Busted by phone

[Alyssa Monroe]

Originally Posted by Crock

How would that change anything? Are you saying you recognize the voice of people you've only met once or a few times?

as providers we do a lot of administrative work, conversing with different people daily. We can tell who's serious and whos BS just by their tone, what they say and don't say.
but Intuition is number one.

[GinaXXX]

Please be aware that emails, texts and phone calls are useless in court because LE cannot prove who is at the other end doing the emailing/texting/calling.

LE must get YOU face to face having the money+services conversation in order to have a solid case against you.

Being arrested is NOT the same as being convicted though. You can be arrested for basically nothing (ie: probable cause) but you will not be convicted (if you go to trial) unless there is some proof, which in this case would be the face to face agreement.

The case is usually tossed before going to trial if there is no proof, with or without a lawyer. If they don't have the proof they want, they often dismiss the charges prior to trial.

Always,
Gina

[shooter6.5]

Also make sure that the record of the arrest is deleted from the electronic system, otherwise it stays with you for life and depending on your job can be a problem. It is called expunging your record. It is simple to do but you are best to hire a lawyer to do.

I could go into many examples where this has been an unintended anchor for jobs, LTC and other things but I am old and tired.

[I.EAT.CLAM]

Another question of legality is, was there “offer and acceptance” for a sexual act? They usually have to have that in order to prosecute. If it was just about a time and place to meet, they ain’t got shit. Everyday conversations and assumptions don’t hold up. If the text said “I’m available to meet for hour or half hour” and you replied, “hour. Where you at” or anything along those lines, they don’t have a case. She has to mention a sexual “offer” for an amount and you agree and pay (“acceptance”). Or they don’t have case.

[Crock]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Please be aware that emails, texts and phone calls are useless in court because LE cannot prove who is at the other end doing the emailing/texting/calling.

Absolutely untrue in Texas.

[GingerKatt]

Well, at some point you have to let a prospective friend know what your time is worth, and for different lengths of time. We can’t put it on our Showcase, or Bio page, anymore.
And he’s going to want to know if you’re GFE, covered BJ, FS, or speak Greek. And other activities.
Is it safe to give this info in a PM on this site? I don’t really want to build a private website with all that info; it could potentially be used by LE.
But a visitor DOES need to know what to expect during his visit and the proper gift to bring.

Right now we can put gift amounts on P411 but not activities. But the gift amounts may go away in January. And only members of P411 can access your profile.
So is a phone conversation the best way to convey the needed info? Or a PM?

[Guest083119]

You can have it in your signature line or on your avatar here, for now.

[Guest083119]

Originally Posted by GinaXXX

Please be aware that emails, texts and phone calls are useless in court because LE cannot prove who is at the other end doing the emailing/texting/calling.

LE must get YOU face to face having the money+services conversation in order to have a solid case against you.

Being arrested is NOT the same as being convicted though. You can be arrested for basically nothing (ie: probable cause) but you will not be convicted (if you go to trial) unless there is some proof, which in this case would be the face to face agreement.

The case is usually tossed before going to trial if there is no proof, with or without a lawyer. If they don't have the proof they want, they often dismiss the charges prior to trial.

Always,
Gina

Originally Posted by Crock

Absolutely untrue in Texas.

They must have a nexus between the phone or text and the person. That is why they will many times tell the target to bring condoms or something that not only proves (s)he's the person involved but also that there is intent to have sex.

But, unfortunately crock is correct that those things do hold some weight in court. And technology is making it even more likely to be admissible.

[Crock]

Originally Posted by B Three

And technology is making it even more likely to be admissible.

Ironically, it's our own paranoia (setting PINs, fingerprints and facial recognition locks on our phones) that makes it easy to demonstrate believably in court that you are the only one that has access to your phone.

[GinaXXX]

Originally Posted by B Three

T
crock is correct that those things do hold some weight in court.

Yes, correct to a certain degree, but emails/texts/phone only support what would be considered "real" evidence (face to face interaction) though.

Email/text/phone by itself is not enough to have "a case" against anyone. Otherwise all LE would need to do is swoop in and arrest every person linked to a reviewer persona or ad. But that's not how it works... they still have to get you face to face agreeing to more than time for money to have a case, so they can show YOU are the person involved and agreeing.

They may use text/email/phone as "supporting" evidence, but alone it's not enough because it's very simple to say "I didn't write that email, send that text, make that call. It was a pissed off boyfriend, roommate, etc...." IF that's all they have.

Always,
Gina

[Guest083119]

Exactly, they can't find a random phone on the street and prosecute someone based on that as their evidence.

The issue is this...Cops, if they do it properly, can legal confiscate a phone as evidence used in the course of a crime. They can, if they have access to info contained, contact a guy in the phone and says via text...

"Hey, I'm Horny...wanna get together again...I can give you a deal."

"Hell, yeah...how much for an hour of GFE?"

"$250...can you be here right at 3pm?" (gives address of motel)

"Yes!"

"Hey, can you bring your some condoms and a bottle wine"

"Absolutely!"

Then the dude shows up at 3pm with condoms and wine and BOOM. He's arrested. And that would be a valid bust. Conviction would also be possible, but it's not a slam dunk.

[Crock]

Originally Posted by B Three

Then the dude shows up at 3pm with condoms and wine and BOOM. He's arrested. And that would be a valid bust. Conviction would also be possible, but it's not a slam dunk.

To be precise, after all that with the phone, he could show up, not say another word, and be convicted. The phone interaction positively ties the person that showed up to an offer for sex.

If someone has phone interaction as described above, and never shows up for a face to face meeting has very little to worry about. So, if that's what you meant, Gina, then, yes, the phone interaction by itself probably won't get anyone in trouble.

Heck, in Texas, you can be charged with a crime for simply being in an area where prostitution is known to occur without having a legitimate reason to be there. That's a crime here.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by Randilyn

this is why i do not do the texting thing with anyone when it comes to making new friends or seeing already made friends ... you never know who is on the other end of the text ... i make everyone call me directly for reasons like this ... sorry that this happend to you

Same here. I've always prefered chatting to them, rather than texting.

[rexdutchman]

Its simple NO talk of money/sex , ( providers should have "modeling per hour " listed)
Meet ( I don't do hotels motels just me ) Kiss and hug ( LE probl not going to) leave funds plain sight w/o saying and Hobby on

[carson38]