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Old 12-03-2010, 10:53 AM   #31
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They are not going to shoot or execute anyone. Sheesh!

Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen are cooling their heels in max for the rest of their lives and if convicted that is what will happen.

If the kid is that good of a hacker then use him in prison for cigarettes or a candy bar once a week.
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Old 12-03-2010, 01:15 PM   #32
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Sorry Papa my comment was directed at JG not you. I did not see the reason he even mentioned him other than he disagreed with JG and I guess that was his "problem".
I don't know why I thought you were referring to me in the post, sorry about that. It was getting too close for my bedtime and I must have read your post wrong.
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Old 12-03-2010, 06:06 PM   #33
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They are not going to shoot or execute anyone. Sheesh!

Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen are cooling their heels in max for the rest of their lives and if convicted that is what will happen.

If the kid is that good of a hacker then use him in prison for cigarettes or a candy bar once a week.
Was Hanssen subject to the UCMJ? I don't recall that he was. This PFC Manning will be, and if the charge is treason, am I mistaken in saying that the punishment could be execution?

Still find it hard to believe that a PFC could pull this off by himself. He had to have had some help from someone higher up.
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Old 12-03-2010, 06:26 PM   #34
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[quote=sipapi;806319 our principles should not be compromised.

I'll get off my soapbox and back to surfing porn now.[/quote]


ROTFLMAO! Principles! Think I'll go back to the porn too. We agree one thing at least!
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Old 12-03-2010, 06:57 PM   #35
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I kind of agree with Ron Paul. How is what Wiki-leaks did different from when the NY Times revealed classified information about the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretapping of suspected terrorists' international phone calls? If anyone deserves prosecution, it is the PFC that released the info. But even that, according to Judge Napolitano in the video below, has a Supreme Court precedent that might protect what the PFC did under the First Amendment. I am not familiar with the case that he cites. The point is, why shouldn't Assange be given the same protection as the press? Would it only be because he doesn't publish a newspaper or produce a news program? That, as far as I see it, is merely a technicality.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...05-503544.html

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/44462...ylist_id=87185

Wiki-Leaks comments start at 4:50 in the video, but the rest about the Federal Reserve is pretty good as well.
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:41 AM   #36
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Try them all for treason, if convicted shoot them. I mean they sent scooter libby to prison for releasing the name of a CIA agent who was not even working in the field any longer and you got this PFC giving away information that could put many people in harms way, and then this rapist running around releasing information which could damage diplomatic relationships which could lead to bloodshed. The only people I could see agreeing with leaking this information is someone like Longermonger a very far left individual.
Miss me?

Did they all commit treason?
Is the penalty death by firing squad?
Did Scooter Libby spend even one day in prison?
Was Libby convicted for releasing the name of a CIA agent?
Was Valerie Plame Wilson "not even working in the field any longer"?
Why does the PFC have access to all of that information?
How did he physically download all of that info without getting caught immediately?
Did he do it alone?
What info did he download?
Did anyone actually get harmed?
Did the Swedish/Australian rape anyone?
Where?
Who?
What are the details?
Has he been convicted?
What country?

Lastly, none of you have thought to ask what the motive of the WikiLeaks guys is. Well? Are they leakin' just for the lulz?

Guys, you might have to answer some of these questions for DD. He needs the help.
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Old 12-06-2010, 03:46 AM   #37
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It was revealed that Scooty Libby did not release the name of Valeria Plame. Richard Armitage admitted that it was him but that didn't serve the template. Libby was convicting of "lying" to investigators when he was interviewed about a 10 minute meeting that had taken place two years earlier. Seems he said he didn't remember everything that was discussed or who was present.
1. Novak claimed Armitage was his primary source, but had to look Wilson's wife's maiden name (Plame) up in Who's Who. If he HAD given her name (among other qualifiers) he might be suffering Scooter Libby's fate right now. (smell the sarcasm)

2. Scooter Libby had already leaked to reporter Judith Miller up to two weeks before Armitage, then Rove leaked to Novak. Miller never wrote an article, Novak did.

3. Libby was convicted of 4 felonies. He's not just your average liar. He also lied about forgetting things to save his ass.

4. Cheney's fingerprints are (literally) all over this scandal.
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Old 12-06-2010, 09:58 AM   #38
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Miss me? - NO not really, in fact the mention of your name is only because you best fit the description of a ultra liberal individual and you are familar to everyone. Sorry if you do not like the ultra liberal title.

