When Will You Get The COVID19 Vaccine?

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

No of course not. I am not interested in getting them pregnant. Condoms are about 95% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancies, unless of course they are old, have perforations or tiny holes in them then their effectiveness is greatly reduced. The Masks people wear have hundreds perhaps thousands of tiny, tiny holes in them. Viruses are even smaller they are measured in nano meters and masks don't provide a tight seal around the nose and mouth besides that you can contract a virus through the ears and eyes which aren't protected at all. So your comparison between masks and condoms is kinda dumb.

Good point about the mask fit! Viruses can escape and go through those gaps where the mask doesnt cover correctly!

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by WTF

I wonder if they go Batshit when a provider ask them to put on a condom? Do they call her a socialist trying to take away their liberty and freedom?

The masks people are wearing and the way most people are wearing them are pretty much worthless. In fact it seems to be making the situation worse and people think the masks are more effective than they really are in stopping the spread.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't get it.

1. The person got Covid-19, recovered, and already has immunity.
2. Depending on how the vaccine is made, could be allergic to something in the manufacturing process so they won't get the vaccine.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

they're using supposedly a live virus in the vaccine. its why they have to keep it -60F. don't know if this is true.

"None of the COVID-19 vaccines currently in development in the United States use the live virus that causes COVID-19. There are several different types of vaccines in development. However, the goal for each of them is to teach our immune systems how to recognize and fight the virus that causes COVID-19."


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...s%20COVID%2D19.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by WTF

I wonder if they go Batshit when a provider ask them to put on a condom? Do they call her a socialist trying to take away their liberty and freedom?

Just the pregnant ones.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

[COLOR="Red"]"None of the COVID-19 vaccines currently in development in the United States use the live virus that causes COVID-19.

"COVID-19" is a convenient, human label. The cell(s) that attack and modify healthy cells have their own scientific identity crafted from a combination of their source and genetic pattern (aka DNA).

The actual lab reports and studies utilizing the various invasive cells do not use the reference "Covid-19" at all. Those studies go back to 2015 and slightly earlier. The media spreads the bullshit and people rely on the media for their "knowledge"!

The misnomer of the bad cell is for political and social purposes to justify an attempt to modify and control the public's behavior, which has little, if anything, to do with spreading and/or catching a cell that has the characteristic of modifying "good cells" in the modify so the body's immune system will attack the body's "good cells" that have been modified to deceive the immune system.

The original purpose of these invasive cells was to "attack" cancer cells to activate the immune system to fight the cancer cells. Research hospitals like MD Anderson are quiet! They are dependent on government funding.

Apparently there are some politicians who are familiar with the medical-scientific history and orgin, because when they "think" no one is watching to refrain from engaging in the controls they unlawfully impose on the general public, which initially began to destroy the economy created by the policies of Trump, but has now run out of steam as being unnecessary, except for the fact that the "election" may not be "over" or "final." They can just lift the bans and executive orders all of a sudden. The charade must continue .... after all .... small businessmen didn't support the CommunistSocialistLiberalLoonA Ticks that elevated Bitten and Kumola as their puppets. (Kill the gainful employment opportunities, borrow money to hand out coupons and welfare cards, and tax the shit out of the successful business people who have fattened the retirement funds and made this country less dependent on foreigners.

Everyone of those fuckers ruining this country are on the government tit ... aka taxpayers they are systematically destroying. They don't give a rat's ass about "poor" people!

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by farmstud60

The masks people are wearing and the way most people are wearing them are pretty much worthless.

But they serve a useful government and social purpose!



Early on I began to wear a mask while driving around just so I would not go through the inconvenience of being stopped by an ignorant LE officer and at best merely delayed in getting to my intended location. The County "Judge" UNLAWFULLY made it a crime not to wear one "IN PUBLIC" .... without exempting the wearing of them in the PRIVACY of one's vehicle.

The sheep remain sheep.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

No of course not. I am not interested in getting them pregnant. Condoms are about 95% effective in preventing unwanted pregnancies, unless of course they are old, have perforations or tiny holes in them then their effectiveness is greatly reduced. The Masks people wear have hundreds perhaps thousands of tiny, tiny holes in them. Viruses are even smaller they are measured in nano meters and masks don't provide a tight seal around the nose and mouth besides that you can contract a virus through the ears and eyes which aren't protected at all. So your comparison between masks and condoms is kinda dumb.

