Grendel P-30 Magnum

[GMTA]

Well eddie 22`s are cheap and fun to shoot but the firearm she is talking about is the 22 magnum. While still cheaper to shoot than most guns a box of 50 will run you about 10 bucks and up . You can buy 9mm as cheap as you can 22 mag.

anova you didn`t say the price of the firearm

[GMTA]

Well I guess I ddn`t see all of the posts before . Anyway Hi cap mags. for Handgun are not banned anymore . Plus all that were out in the market were grandfather in , just no new production of Hi Cap mags. during the ban . Its not that rare of gun . Just remember its only worth what some one is willing to pay for it . The price range od 200-500 you said you will sell it for is in the right area but I think you fine it will be much closer to the 200 range than 500 . I know of 5 of them that have been in online auctions so many times they never reach the reserve price . Low production # in the present time does always say much . Grendel made the guns from 1990 until 1994 with out looking it up I am going to guess about 100,000 to 200,000 where produced in 4 years .

[anova444]

Thanks for all of the advise every one! Chainsaw Anthropologist, that PMR-30 looks pretty sexy and I like the fact that it can use small or larger bullets.

Happy New Year, every one.

[Jackie S]

Aha, the "Dirty Harry Days". Before that movie came out, you couldn't give a 44Mag away, except to serious handgunners who actually knew the beast well.
Pre-Dirty Harry, a S&W Mod 29 went for about $230. Post-Dirty Harry, people were paying $600 plus just to get on the waiting list at the local Sporting Goods Store.

Oshmans, (remember them), would still sell them for the suggested retail. But, if the word got out that Oshmans was about to get a few in, a line would form clear around the block.

The funny thing is, most of the people who bought the darned things had no idea what they were in for, especially the 4" barrel version. Many were sold, by the originol buyers, with the originol box of Factory Ammo, (which was loaded pretty hot), with only a few rounds fired. Actually shooting one wasn't quite as much fun as they though it would be.

I shot a 500 S&W Mag a while back, even with the Factory Muzzle Brake, it is a VERY serious piece of equipment to handle. Not for the faint of heart.

[Mr. Smith111]

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

This is great advice.

About the dog. You'll have to train him/her very well. A quality dog will cost you, and the training will cost you even more. Keeping him/her healthy is expensive also. S/he's gotta be trained to leave you and any "friend" alone at the incall unless your friend gets out of line. This kind of training is expensive, but well worth it and much better company than a pistol.

Read up on the breeds. Some are better than others at this kind of thing. I think it was one of the branches of military that went to Dobermans because once you gave the "attack" command, you couldn't recall it. Generally speaking, I think, German Shepherds tend to be the best breeds for this kind of training. Another breed that should be considered is a Rottweiler, although they tend to be somewhat mean and uncontrollable for my taste.

Keep in mind these are all big dogs. They'll need good daily exercise, and if you don't have a large back yard in which they can run around, you'll have to be pretty intentional about exercising them. If you're a runner, you can train them to run with you. In a city like Dallas, there are probably lots of places for exercise for a dog.

There are other popular breeds you might look at, but I'm not sure how well the fit the "guard" dog profile.

That's all good till someone shoots your dog. Get a comfortable pistol and practice . You don't have to be a great shot at 10 feet or less, you just have to be familiar enough with the gun to use it without fumbling around.

[Dartswinger]

Laurentius, FNAR is pretty cool til you find out extra magazines are almost $80.00!!! Analisa, .22 handguns can be a lot of fun to shoot and ammo is very cheap if it is .22 long rifle. .22 long rifle can be found anywhere and is cheap because they make and sell billions of rounds every year. .22 Magnum sounds sexy, but cost a hell of a lot more with a really loud bark and has barely 2 x the energy. Problem is 2 x 100 ft lbs is only 200 ft lbs. For serious social work around 500 ft lbs is the most efficient and useful. It's been proven time and time again by studies of actual shootings. The cartridge that comes out on top most of the time is the Corbon 135 grain hollow point .40 caliber. Remington Golden Sabre is right up there with it. Effective does NOT mean the assailant drops dead right there. It means the assailant ceases to be hostile with one shot in the body center mass (torso). As for any specific gun, the one that is most comfortable for you to properly grip, point and pull the trigger is the BEST one for you. You must try out as many guns as you can. When you find it buy it, learn how to properly use it and shoot it as much as you can. Start with a .22 long rifle, then find the best .40 caliber you like and can afford. Always use good eye and hearing protection when you shoot. You need your eyesight and hearing for all the good stuff in life. Just like sex though, practice makes perfect and is lots of fun. This brings up the best advice I ever got from an instructor. Sight alignment and smooth trigger control mean everthing.
Jerking the trigger and not seeing the target clearly will screw it up everytime. He said "Sight it in like you are looking at your girl's tits and squeeze the trigger just like you would her tits."
Dart

[burkalini]

I'm sorry as a Vet and one that has seen what guns can do I wish that all the fucking guns in the world were melted down and something useful was made out of them. I understand the need for protection and don't live in a fantasy world but nothing good ever comes out of them. Just misery and hate. Ok that's my 2 cents

[Jackie S]

burkaini, history has taught us that those that melt their weapons down in order to make plows will soon be plowing for those that chose not too.