Did they all commit treason? Who is the all in this question.
Is the penalty death by firing squad? - dont know is it.
Did Scooter Libby spend even one day in prison? I dont believe he did, although he did lose all of his civil rights, although I believe he will get those retored when elgible. He was not pardoned, his sentence was commuted.
Was Libby convicted for releasing the name of a CIA agent? I dont believe that was the acutally charge but it sorrounded this incident, here your liberal reflex defense reactions kicked in, when you should have actually digested what I said, I am not saying Libby should not have been charged. What I am saying was that the release of information was felt to be vitally important to the left when it was libby and it should be just as important now.
Was Valerie Plame Wilson "not even working in the field any longer"? Well I am sure the movie will show here and Penn were ultra secret agents who saved the world on a daily basis, but the reality is she was pretty much desk bound by this point in her career. But regardless leaking of government information is wrong.
Why does the PFC have access to all of that information? I am not sure, dont know what his job title is, I am sure the government computer system is behind the times and easy to get into, why Bush did not tighten this up nor Obama is beyond me and has been stated before should be an issue that is looked into.
How did he physically download all of that info without getting caught immediately? Typical government in action, out dated equipment and poor security, glad they run the government now. But since government security is not in my job title I leave that up to those who get paid to address this.
Did he do it alone? Probably not, hopefully Mr Holder and his crew will find this out for us.
What info did he download? Dont know all of it, only what has been released via the media, I am busy with other issues and not really spending a lot of time looking into this, I have my own battle with the government going on at this time.
Did anyone actually get harmed? Probably not, but do we wait around and let this go unpunnished until someone actually gets killed?
Did the Swedish/Australian rape anyone? Who knows, I am not a rape investigator and this really has nothing to do with what the private did, unless your saying the private was raped by him.
Where? Dont know, do you have any holes that are hurtin LOL.
Who? Dont know, this is not part of the PVT's actions as far as I know.
What are the details? Dont care, not interested he can fuck whoever he wants, not part of the PVT's actions.
Has he been convicted? I dont think so.
What country? Enie menie minie mo, pick one whats this have to do with what the PVT did.

Lastly, none of you have thought to ask what the motive of the WikiLeaks guys is. Well? Dont know, don't care, I only care when classified information is leaked. I am not advocating shutting Wikki down, just prosequting those who release classified information.

Guys, you might have to answer some of these questions for DD. He needs the help

Why because I understand how potentialy dangerous leaking GOV information is, and how dangerous a liberal with an anti Bush agenda is, because they would be more concerned with harming Bush than thinking about the potential collaterial damage of releasing information. No LM I understand people like you quite well. Have a great day, sunshine party pants, oh shit sorry forgot I wasn't suppose to mention your gay porn screen name. LOL laugh man it's all in fun.

By the way where have you been, this boards been pretty quite for a while.
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Old 12-06-2010, 10:33 AM   #39
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http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...ge+Act+of+1917
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Old 12-06-2010, 01:46 PM   #40
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For those who question how this PFC got access to government computers....while I was in the military, I was made 'information services security officer'. Mainly, it was because I was the only one in the entire organization in a uniform, and I couldn't say no.

The only problem: I don't know JACK about computer hacking. (I was considered the 'hacker', because I knew how to do cool stuff with powerpoint - no kidding).

I did rub elbows with other 'IS Experts' on the base. These people were self appointed experts, almost worshipped for their abilities...and they didn't know JACK about computer hacking either.

Anyway, I don't see a high level conspiracy with this PFC. I don't think he needed any assistance or looking the other way from supervisors. Government computers are just really not that impenetrable.
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Old 12-07-2010, 02:42 AM   #41
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Motive? Anybody...?
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:15 AM   #42
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Motive? After years of the press demonizing the Bush administration he probably thought he was a hero even after Bush left.
Could be ego or money. The story is not all out there yet.
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Old 12-07-2010, 03:27 AM   #43
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...so the press demonized Bush...and an Australian hacker who's not the press...decides to risk his life...by releasing information...that will damage the Obama Administration...allegedly...u hhh...what?
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:31 AM   #44
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Regardless of the motivation if he is releasing classified information he is guilty of espionage, the person releasing the information to him is guilty of treason. His motivation is unimportant, you cant chose to break the law just because you think its the right thing to do. I doubt he is risking his life releasing US information, but the Russians and China well thats not real smart. I dont believe the Wiki leaks is out to demonize Bush, that was not my point, nor do I think its out to hurt Obama specifically more just the US in general. However my point was that failure to address this release of information by the legal system may lead others who have a specific agenda like those who still want to attack Bush, to release information that they feel hurts Bush but they do not see the collateral damage this leak may cause and they end up releasing vital information. It could be Bush or Obama or any political figure, its just a bad precident to set, this is why its important to go after those involved and punish them in the legal system. Although the Australian my have bigger problems than Wikileaks.
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Old 12-07-2010, 10:15 AM   #45
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News says he's been arrested in UK (on some strange Swedish charge of having sex with two women close together, and refusing to use a condom). He has been denied bail....and quite frankly, he might be safest in a UK prison.

Now the circus really starts...but I think this guy may have bit of more than he can chew....and could be in real trouble.

The big problem I see - if you were from another nation, would you give information to the US? Knowing that we had a problem holding onto information? Probably not. It seems like any gains made in human intelligence in the last 9 years will have been erased by this man.
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