The leading cause of death in the United States last week was cardiac arrest

[sportfisherman]

You actually believe we have had a few Covid deaths and that "Coincidentally" we have had a "Huge" uptick in deaths from DM,HTN,etc.?

And these deceased individuals "Coincidentally" had Covid as an attendant factor ?

Are you in Fantasyland now or just got back ?

We definitely do not get our info from Trump or any of his Trumper's bullshit rap.

We are always going to hold Trump accountable (blame him) for what he is Responsible for.

No excuses from him.No explanations from him.

[eccieuser9500]

Error

[eccieuser9500]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Anyone who pretends to be a "writing critic" on a hooker board blog really has begun their "career" on the low rung of the "critic" ladder that is characterized primarily by the I-Don't-Give-A-Fuck crowd of writers ... and who also lack the substantive knowledge to remark about the knowledge and understanding imparted.

In short: Get a Life!

And if that is "complaining" by your definition... check the mirror!

Are you annpyed, sir?

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Pure unadulterated stupidity.

DF is right - unless the vaccines hastens the level of her immunity and stops the virus - masks and social distancing only slow the virus - it is inexorable.



thank you, 0b0 - for your usual total nonsense based on complete lack of any expertise or information - other than your DPSY Socialist narrative.



One thing for sure - what ever 0b0 recommends - the opposite is the prudent action to take.



is obo looking at pics of clinton in his blue dress when he posts ????

enquiring minds want to know!

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by Tiny

That was sarcasm eccieuser, directed at no one in particular.

There's a belief out there that most people who died of Covid actually died from something else, like obesity, hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular diesease, or, most significantly, old age. The Covid just accelerated the process a little. Also deaths that are called Covid are really pneumonia. So I was just taking that reasoning one small step further, and saying they all died of cardiac arrest.

Admittedly, you're not going to see as many years of life lost because of Covid, which mostly kills older people, as something like the Spanish flu. Still there are a lot of years lost to the disease. I read recently some researchers were estimating Covid would knock close to year off of the average life expectancy of males alive in Sweden today.

Another fallacy, some believe Covid is no worse than the flu, and that only maybe 10,000 or 20,000 people have died from it. The hospitals have been calling deaths from other causes Covid-related to make more money. I don't understand this reasoning at all. If you compare the total number of deaths in the USA this year to past years, it's obvious that a lot of people have died because of Covid, and the estimates we're reading for Covid deaths aren't terribly far off.

Tiny - the basic universal immediate cause of death is 'cardiac arrest" - that is the criteria physicians use to pronounce death in almost all cases. ( some brain deaths excepted).
And Wuhan virus infection can cause cardiac arrest - and exacerbate other underlying disease processes to cardiac arrest - particularly in high-risk patients.

Your post is a bit simplistic in making your point.

Realisticaly - with the financial incentives for hospitals to attribute deaths to wuhan virus, and the fact that we do not have reliable false positive or false negative numbers on any of the many tests sold in america - the numbers are so conflicted with variables as to be meaningless - IMHO.



Basically - Good sir - you are arguing semantics of medical terminology. With very shaky data that would not pass muster of any good statistician.



Unless, perhaps, 9500 would like to prove a point and volunteer to become an organ donor.


As far as the push to get a vaccine out - Clinton would never have risen from her gin bottle to accomplish anything.

Regardless - be careful about demanding a vaccine out before it meets safety and efficacy standards,

Thalidomide is an example - it was never released in the US because the FDA refuse approval - and its teratogenic effects were seen in other countries - a FACT widely unknown.

what happens if the vaccines have major and severe complications in a high percentage of recipients???? Blame FDA - that is what happens, and the Vaccine Injury Fund will be overwhelmed.

yes, - we all want out from under the autocratic lockdown ASAP - and get our economy back . We went about this backward from the start - should have sheltered the at risk and let all others go their way with no restrictions. That is retrospect - which is always 20/20. Still - the DPST autocrats do relish their exercise of control.



IMHO



9500, the j''s , and the rest of the DPST crew is welcome to scream their indoctrinated narrative now.

[HoeHummer]

Holy shit Oebsy! I’ve sure missed your squealing.

Why did you hide from the American election? A whole month, eh?

Courageous, aren’t you good buddy!

LOLLING

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by HoeHummer

Holy shit Oebsy! I’ve sure missed your squealing.

Why did you hide from the American election? A whole month, eh?

Courageous, aren’t you good buddy!