WTF’s analogy is excellent. N95 masks are 95% effective. While they weren’t available at the start of the pandemic, N95 and KN95 masks are now available and cheap. These are for industrial use but many have been approved by the FDA for emergency medical use.

You are right about the size of the virus. But virions don’t fly solo. They’re attached to other proteins, water vapor, other virions.. Still many of the droplets are indeed smaller than the holes in the mask. The virions in these tiny particles attach to the mask fabric because of electrostatic forces and diffusion, from the droplet onto the mask. Masks work for larger particles like a mechanical filter - the particles are larger than the holes. It’s the intermediate sized droplets that are most likely to pass through the mask

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

But they serve a useful government and social purpose!



Early on I began to wear a mask while driving around just so I would not go through the inconvenience of being stopped by an ignorant LE officer and at best merely delayed in getting to my intended location. The County "Judge" UNLAWFULLY made it a crime not to wear one "IN PUBLIC" .... without exempting the wearing of them in the PRIVACY of one's vehicle.

The sheep remain sheep.

So those people are Jews in Nazi Germany, forced to wear the Star of David?

My gosh, so governor Abbott is just like Hitler, because of his mask mandate. How many people were stopped for driving without their masks? Maybe a big fat ZERO? Nobody, not a single person, has been ticketed for not wearing a mask where I live.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

"COVID-19" is a convenient, human label. The cell(s) that attack and modify healthy cells have their own scientific identity crafted from a combination of their source and genetic pattern (aka DNA).

The actual lab reports and studies utilizing the various invasive cells do not use the reference "Covid-19" at all. Those studies go back to 2015 and slightly earlier. The media spreads the bullshit and people rely on the media for their "knowledge"!

The misnomer of the bad cell is for political and social purposes to justify an attempt to modify and control the public's behavior, which has little, if anything, to do with spreading and/or catching a cell that has the characteristic of modifying "good cells" in the modify so the body's immune system will attack the body's "good cells" that have been modified to deceive the immune system.

The original purpose of these invasive cells was to "attack" cancer cells to activate the immune system to fight the cancer cells. Research hospitals like MD Anderson are quiet! They are dependent on government funding.

Apparently there are some politicians who are familiar with the medical-scientific history and orgin, because when they "think" no one is watching to refrain from engaging in the controls they unlawfully impose on the general public, which initially began to destroy the economy created by the policies of Trump, but has now run out of steam as being unnecessary, except for the fact that the "election" may not be "over" or "final." They can just lift the bans and executive orders all of a sudden. The charade must continue .... after all .... small businessmen didn't support the CommunistSocialistLiberalLoonA Ticks that elevated Bitten and Kumola as their puppets. (Kill the gainful employment opportunities, borrow money to hand out coupons and welfare cards, and tax the shit out of the successful business people who have fattened the retirement funds and made this country less dependent on foreigners.

Everyone of those fuckers ruining this country are on the government tit ... aka taxpayers they are systematically destroying. They don't give a rat's ass about "poor" people!

Am I missing something? What do killer cells have to do with a viral epidemic? You realize viruses aren’t cells?

I share your concern about taxes and about small businessmen being put out of business

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Am I missing something?

Yes.

You may not recognize the significance immediately, but if you are old enough you will recall the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident in which it was reported that two or three (depending on the version) NV "gunboats" attacked a U.S. destroyer in the Gulf of Tonkin in which a "fire fight" erupted. The incident was justification for a Congressional resolution that LBJ used to expand the SE Asia conflict. ABOUT 50 YEARS LATER it was revealed the incident didn't happen ... it was fabricated to support the expansion of the "war"!

At the time I thought the NV was "out of their minds" and that something smelled. A close confidant was a PIO in the Navy at the time and that incident as well as the fire on a carrier (the one upon which John McCain allegedly served) on which he was stationed ... thought those incidents didn't smell right....he knew first hand the carrier fire wasn't as reported...but he was silenced.

The point: Unfortunately, our government doesn't always shoot straight with the public and some factions don't adequately and fully inform the final decision-makers with details upon which to make healthy and/or resolving decisions. "We" don't hear about it until years later, if not decades later. We end up getting results like Watergate.

An example of NON-INFORMING ... the Bay of Pigs fiasco. I heard the Stevenson UN report in real time and it sounded much like Powell's presentation to the U.N. regarding the Iraqi WMD program.

You are calling it a "virus," because the media called it a "virus"! It almost causes an image of a tadpole coming to mind .... swimming in body fluids .... as its spewed across the air space in front of us ... not even close. And that's is one reason people do not die OF "Covid-19" ...

