Just to be clear, no new laws from the Senate or House are needed to stop the invasion at the border

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Jacuzzme

Anyone who sues an entity to REMOVE obstacles to illegal immigration, wants illegal immigration to continue. The current legislation is nothing more than a way to try’n deflect the blame, because they’re finally realizing is a huge electoral issue, which all clear thinking people know lies firmly at the feet of Biden’s puppet masters. Biden could seal the border tomorrow, with nothing beyond laws already in place, but refuses to do so. There’s a reason for this, and everyone knows what it is.

For sure its a political football and a problem. I also don't think that the solution is as easy as enact or use the existing border laws and policies or executive orders. The asylum laws in this country are VERY specific and have serious limitations on the shutting down of points of entry ; but have some legal teeth to stop certain amounts of entries from a variety of countries etc. IE: IF there are disproportionate amount of guatamalians, coming here, we could close it to them as a class, but in general, there are many groups who have sued to overturn those limits succesfully. That's why new legislation is required.

and Executive order is kicking the can down the road. No president should be the sole dictator of legal actions relative to immigration- as it will be undone by the next administration that has a different perspective. I think Biden see's this as a potential easy win, since not many GOP bills have made it through congress and lets face it- they need to show a few more things, beside looking at Hunters laptop, girly pics, and the Matt Gaetz funky bunch who threw out the SOH.

It could be a win also for the GOP who can say they worked on a bill of meaningful legislation vs. nothing. It may not be a win for Trump, but it would be a win for GOP members also who need to keep in office. In the greater good of things, - if they don't, the 2024 election could be simply that the GOP didnt do anything to help create a solution. That won't be good for those in jeopardy of losing - in districts like NYC and other purple districts.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

For sure its a political football and a problem. I also don't think that the solution is as easy as enact or use the existing border laws and policies or executive orders. The asylum laws in this country are VERY specific and have serious limitations on the shutting down of points of entry ; but have some legal teeth to stop certain amounts of entries from a variety of countries etc. IE: IF there are disproportionate amount of guatamalians, coming here, we could close it to them as a class, but in general, there are many groups who have sued to overturn those limits succesfully. That's why new legislation is required.

and Executive order is kicking the can down the road. No president should be the sole dictator of legal actions relative to immigration- as it will be undone by the next administration that has a different perspective. I think Biden see's this as a potential easy win, since not many GOP bills have made it through congress and lets face it- they need to show a few more things, beside looking at Hunters laptop, girly pics, and the Matt Gaetz funky bunch who threw out the SOH.

It could be a win also for the GOP who can say they worked on a bill of meaningful legislation vs. nothing. It may not be a win for Trump, but it would be a win for GOP members also who need to keep in office. In the greater good of things, - if they don't, the 2024 election could be simply that the GOP didnt do anything to help create a solution. That won't be good for those in jeopardy of losing - in districts like NYC and other purple districts.

Once again:

First, the Immigration and Nationality Act gives Senile Biden the authority to suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

Second, the Border was controlled using existing laws and policies under President Trump. It wasn't until Senile Biden made an executive order overriding those laws and policies did the border become wide open

Third, the House already passed a real border security bill - HR2. It was passed nearly a year ago. Schumer and the Democrats in the Senate have refused to act on it. That is on the Democrats

[Jacuzzme]

I agree with B^2. If Trump could slow illegal immigration to a trickle with executive power and existing laws so can Biden. He won’t do it tho, because his handlers don’t want it. New legislation is only designed to give democrats an excuse to blame others for something wildly unpopular that they’re clearly responsible for.

[berryberry]

Opening the border was literally a Day 1 priority for Senile Biden. He’s not interested in securing the border, only shifting blame.

January 20th, 2021:

—Border wall immediately defunded
—Emergency Declaration withdrawn
—Deportation of illegal aliens paused
—Remain In Mexico policy terminated
—Termination of all safe third agreements, exempting families and **** from T42 (and then ending T42 entirely),
—Also ended immigration prosecutions,
—Also ended third country transit ban, ending HARP & PACR,
—Also ended interior Mexican repatriation flights.

The tale of the tape is even longer than this. Senile Biden and the Dems are desperate. No language changes or new law will ever change their open borders DNA.

He has all the tools he needs to close the border TODAY.

[eyecu2]

executive orders is a temporary solution. Plain and simple. And I don't think the Immigration and Nationality Act- doesn't give the power that you think it does; There are limits on many things, but that act was to ensure that there wasn't a quota bias against certain minorities, and to target the the amount of visa's etc. to be in a "fair distribution". It isn't as clear as I think you are trying to make it:

From the National Immigration Law Center-
the focus of the act is for:

Anti-discrimination
Prohibits unfair documentary practices, citizenship or immigration status discrimination, and national origin discrimination in hiring, firing, and recruiting. The INA also prohibits national origin discrimination against any worker with permission to work in the United States.
Abolition of quotas
The INA abolished quotas and created a preference system based on immigrants' skills and family relations with citizens or U.S. residents. The INA of 1965 eliminated national origin, race, and ancestry as a basis for immigration.
Entry
The INA covers entry through or from foreign territory and adjacent islands. It also covers the designation of ports of entry for aliens arriving by aircraft, inspection by immigration officers, and expedited removal of inadmissible arriving aliens.
Understanding English
The INA includes requirements as to understanding the English language, history, principles, and form of government of the United States.
Prohibition of naturalization
The INA prohibits the naturalization of persons opposed to government or law, or who favor totalitarian forms of government.
Improper entry
The INA prohibits attempts to enter or obtain entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact.