LOLLING

youse not true canadjun!

[oeb11]

Thanks to the usual nonsense of yr/mm/mm/hh/the usual socialist marxist multiple handles!

[1blackman1]

Idiot Oeb decided to return and crawl out from under his rock or his aunts basement. Interesting. Same lack of cogent posts though. Guess you finally stopped holding your breath for that Trump win. Didn’t you promise to leave ECCIE if Trump lost as a bet.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Tiny

....

Another fallacy, some believe Covid is no worse than the flu, and that only maybe 10,000 or 20,000 people have died from it. The hospitals have been calling deaths from other causes Covid-related to make more money. I don't understand this reasoning at all. If you compare the total number of deaths in the USA this year to past years, it's obvious that a lot of people have died because of Covid, and the estimates we're reading for Covid deaths aren't terribly far off.

Strange how you didn't bring up how Top Experts estimated an additional 2 million Americans would be dead because of COVID back in February.

Originally Posted by LexusLover

I suspect you later modified your conclusions (or speculation). From a "medical-scientific" perspective one also DOES NOT die of "obesity, hypertension, diabetes, cardiovascular diesease (sic), or, old age" any more than they "die" of Covid-19.

Those conditions cause the failure of a vital organ (or organs) that are necessary for the human body to continue functioning. Like the heart or brain. Sugar and elevated blood pressure destroys the kidneys, which "cleanse" the blood supply of lethal impurities. Etc.

The current affairs (over the past 10 months of 2020) have created an "agenda" and/or "narrative" that lends itself to making Covid-19 a "killer" and Trump the creator of the lethal condition that resulted in all of those deaths. It became not only politically advantage to hang that around Trump's neck, but financially beneficial to assign Covid-19 as a "cause" of hospitalization and death by the health care facilities which improved their fiscal wellbeing. At the same time the destruction of the U.S. economy by shutting down businesses and supporting services and activities also benefitted those who were unable to remove Trump from office beginning the day after he was elected until this past January.

If you don't believe me, watch Bitten-Kumola-Obaminable take credit for "curing" all those "infected" U.S. residents and ending the "pandemic" with their "unequaled leadership"! (It will be "ok" to take the vaccine!!)

After all ... those three amateurs had all the world's problems solved when Trump took office ... right?

I've been asking for months what the Progressives and Dims would do that President Trump didn't do. Nothing concrete, just "do it better" or "provide leadership." When some reply "More lockdowns" their own Shhhh! them.

Originally Posted by Tiny

They will undeservedly take a good part of the credit for Operation Warp Speed. And since the vaccines are what's going to end this epidemic, yes, overall, Biden will get the credit. That's one thing that Trump & Team did right. I don't think a Hillary Clinton Administration would have pushed a vaccine through the FDA bureaucracy so quickly and worked as well with the private sector.

If the Trump Administration had brought the same foresight and energy to PPE and Covid tests as it did to vaccines, Trump wouldn't be a one term president.

If the Dims and the media wouldn't have harped on "Russia!" and tried to impeach him for 4 years, he wouldn't have been a one term President. Their election cheating didn't hurt either.

Originally Posted by oeb11

Tiny - the basic universal immediate cause of death is 'cardiac arrest" - that is the criteria physicians use to pronounce death in almost all cases. ( some brain deaths excepted).
And Wuhan virus infection can cause cardiac arrest - and exacerbate other underlying disease processes to cardiac arrest - particularly in high-risk patients.

Your post is a bit simplistic in making your point.

Realisticaly - with the financial incentives for hospitals to attribute deaths to wuhan virus, and the fact that we do not have reliable false positive or false negative numbers on any of the many tests sold in america - the numbers are so conflicted with variables as to be meaningless - IMHO.



Basically - Good sir - you are arguing semantics of medical terminology. With very shaky data that would not pass muster of any good statistician.



Unless, perhaps, 9500 would like to prove a point and volunteer to become an organ donor.


As far as the push to get a vaccine out - Clinton would never have risen from her gin bottle to accomplish anything.

Regardless - be careful about demanding a vaccine out before it meets safety and efficacy standards,

Thalidomide is an example - it was never released in the US because the FDA refuse approval - and its teratogenic effects were seen in other countries - a FACT widely unknown.

what happens if the vaccines have major and severe complications in a high percentage of recipients???? Blame FDA - that is what happens, and the Vaccine Injury Fund will be overwhelmed.

yes, - we all want out from under the autocratic lockdown ASAP - and get our economy back . We went about this backward from the start - should have sheltered the at risk and let all others go their way with no restrictions. That is retrospect - which is always 20/20. Still - the DPST autocrats do relish their exercise of control.