But I do understand your position.

[Yachtmaster]

Originally Posted by anova444

Thanks for all of the advise every one! Chainsaw Anthropologist, that PMR-30 looks pretty sexy and I like the fact that it can use small or larger bullets.

Happy New Year, every one.

If target shooting, one of the most important things is the trigger. I find a light trigger makes for much better accuracy. By light I mean it doesn't take much force to pull the trigger. A longer barrel generally will be more accurate as well. Eventually you'll get tired of shooting targets at 25' and want to move them out further and further and an accurate shooting gun will be a lot more fun. Good luck with whichever way you go.

[anova444]

^Thanks

[Laurentius]

Originally Posted by Dartswinger

Laurentius, FNAR is pretty cool til you find out extra magazines are almost $80.00!!!

Actually, I picked up a couple for $85 each, so they aren't cheap, that's for sure.

But to put it in context, I have often paid several times that amount of money just for an hour or a provider's time; so it's not *that* much money. And man, are those magazines ever solid -- those suckers are like tanks. If the gun were to jam, I could beat someone to death with the magazine -- and that's unloaded!

I love fine machining. There's just something about mastery over metal.

I've already busted out my hornady OAL length gage to measure to the lands, fired a round to measure headspace with my rcbs precision mic, and am about ready to set the dies up.

I'm still on the fence on whether to go with IMR-4064 or Varget. Since it's a gas gun in .308 I'm leaning toward 4064; but I've had great luck with varget in my M1A.

[ed_mustafa]

My comments are in RED.

Originally Posted by charlestudor2005

This is great advice.

About the dog. You'll have to train him/her very well. A quality dog will cost you, and the training will cost you even more. Keeping him/her healthy is expensive also. S/he's gotta be trained to leave you and any "friend" alone at the incall unless your friend gets out of line. This kind of training is expensive, but well worth it and much better company than a pistol.

I'd suggest getting a titled dog if you're looking to get one for protection. A Schutzhund titled German Shepard's go for 3-4K. A titled dog will already have the training done. Training the new owner is another thing entirely.You'd spend this amount of $ after getting a pup, vet bills and training with a club. The bonus is you get to see how good the dog is. If it has a title (schutzhund or any of the ring sports), it's probably going to get the job done fine.

Read up on the breeds. Some are better than others at this kind of thing. I think it was one of the branches of military that went to Dobermans because once you gave the "attack" command, you couldn't recall it. Generally speaking, I think, German Shepherds tend to be the best breeds for this kind of training. Another breed that should be considered is a Rottweiler, although they tend to be somewhat mean and uncontrollable for my taste.

For most people looking for a person protection dog, a German Shepard from WORKING LINES is a safe bet. Germans have pretty much split into show lines (iffy health and no mind for working) and working lines (doesn't meet appearance standards, but tend to have better health). Rotties as a breed are a shadow of what they used to be from poor breeding practices.

Keep in mind these are all big dogs. They'll need good daily exercise, and if you don't have a large back yard in which they can run around, you'll have to be pretty intentional about exercising them. If you're a runner, you can train them to run with you. In a city like Dallas, there are probably lots of places for exercise for a dog.

Charles is right on the money about exercising them. Germans tend to be more forgiving than Malinios or Dutch Shepards (other common breeds for K-9's). Don't get a "high drive" dog. It might sound good to get, but 1) any reputable breeder wouldn't sell a novice a high drive dog, 2) This is what you'd have to live with: http://leerburg.com/playem.htm?name=...drivepuppy.flv

Originally Posted by Jackie S

I shot a 500 S&W Mag a while back, even with the Factory Muzzle Brake, it is a VERY serious piece of equipment to handle. Not for the faint of heart.

I have a 7.5" Freedom 454 casull(unported). How does the recoil compare?

Originally Posted by Laurentius

but I've had great luck with varget in my M1A.

People still shoot those? (ducking for cover). Kidding, used to shoot an M1A in high power (service Rifle). Now it's an AR. And I still have the M1A (4 of them)