It also says-

What power does the president have to act on immigration issues?

As chief executive, the president not only has the duty to enforce laws, but also the authority to decide how to do so.  Every law enforcement agency, including the agencies that enforce immigration laws, has “prosecutorial discretion” — the power to decide whom to investigate, arrest, detain, charge, and prosecute. Agencies may develop discretionary policies specific to the laws they’re charged with enforcing, the population they serve, and the problems they face. 

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) may decide how to prioritize its resources in order to meet its stated enforcement goals.  Executive authority to take action is thus “fairly wide,” .
1 The Supreme Court has emphasized the federal government’s “broad discretion,” which includes consideration of “immediate human concerns.”2

Additionally stated that the Executive branches broad and wide reaching authority to enact LAWS or given consideration for immediate human concerns. BUT, it really is NOT a full authority to change existing border laws or do anything but declare by executive order a temporary change.

AS I stated prior, - The idea was that with the amount of immigrants coming in, both congress and the President want to augment the laws that are specific to the existing situation so that it's not simply a POTUS declaration and a bi-partisan one.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

executive orders is a temporary solution. Plain and simple. And I don't think the Immigration and Nationality Act- doesn't give the power that you think it does;

Multiple Senators and Congressmen and lawyers disagree with you

Originally Posted by eyecu2

BUT, it really is NOT a full authority to change existing border laws or do anything but declare by executive order a temporary change.

So you do admit Senile Biden needs no additional law to stop the flow at the border completely effective tomorrow? Because President Trump did and Senile Biden reversed all of those EOs and policies.

An EO can remain in place as long as no other President revokes it. So it can indeed be more than a temporary change

Originally Posted by eyecu2

The idea was that with the amount of immigrants coming in, both congress and the President want to augment the laws that are specific to the existing situation so that it's not simply a POTUS declaration and a bi-partisan one.

No, the Democrats and Senile Biden want to codify amnesty and allowing over 2 million illegals annually in before even considering starting any enforcement action. And that is IF Senile Biden again refuses to enforce the laws of the land

But if you really think a new law should be passed - tell Senile Biden and Chuck Schumer to get off their ass and pass HR2 which the House passed nearly a year ago and has been sitting in the Senate waiting for them to act

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Multiple Senators and Congressmen and lawyers disagree with you



So you do admit Senile Biden needs no additional law to stop the flow at the border completely effective tomorrow? Because President Trump did and Senile Biden reversed all of those EOs and policies.

An EO can remain in place as long as no other President revokes it. So it can indeed be more than a temporary change



No, the Democrats and Senile Biden want to codify amnesty and allowing over 2 million illegals annually in before even considering starting any enforcement action. And that is IF Senile Biden again refuses to enforce the laws of the land

But if you really think a new law should be passed - tell Senile Biden and Chuck Schumer to get off their ass and pass HR2 which the House passed nearly a year ago and has been sitting in the Senate waiting for them to act

This is the 3rd time I've mentioned this: of course an EO can do something- but the choice of "fixing" the border through EO's is a temporary one, and despite the comments that hype up what a POTUS can do, it's temporary at best, and it is limited in regards to asylum seekers also. Biden said he wants a Bill to sign that fixes the issues at the border and asked for both parties to send him one. - In order to stop all the EO rigmarole.

Not saying that something can happen via EO, but that it's always been a temp solution vs. the issue that the border / immigration and asylum is messed up and needs addressed.

I am certain that congress has it's own opinions as do attorneys' all of whom seem to have a political slant. I think it's time to get both parties to work for the common cause of the country in this case and interest.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

of course an EO can do something- but the choice of "fixing" the border through EO's is a temporary one

It's only temporary until some moron like Senile Biden gets in as President and reverses the EOs that were in place and controlling the border

If Senile Biden did not reverse those EO's we would not have the crisis at the border.

And I will repeat myself for a 3rd time - if Senile Biden wants a new border law passed, all he has to do is tell Chuck Schumer and the Democrat losers in the Senate to pass HR2 - which was passed by the House nearly a year ago and waiting for the Senate to approve

[berryberry]

Just to be clear, nothing has changed in the last week that would prevent Senile Biden to enforcing the laws and stopping the invasion at the border.
No new laws from the Senate or House are needed in order for Senile Biden to do his job