Our military is in trouble (thank you Obama)

[JD Barleycorn]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

You are full of shit- do you think oil changes and mechanical work for parts are all free? It was widely reported in the Iraq war how military vehicles that had minor damage were "totaled" out and trust me someone profited. Your SON wasn't probably a high enough rank to see invoices- do you really think privates or basic infantry men have that access? The logistics alone to pay for the Iraq war was nearly 500 million per day- that includes repairs, fuel, feeding soldiers etc.
http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/1761...u.s._military/

Here's a quote from the article:

Despite the tens of billions being wasted on a project like the F-35, the examples that tend to draw the most attention from the media and the most outrage among taxpayers involve overspending on routine items. This may be because the average person doesn’t have a sense of what a fighter plane should cost, but can more easily grasp that spending $640 for a toilet seat or $7,600 for a coffee pot is outrageous. These kinds of examples -- first exposed through work done in the 1980s by Dina Rasor of the Project on Military Procurement -- undermined the position taken by President Ronald Reagan’s administration that not a penny could be cut from its then-record peacetime Pentagon budgets.


SO IFF DON'T DARE TELL ME THAT THE MILITARY DOESN'T PURPOSELY WASTE MONEY IF YOU FIND IT OK TO SPEND 600 DOLLARS OR A FREAKING 20 DOLLAR TOILET SEAT OR 7600 ON COFFEE POT AND I DID SEE INVOICES PERSONALLY FOR 3000 DOLLAR OIL CHANGES ON HUMVEES.

Betraying your ignorance again. Okay, the coffee pot did exist but do you know why it came to be? Contract specs! That little thing I've been talking about. The Air Force wanted a coffee pot designed to be on a B-52 bomber. Okay, it had to be a certain shape, size, and weight. That costs money. Then someone said what about performance specs? Someone said that the bombers fly at 35,000 ft so the designer built a coffee pot that would work at 35,000 feet outside the aircraft! They also said that sometimes bombers have crashed and could sink to 3,500 feet below sea level. So you guessed it, the designer put that into the mix. So we got a coffee pot that could work at 35,000 feet and at 3,500 below sea level for thousands of dollars. The designer took advantage of the system which should have been designed to catch that stuff. So this where someone like Trump is perfect. Not only will he get rid of the military contract writers but he will go after the vendors as well. He's already done that with the F-35 and the next Air Force One.

One a personal note, I wanted to order a standard Fluke test meter when I was in the navy. Digital was pretty new. We used P250s and Voltmeters. In order to get that Fluke that I saw in the showcase of an electrical contractor I had to write contract. What we called a 1346. I had to describe what I wanted in such detail that only the meter I wanted could fill the bill. That means I had to specify lead length, color, dials, weight, etc. so that someone else thousands of miles away would purchase the correct meter for me. A few years later that meter became the standard and my write up was the one they used.

[LexusLover]

I recall when NASA was wanting a razor for the astronauts in space with zero gravity, which required a "system" to contain the whisker shavings so they did not float around and foul the atmosphere (breathing hair into the lungs) and electronics. Remington et al designed prototypes for around $50,000 to $60,000 (1960 dollars) all of which had a "vacuum" attachment to capture the whiskers as they were cut from the face.

One of the astronauts, when he saw the prototypes, asked why they didn't just use straight razors with shaving cream to catch the whiskers and then wipe the whisker laden shaving cream off the razor with a disposable towel. I saw a photo of an astronaut on the space station doing just that. I can get some of those when traveling for $1-$2 (2017 dollars)!