IMHO



9500, the j''s , and the rest of the DPST crew is welcome to scream their indoctrinated narrative now.

Good to see you back oeb. Your opinion is always welcomed

[oeb11]

G- Thank you - good sir!

[oeb11]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Idiot Oeb decided to return and crawl out from under his rock or his aunts basement. Interesting. Same lack of cogent posts though. Guess you finally stopped holding your breath for that Trump win. Didn’t you promise to leave ECCIE if Trump lost as a bet.

Thank u - 0b0 - u r blinded by hatred and marxist Socialist indoctrination.

Go ahead and hate all u wish - it is self-destructive and bothers me not.

Every post U make - readers see your unmitigate Hatred of any thing not Hannah-Jones.
so take her advice - go to highland Park Tx and commit 'non-violence" - and see what your marxist, socialist brand of Hannah-Jones racism results are.

so Sad - to waste a life in hatred when One could actually contribute to peaceful advancement of America as a whole.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

Strange how you didn't bring up how Top Experts estimated an additional 2 million Americans would be dead because of COVID back in February.

I've been asking for months what the Progressives and Dims would do that President Trump didn't do. Nothing concrete, just "do it better" or "provide leadership." When some reply "More lockdowns" their own Shhhh! them.

If the Dims and the media wouldn't have harped on "Russia!" and tried to impeach him for 4 years, he wouldn't have been a one term President. Their election cheating didn't hurt either.

Good to see you back oeb. Your opinion is always welcomed

The estimates of 2 million deaths due to COVID-19 was based on the assumption that NOTHING was done -- no shut downs or school closings, no requiring of mask wearing/social distancing/no hand washing. The majority of the people in this country have accepted the limitations put on their lives and followed recommendations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/u...-estimate.html

I have said before that I believe Trump's Operation Warp Speed was a definite positive, although Pfizer did not participate and was the first out the door with a vaccine. What I think Trump should have done differently was push the wearing of masks and social distancing instead of trying to be macho-man and holding rallies and functions where people seemingly contracted the COVID-19 virus. I do think Governors such as Abbott in Texas are acting appropriately and shutting down or limiting certain businesses such as bars and restaurants when deemed appropriate.

[winn dixie]

Trump left it up to each State to Govern. As it should be.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Tiny - the basic universal immediate cause of death is 'cardiac arrest" - that is the criteria physicians use to pronounce death in almost all cases. ( some brain deaths excepted).
And Wuhan virus infection can cause cardiac arrest - and exacerbate other underlying disease processes to cardiac arrest - particularly in high-risk patients.

Your post is a bit simplistic in making your point.

Realisticaly - with the financial incentives for hospitals to attribute deaths to wuhan virus, and the fact that we do not have reliable false positive or false negative numbers on any of the many tests sold in america - the numbers are so conflicted with variables as to be meaningless - IMHO.



Basically - Good sir - you are arguing semantics of medical terminology. With very shaky data that would not pass muster of any good statistician.



Unless, perhaps, 9500 would like to prove a point and volunteer to become an organ donor.


As far as the push to get a vaccine out - Clinton would never have risen from her gin bottle to accomplish anything.

Regardless - be careful about demanding a vaccine out before it meets safety and efficacy standards,

Thalidomide is an example - it was never released in the US because the FDA refuse approval - and its teratogenic effects were seen in other countries - a FACT widely unknown.

what happens if the vaccines have major and severe complications in a high percentage of recipients???? Blame FDA - that is what happens, and the Vaccine Injury Fund will be overwhelmed.

yes, - we all want out from under the autocratic lockdown ASAP - and get our economy back . We went about this backward from the start - should have sheltered the at risk and let all others go their way with no restrictions. That is retrospect - which is always 20/20. Still - the DPST autocrats do relish their exercise of control.



IMHO



9500, the j''s , and the rest of the DPST crew is welcome to scream their indoctrinated narrative now.

Oeb, I disagree. Excess deaths this year over past years show that the estimated number of deaths caused by Covid is approximately correct or perhaps a little low.

The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines appear to be very safe. You're going to have a few deaths, perhaps less than 50 in the USA based on analogies to reactions from flu vaccines, that will save hundreds of thousands.