In death investigations there are two goals upon which to focus ... (1) the cause & (2) the manner.

They are not to be confused. The "cause" is often tainted by social and political agendas. The manner is focused more on the externally applied mechanics that actually caused the body to cease functioning. The cell attacking the good cells in the body through the mouth, throat, and lungs path doesn't "cause" the death, but the immune system responding to the modification of the good cells destroys those cells and sends bad cells into the blood stream that attack other organs ... that is why older people and those with immune issues from diseases like sugar problems are susceptible ... and those with healthy immune systems ... like younger people have an extremely low mortality rate.

[Yssup Rider]

I heard that comes in a nice sharkskin finish as well, LL.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Tiny

.... N95 masks are 95% effective. While they weren’t available at the start of the pandemic, N95 and KN95 masks are now available and cheap. These are for industrial use but many have been approved by the FDA for emergency medical use.
....

I'm seeing maybe 5% or less of people wearing these masks. Although I haven't looked online in a while I don't see them for sale in stores. Where are you?

Originally Posted by tinypenis

I am skeptical. It's rushed, there has to be side effects, or maybe it's ineffective.

Agreed. I'm not taking the vaccine AT LEAST until it goes through the usual formal approval process. Again, will Pfizer and other companies get waivers to not be sued? What happens when many old people take this vaccine and die? Will it get shrugged off? My understanding is they aren't testing this vaccine on the elderly which is really who needs it most.

Originally Posted by farmstud60

The masks people are wearing and the way most people are wearing them are pretty much worthless. In fact it seems to be making the situation worse and people think the masks are more effective than they really are in stopping the spread.

The homemade masks most people were wearing 6 months ago were useless. Today by walking around in public I'd say 95% are useless. They are inherently poorly designed, poorly worn and worn for too long. In fact, go to a sit down restuarant and look how many people put their mask on the table. The masks themselves could be "superspreaders."

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by gnadfly

I'm seeing maybe 5% or less of people wearing these masks. Although I haven't looked online in a while I don't see them for sale in stores. Where are you?

You posed this question to me a couple of weeks ago and I answered here,

https://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=92

Originally Posted by gnadfly

The homemade masks most people were wearing 6 months ago were useless. Today by walking around in public I'd say 95% are useless. They are inherently poorly designed, poorly worn and worn for too long. In fact, go to a sit down restuarant and look how many people put their mask on the table. The masks themselves could be "superspreaders."

First, there's not much you can do about other people. You can protect yourself and the people around you better with an N95 or KN95 mask.

I don't think the cloth masks you see people wearing are 95% useless. Maybe more like 40% useless. But admittedly staying at least a few feet away from other people and using eye protection may be more effective. So why not do all three! Get some fashionable aviator goggles and you'll be a hit with women:

Originally Posted by Tiny

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...11429-main.pdf

In summary -

Their findings showed a reduction in risk of 82% of getting infected by maintaining a physical distance of one meter in health-care and community settings. Every additional one meter of separation more than doubled the relative protection, up to three meters.

Masks and respirators reduced the risk of infection by 85% with greater effectiveness in health care settings than the community, which they attribute to the predominant use of N95 masks in health care settings. N95 respirators were 96% effective; other masks were 67% effective.

Eye protection resulted in a 78% reduction in infection in health care settings.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Yes.

You may not recognize the significance immediately, but if you are old enough you will recall the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident....

There's a lot to agree with in your posts. I'm too young to remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident. But like weapons of mass destruction it sounds like a made up excuse to draw us into an expensive, divisive and unnecessary war. Also I like this, "Everyone of those fuckers ruining this country are on the government tit ... aka taxpayers they are systematically destroying. They don't give a rat's ass about "poor" people!"

I don't get the analogy with Covid. Covid is real. When we look back on excess deaths in 2020, compared to past years, it's going to be apparent that at least 300,000 more people died than would have without the disease, just in this year. If we'd done nothing, our economy and the public purse still would have been badly hurt. This is apparent from looking at Sweden, which did little to combat the virus but whose economy was hit as hard as ours. People here aren't traveling, going out to restaurants or shopping as much, even though there aren't any restrictions on those activities, at least where I live, so you can't blame that on the government.

A virus is a strand of RNA or DNA surrounded by a protein sheath. It's much simpler than a cell. Viruses usually need to hijack cells to reproduce.