The problem with procurement in the Government [local, state, and federa[ (and the military) is #1 those "in charge" don't (and can't) think outside the box and #2 they view the funds as being someone else's and not theirs. But #2 IS THE POINT! The money belongs to the taxpayers. And the point of #1 is a "hiring problem"! Many "procurement (so-called) experts" have NEVER USED THE SHIT they are ordering IN THE FIELD and more importantly they probably NEVER WENT SHOPPING for SUPPLIES in their civilian (nongovernmental) lives, but someone else did it for them ...Mom or "the little woman at home"! Simply put: no fucking common sense.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You're full of shit, Lubed Wide-ass. You're citing a thirty-year old article, Lubed Wide-ass. Plus, it's notable how you claim that you saw an invoice for $3,000 for HumveeS, Lubed Wide-ass. $3,000 for 100 HUMVEES would be market price, Lubed Wide-ass, but the truth of the matter is that per my personal experience is that our organic maintenance platoon changed the oil in our equipment as part of their routine maintenance mission, Lubed Wide-ass. So, Lubed Wide-ass, it's incumbent on your lib-retard ass to produce proof of your claim that these routine maintenance procedures were contracted out.

Interesting that LUBE would choose to site an article that listed the price of TOILET SEATS. Something near and dear to his heart from when the " seArgent " was HMFIC of cleaning and burning field latrines. Even after all those years of standing DOWNWIND during the burning of human fecal matter and diesel, LUBE'S love of that "career field " hasn't diminished. He now burns incense at all of his gloryhole locations to remind him of his " good ole days " !
His focus on those toilet seats prolly comes from some Colonel or higher ranked officer ripping him for allowing a seat with splinters to be installed in the officer's " deluxe " field shitter and LUBE'S failure to " polish it with his fat ass " !

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Betraying your ignorance again. Okay, the coffee pot did exist but do you know why it came to be? Contract specs! That little thing I've been talking about. The Air Force wanted a coffee pot designed to be on a B-52 bomber. Okay, it had to be a certain shape, size, and weight.Total Bullshit That costs money(does it cost a thousands time more than the original price because you are changing the size). Then someone said what about performance specs? Someone said that the bombers fly at 35,000 ft(so do many other aircraft-military what's your point?) so the designer built a coffee pot that would work at 35,000 feet outside the aircraft! They also said that sometimes bombers have crashed and could sink to 3,500 feet below sea level. So you guessed it, the designer put that into the mix. So we got a coffee pot that could work at 35,000 feet and at 3,500 below sea level (You are one dumb ass- what s the purpose of designing a coffee pot to work under water in an aircraft you moron? If the plane crashes and starts to sink- is someone going to need a cup of coffee? It's an Aircraft not a submarine you moron)for thousands of dollars. The designer took advantage of the system which should have been designed to catch that stuff. So this where someone like Trump is perfect. Not only will he get rid of the military contract writers but he will go after the vendors as well. He's already done that with the F-35 and the next Air Force One.

One a personal note, I wanted to order a standard Fluke test meter when I was in the navy. Digital was pretty new. We used P250s and Voltmeters. In order to get that Fluke that I saw in the showcase of an electrical contractor I had to write contract. What we called a 1346. I had to describe what I wanted in such detail that only the meter I wanted could fill the bill. That means I had to specify lead length, color, dials, weight, etc. so that someone else thousands of miles away would purchase the correct meter for me. A few years later that meter became the standard and my write up was the one they used.

You have to be the biggest dumbass on this site bar none

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

When my son was in Iraq and Afghanistan, he changed plenty of oil on the vehicles, in the down time. There was NO INVOICE!

Lewd_Wiggleass is confusing the $30.00 he charges for a rim job...

Is that the same son who grew up in a closet under the stairs? The same one who ran away to escape the circus?

[gary5912]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

You have to be the biggest dumbass on this site bar none

No fat ass that would be you the king of fat asses

[Rey Lengua]

No LUBE ! That " title " is currently shared by YOU, assup and fisting chapped ass ! And knowing how YOU hate to share anything , (except for YOUR wide ass and slack-jaw mouth ! ) YOU can always improve YOUR chances of an outright WIN of the DOTY poll with more of YOUR dumbshit posts, ya stolen valor POS !

