An interesting exchange with a relatively new provider. There seems to be a Good Market for NON GFE Service at the right rates

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Whispers

bowlegged?

after 15-20 guys a week for just a few weeks as compared to some ladies around here that have been doing guys for 10-15 years?

Are they bowlegged? Are their vaginas stretched out of shape?

How old are you? How many rides have you taken? Are you "bowlegged"?

I can't say I've ever seen a bowlegged provider myself.....

Just seems a bit rude to me......

Oooh Whispers.....

[Rand Al'Thor]

Originally Posted by Whispers

bowlegged?

after 15-20 guys a week for just a few weeks as compared to some ladies around here that have been doing guys for 10-15 years?

Are they bowlegged? Are their vaginas stretched out of shape?

How old are you? How many rides have you taken? Are you "bowlegged"?

I can't say I've ever seen a bowlegged provider myself.....

Just seems a bit rude to me......

Wait, who gave Whispers' account access to some PWLD WK?

[Majichands]

LoL I understand wasn't trying to be rude. I just saw anoher thread where a guy said he looked for bowlegged women as a joke....I was kidding.. In my personal life ...hell after one great one I was crawling to the tub. lol couldn't walk barely I couldn't even imagine 5...but that's a talent... And as far as the insides go well, I am very bi, and I knew a very young girl that was not a pro but was a slut and you could tell.. and another that was a pro for years and was tight.. guess it depends on if you do your (pussy-ups)or not..lol.... SO hope everyone knows was not trying to be rude..... I was just thinking of the time I was walking like i just rode a bull.. after..1 lol...again not my job.lol

[Kit-4-Kat]

A few points for the girl being posted about:

New meat: more appts when you're new regardless of quality or price
Young: more market for that w/ the latest crop of posting/vocal hobbyists
Non-GFE: seems more in line w/ the latest crop of hobbyists, too.

I started this biz at the age of 38 & did more biz than the BP girl in the OP for quite a nice run. HH/125 & HR/200: GFE/PSE/BBBJCIM/MPCFS. Probably just a matter of the current market demand combined w/ the new meat thing.

As for passion & how it's conveyed, different strokes for different folks. The woman who can genuinely tap into her passion for the many types of clients she sees is going to be successful no matter what. Some of us have higher libidos & energy levels than others. I can run off sexual energy for HOURS. I've stayed up all night masturbating on cam w/ guys 15 yrs ago w/out even drinking coffee! LOL So, it's a ymwv from girl to girl. That's just the way this biz is sometimes.

[shaft.drive]

Originally Posted by Kit-4-Kat

Some of us have higher libidos & energy levels than others. I can run off sexual energy for HOURS. I've stayed up all night masturbating on cam w/ guys 15 yrs ago w/out even drinking coffee! LOL So, it's a ymwv from girl to girl. That's just the way this biz is sometimes.

as it is guy to guy.
I am surprised, amazed & envious of how sexually active some of the seemingly overweight men are

[Naomi4u]

Originally Posted by Kit-4-Kat

New meat: more appts when you're new regardless of quality or price
Young: more market for that w/ the latest crop of posting/vocal hobbyists

I'm 21. I have heard that. I have read comments from men saying they'd never pay "$300 for a 40 year old" and that's just effed up. I know a lot of super HOT 40 year olds. It shouldn't be about age but performance but hey they're the customer it's their choice.

When a girl goes to a new city she's "new meat"..everyone wants her. No matter how long she's been in the hobby. Every time I tour I make more money than I do here at home and then some.

Originally Posted by Kit-4-Kat

]Non-GFE: seems more in line w/ the latest crop of hobbyists, too.

