to force the issue without cooperation from the Senare. As of yesterday Thune was noncommittal on the subject.
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11-15-2024, 09:42 AM
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The dictator has arrived.
"Typically, the Senate must approve presidential nominations for high-level posts, including cabinet positions, ambassadorships, and inspector general jobs, in a process outlined in the US Constitution.
This procedure is meant to be a check on presidential power — a way of ensuring officials directly elected by citizens can guard against the appointment of unqualified or corrupt personnel.
It also significantly expands presidential power."
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11-15-2024, 12:07 PM
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Break away
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Originally Posted by TinMan
Forcing the Senate into recess I don’t believe has been tried before, so no one knows if that tactic would work...
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Merry Christmas anyone? They take a few long breaks in the year.
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11-15-2024, 12:09 PM
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WWHD?
But he is Hitler incarnate?!? So What Would Hitler Do?
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Originally Posted by VitaMan
The dictator has arrived.
"Typically, the Senate must approve presidential nominations for high-level posts, including cabinet positions, ambassadorships, and inspector general jobs, in a process outlined in the US Constitution.
This procedure is meant to be a check on presidential power — a way of ensuring officials directly elected by citizens can guard against the appointment of unqualified or corrupt personnel.
It also significantly expands presidential power."
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11-15-2024, 12:40 PM
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Considering that the recess appointment clause was enacted at a time when the primary mode of transportation was the horse and carriage and death from sickness and injury was more prevalent it seems to me that it’s intended purpose was to continue the functioning of the government at a time when it was more difficult to convene the Senate in a timely manner.
In other words, if the Senate recesses on purpose simply to give the president a free pass, then they are abdicating their power and responsibility to their constituents in favor of the Presidents will.
If they do that then they might as well just get him a crown and anoint him King of America.
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11-15-2024, 12:45 PM
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This will make America great again ?
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11-15-2024, 01:03 PM
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The Grey Knight
Join Date: Apr 12, 2009
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Regarding recent history when the Senate wants to avoid recess appointments (from todays Wall Street Journal):
“Lately the Senate’s custom has been to gavel in pro forma sessions every few days during its breaks, even if most people are out of town, to deny the President any opening for recess appointments. The Supreme Court upheld this in NLRB v. Noel Canning (2014).“
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11-15-2024, 01:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacky S
Is it Hitler or Fascist?
It can be confusing at times.
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Hitler was a fascist...that help?
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11-15-2024, 01:51 PM
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FTFY
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Originally Posted by VitaMan
Brylcreem will make America great again?
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It's bi-partisan too!
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11-15-2024, 02:14 PM
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Join Date: Jan 3, 2010
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So now we have to manage Brylcream, Maybelline and Preparation H?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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