[gary5912]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Is that the same son who grew up in a closet under the stairs? The same one who ran away to escape the circus?

Do you have kids asswipe, God help them if you do

[goodman0422]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

So let me get this right- the United States spends 700 Billion on military, which is more than the next 7 nadtions combined- which includes Russia and China, but somehow Obama is responsible???? Go fuck yourself- I am the only one in here who knows about military and I have seen the over inflated repair prices companies charge - an oil change on a Humvee is billed at 3000 dollars and it's no different than the standard oil change on your personal car.

My last unit had a few dozen hummvees. We also had 2 fulltime maintainers and we routinely brought in additional guard guys that completed all regular maintenance. Labor costs were paid for by their regular paycheck. (In other words, we did not send them out.) I am certain my commander would not have signed off on $3k for a few quarts of oil. This sounds like a bogus statistic some idiot dug up.

As a former, ahem, "Command Sergeant Major" it would have been your duty to stop this type of fraud, waste and abuse. Are you saying you stood idly by and let it happen? You? The enforcer did nothing? I find this shocking.

As for your list of countries with smaller combined military budgets than the US. All have been conquered or overthrown in the last century with the exception of the UK (who would have fallen had we not saved their asses). Even Saudi Arabia depends on our protection despite being surrounded by Muslim "allies".

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

So let me get this right- the United States spends 700 Billion on military, which is more than the next 7 nations combined- which includes Russia and China, but somehow Obama is responsible???? Go fuck yourself- I am the only one in here who knows about military and I have seen the over inflated repair prices companies charge - an oil change on a Humvee is billed at 3000 dollars and it's no different than the standard oil change on your personal car.

Army mechanics change the oil in their Humvees. They are not charging the army anything to do it.

I guess you were out being a hero instead of working in the motor pool.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Army mechanics change the oil in their Humvees. They are not charging the army anything to do it.

I guess you were out being a hero instead of working in the motor pool.

Hero in his own mind !

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by goodman0422

My last unit had a few dozen hummvees. We also had 2 fulltime maintainers and we routinely brought in additional guard guys that completed all regular maintenance. Labor costs were paid for by their regular paycheck. (In other words, we did not send them out.) I am certain my commander would not have signed off on $3k for a few quarts of oil. This sounds like a bogus statistic some idiot dug up.


As for your list of countries with smaller combined military budgets than the US. All have been conquered or overthrown in the last century with the exception of the UK (who would have fallen had we not saved their asses). Even Saudi Arabia depends on our protection despite being surrounded by Muslim "allies".

When is the last time Belgium kicked the shit out of anyone?

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

Hero in his own mind !

You're never alone with a schizophrenic.

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by goodman0422

My last unit had a few dozen hummvees. We also had 2 fulltime maintainers and we routinely brought in additional guard guys that completed all regular maintenance. Labor costs were paid for by their regular paycheck. (In other words, we did not send them out.) I am certain my commander would not have signed off on $3k for a few quarts of oil. This sounds like a bogus statistic some idiot dug up.

As a former, ahem, "Command Sergeant Major" it would have been your duty to stop this type of fraud, waste and abuse. Are you saying you stood idly by and let it happen? You? The enforcer did nothing? I find this shocking.

As for your list of countries with smaller combined military budgets than the US. All have been conquered or overthrown in the last century with the exception of the UK (who would have fallen had we not saved their asses). Even Saudi Arabia depends on our protection despite being surrounded by Muslim "allies".

and you would probably say your commander wouldn't sign off on a 640 dollar toilet seat but that happened and it's documented and that was in the 80's.

[Rey Lengua]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

and you would probably say your commander wouldn't sign off on a 640 dollar toilet seat but that happened and it's documented and that was in the 80's.

At least HE'S not a lying, stolen valor POS that WADDLED / RAN AWAY CRYING ON ELECTION NIGHT , huh " seArgent " !!!