I think we'll agree to disagree here. It's depends on the girl. If she presents herself as GFE, she will get BFE type clients. 1.) If she presents herself as someone a man can spend more than one hour with then that is what she'll get.(noone wants to 3hrs with an idiot.) 2.) It also depends on location, when I went to Greenville, SC, I couldn't get business without adding more time to my one hour rate. $300 an hour was too much for those guys there. I added more time to my hourly rate and was booked solid. I think if GFE girls lowered their rates or added more time to their one hourly rates, those non-GFE guys would come out of the woodworks wanting a date with us. When I went to Boston, MA, I had to double my rate, the men there have no issues with money. I was booked solid at $600hr and I came home with some pretty sweet gifts. 3.) Looks. At the end of the day this business is all about looks and body type. I have heard from Austin hobbyists that there are girls charging $300 an hour that should be charging $180 an hour. A provider should be honest with herself and price herself accordingly. If you're a hottie and you perform well you will automatically get more business.

I have seen guys say they're not into GFE, pay $150 for a 30 minute time with a provider then turn around and pay $400 an hour for that new hot visiting provider. It happens all the time. Again, it depends on the girl.

[Majichands]

you know what? I really like the enteraction and the views of all the ladies so far in Austin seem like cool ladies. Good input. And would refer any one that wanted other things to those on here that do. Yall are right men are different about what they like and want and so are women..I know a few fullservice girls in Dtown will go all the way around the world but refuses to take a shower with a client and another one will do alot for a little however would not massage a guy she thinks its gross to rubb on a stranger yet she doesnt think its gross to suck one down lol So yes we are all different and unique and I am glad to call Austin home again and to enteract with seemingly enjoyable people.

[Rand Al'Thor]

Originally Posted by Kit-4-Kat

A few points for the girl being posted about:

New meat: more appts when you're new regardless of quality or price
Young: more market for that w/ the latest crop of posting/vocal hobbyists
Non-GFE: seems more in line w/ the latest crop of hobbyists, too.

New Meat factor would be true on a board like ECCIE - fairly static number of providers, and any new face get noticed, if not becomes flavor of the month. On BP, where the number of providers are very dynamic, it would be hard to notice someone new among all the other new face. People scanning BP are more concerned with figuring out if she's real or fake, real or scam, real or chemically enhanced, real or...

I started this biz at the age of 38 & did more biz than the BP girl in the OP for quite a nice run. HH/125 & HR/200: GFE/PSE/BBBJCIM/MPCFS. Probably just a matter of the current market demand combined w/ the new meat thing.

As for passion & how it's conveyed, different strokes for different folks. The woman who can genuinely tap into her passion for the many types of clients she sees is going to be successful no matter what. Some of us have higher libidos & energy levels than others. I can run off sexual energy for HOURS. I've stayed up all night masturbating on cam w/ guys 15 yrs ago w/out even drinking coffee! LOL So, it's a ymwv from girl to girl. That's just the way this biz is sometimes.

Current "crop of hobbyists" might surprise you. The market doesn't change, men's tastes haven't changed, nor does demand for GFE/non-GFE. What may have changed is which few are more vocal on the board and what you tend to notice and think are the dominant voices. The street king sees indies and agency girls, strip club guru spends more time with indies than most people think. Hell, most of my sessions are over-nighters, entire weekends, sometimes 3-4 hour on the short side.

That's not to say that most of us sometimes don't enjoy the occassional BnG or quick Wham-Bam-Thank-You-Ma'am sessions. This market has been served by different portions of the hobby before. MPs tend to cater to the 30-60 minute, one-shot, available whenever you are ready to go type of sessions. Some indies who do BnG will take last minute appointments from guys they've seen before. There's always the street scene. CL/BP girls have catered to this market as well. I guess a good question might be what percentage of guys' sessions are these types as opposed to full GFE (or even multi-hour) sessions?

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

I have heard from Austin hobbyists that there are girls charging $300 an hour that should be charging $180 an hour. A provider should be honest with herself and price herself accordingly. If you're a hottie and you perform well you will automatically get more business.

Well Said....

