Democracy in Action

[HDGristle]

I oppose self-serving clowns for being self-serving clowns even when they give me some good stuff.

[berryberry]

So you are just like Nancy Mace (who by the way voted for the Rules package the 20 patriots from the Freedom Caucus stood up for and negotiated). You like the results and can't complain about them but you are just upset because well, you don't like the people involved who fought for positive changes.

Not surprising for several reasons

[HDGristle]

I like some of the results and can complain about others. I'm under no obligation to. Even for the things I like, I absolutely think how they were achieved and the fundraising motives behind them, from folks that plan to vote on term limits that won't pass but don't have the balls to personally limit their own terms and who don't negotiate in good faith make them untrustworthy, self-serving clowns.

We don't need more Freedom Caucus bullshit. We need more moderates, on both sides. I've been clear on that.

[berryberry]

Yeah, we know you prefer the left (who you pretend are moderates) and dislike strong conservatives like the Freedom Caucus who helped fundamentally transform the 118th Congress in a positive manner

[HDGristle]

Pretend and posture as you may, you don't know my voting record or my likes. I like very, very few candidates on either side these days and we're all that much poorer for it.

Self-centered hyperpartisans aren't good for this country. And when they're also clowns, we all lose.

[rmg_35]

These 20 aren't patriots, they are total fucking extremist clowns. The house is a complete Shitshow with 11 assholes who voted to reject the 2020 election because of massive voter fraud with no evidence heading committees.

The biggest joke is Jim Jordan heading the judiciary committee. He has absolutely no morals or ethics. One of the biggest assholes in congress.

Some are very confessed what a patriot is. It's not election denying pieces of shit who lick tRumps boots. It's people who stand up for what is right no matter what the cost. Liz Chaney, Mitt Romney, Adam Kiplinger, the late John McCain. Tom Rice, Dan Newhouse, to name a few. They stood up with honor and integrity against most of there party. Unlike the maga cowards who supported tRumps coop and refused to testify. That not being a patriot.

[berryberry]

I don't have to pretend nor posture. Everyone can read your posts here and know you are a leftist

And calling 20 patriots self-centered because they were willing to take a stand and help fundamentally transform Congress in a positive manner, restoring power to the people and getting rid of the Der Fuhrer Drunken Pelosi Dictator model is absurd

[HDGristle]

Again, we will continue to disagree.

That said, the notion of power being returned to the people is utter crap. Chizzy has laid out why on numerous occasions, very clearly.