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by Rand Al'Thor

.......What may have changed is which few are more vocal on the board and what you tend to notice and think are the dominant voices. The street king sees indies and agency girls, strip club guru spends more time with indies than most people think. Hell, most of my sessions are over-nighters, entire weekends, sometimes 3-4 hour on the short side.

A lot just don't seem to catch on to that choosing instead to shove us all into some box and discount our money....


That's not to say that most of us sometimes don't enjoy the occassional BnG or quick Wham-Bam-Thank-You-Ma'am sessions. This market has been served by different portions of the hobby before. MPs tend to cater to the 30-60 minute, one-shot, available whenever you are ready to go type of sessions. Some indies who do BnG will take last minute appointments from guys they've seen before. There's always the street scene. CL/BP girls have catered to this market as well. I guess a good question might be what percentage of guys' sessions are these types as opposed to full GFE (or even multi-hour) sessions?

I like a few (3-5 a week?) "quickies" as well as a similar number of extended sessions....

[Rand Al'Thor]

Originally Posted by Whispers

A lot just don't seem to catch on to that choosing instead to shove us all into some box and discount our money....

It's easier to do that than to try to guess or think about people having varying tastes. Magnolia at 3 in the morning is great, as well as Eddie V's or a personal chef.

I like a few (3-5 a week?) "quickies" as well as a similar number of extended sessions....

I only do an occasional quickie, maybe a couple a month. Usually 3 or 4 long sessions a week though. When I'm traveling, I tend to try to sneak in at least one or two hourly session a week.

[sixxbach]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

When a girl goes to a new city she's "new meat"..everyone wants her. No matter how long she's been in the hobby. Every time I tour I make more money than I do here at home and then some.

Makes alot of sense....

I was booked solid at $600hr and I came home with some pretty sweet gifts.

There ya go again... bragging!!!
I have heard from Austin hobbyists that there are girls charging $300 an hour that should be charging $180 an hour.

Who in their right mind would say such a thing?

A provider should be honest with herself and price herself accordingly. If you're a hottie and you perform well you will automatically get more business.

Exactly. I may not pay 300/hr for a provider but I know what a 300/hr gal looks like.....

sixx

[Guest061511-2]

Sixx, you now have 69 reviews! Just sayn'... On another note, I have read a few posts where gentleman preferred fs to gfe. I don't know how that market would be. I considered going that route at one point when I was seeing someone. For me, it is hard to create an illusion when you are in love. Sometimes I don't understand why a guy would want some girl telling him he is huge or god's gift when it just isn't so. I like genuine. There is eithier chemistry or there is not. When their isn't, I'd rather just be your fbe than pretend I am your girlfriend. I am not a robot.

[Naomi4u]

Whatever Sixx

[Natalie Reign]

Originally Posted by Naomi4u

I have heard from Austin hobbyists that there are girls charging $300 an hour that should be charging $180 an hour.

We've been hearing that in Austin for a while now. But I think some hobbyists fail to realize that not every provider is aiming to see as many men as possible. Several of us in the $300+ range ended up at that price point because we were simply overwhelmed with business when our donations were lower. I found myself in that situation, and gradually increased my rate until I felt comfortable with the number of requests I was receiving versus the number of sessions I wanted to book in a week.

At the end of the day, a provider is still a person, and if she wants to live a happy, productive life, she has to make an informed decision about how much she can reasonably give of herself, and what that service is worth to her. If a lady thinks to herself, "I would feel terrible about myself if I accepted $150/hour," but feels the risks and rewards of providing are balanced at $200/hour, then she shouldn't really be charging $150/hour, no matter what any hobbyist says. A provider deciding she will never drop below a certain rate isn't much different than a hobbyist deciding he will never pay more than a certain rate. Personal preference all around.

If a provider is asking a certain rate, and still has enough business to live the lifestyle she desires, then she must be doing something right. We can't be all things to all people. And even if we could, when would we have time for ourselves?

PS - Nice to see you posting in Austin, Naomi. xoxo