Rand Paul does not blame Obama for Iraq crisis

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I don't know what you mean by "blame"....but the consequences of Obama's policy of no Status of Forces Agreement is clearly on Obama and no one else. In 2011, Iraq was stable. Obama didn't want to leave troops behind (might be a correct decision); but the resulting consequences of not leaving military in country is squarely on Obama. The current ISIS takeover can be blamed on Obama - NOT Bush !

When asked back in January 2014 about ISIS taking over Fallujah and flying the Al Qaeda flag, Obama responded, by dismissing ISIS has a non threat:

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,”

Obama has been wrong on almost all issues; the Iraq fall is one of the many consequences.

How come anyone with anything on the ball except you dimaturds state the lack of legal immunity was the sticking point? I guess if you would admit you don't care if the troops have it or not it would make you look stupid, and if you agreed it would weaken your venom at Obie.

[Whirlaway]

The lack of legal immunity?????????????????

You are the only one chriping that bullshit.........

Obama is on record saying he didn't want a Status of Forces Agreement.

From the 2012 Presidential Debate against Romney:

"With regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should be a status of forces agreement," Romney told Obama as the two convened on the Lynn University campus in Boca Raton, Fla., that October evening. "That’s not true," Obama interjected. “Oh, you didn't want a status of forces agreement?” Romney asked as an argument ensued. “No,” Obama said. “What I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ing-different/

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

The lack of legal immunity?????????????????

You are the only one chriping that bullshit.........

Obama is on record saying he didn't want a Status of Forces Agreement.

From the 2012 Presidential Debate against Romney:

"With regards to Iraq, you and I agreed, I believe, that there should be a status of forces agreement," Romney told Obama as the two convened on the Lynn University campus in Boca Raton, Fla., that October evening. "That’s not true," Obama interjected. “Oh, you didn't want a status of forces agreement?” Romney asked as an argument ensued. “No,” Obama said. “What I would not have done is left 10,000 troops in Iraq that would tie us down. That certainly would not help us in the Middle East.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ing-different/

It is a moot point now that it has been granted, but I really wanted you to state that you didn't care if American military members were prosecuted in Iraq courts.

[Rogue_Gent]

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...utopsy/373225/

Even liberals are blaming Obama about whats happening in Iraq.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

It is a moot point now that it has been granted, but I really wanted you to state that you didn't care if American military members were prosecuted in Iraq courts.

1) Odumbo failed to negotiate in good faith to secure a SOFA agreement, Ekim the Inbred Chimp, but 2) a SOFA agreement was not the only option for Odumbo to leave U.S. troops in Iraq with the guarantee that U.S. troops would not be subject to prosecution in Iraqi courts, moron.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

I don't know what you mean by "blame"....but the consequences of Obama's policy of no Status of Forces Agreement is clearly on Obama and no one else. In 2011, Iraq was stable. Obama didn't want to leave troops behind (might be a correct decision); but the resulting consequences of not leaving military in country is squarely on Obama. The current ISIS takeover can be blamed on Obama - NOT Bush !

When asked back in January 2014 about ISIS taking over Fallujah and flying the Al Qaeda flag, Obama responded, by dismissing ISIS has a non threat:

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,”

Obama has been wrong on almost all issues; the Iraq fall is one of the many consequences.

I guess the first sentence of your post pretty much covers it:

"I don't know what you mean by 'blame'."

The fucking gall. How about blame along the lines of none of this ever would have happened but for GOP presidential policy in relation to Iraq from the years 2003 through 2008? Fucking idiot.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Rogue_Gent

http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...utopsy/373225/

Even liberals are blaming Obama about whats happening in Iraq.

He probably should be blamed. He hasn't handled it right. Who the fuck would have? What way is there to "handle it?" The only other policy alternative I've seen anybody offer here, or anywhere else, is to keep American combat troops there indefinitely. Yeah, great idea.....we could be fighting ISIS now and incurring additional KIA/WIA. For what?

Good fucking plan.

We need to cut those people loose. We never should have been there, we shouldn't be there now and we shouldn't be there in the future. Is that not painfully fucking obvious to even the most conservative fucking idiot on here?

[cowboy8055]

Originally Posted by timpage

We need to cut those people loose. We never should have been there, we shouldn't be there now and we shouldn't be there in the future. Is that not painfully fucking obvious to even the most conservative fucking idiot on here?

Yep, let it burn. If the Sunni and Shia want to kill each other then let them. No way we should get in the middle of that.

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

1) Odumbo failed to negotiate in good faith to secure a SOFA agreement, Ekim the Inbred Chimp, but 2) a SOFA agreement was not the only option for Odumbo to leave U.S. troops in Iraq with the guarantee that U.S. troops would not be subject to prosecution in Iraqi courts, moron.

You are another one I wanted you to stand on your hind legs and proclaim that you did not care if out military members were prosecuted in Iraq courts. Period, no if's and's or but's.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You are another one I wanted you to stand on your hind legs and proclaim that you did not care if out military members were prosecuted in Iraq courts. Period, no if's and's or but's.

Your premise is as faulty and full of holes as your pappy's condom, Ekim the Inbred Chimp. Your contention that Odumbo couldn't work out a SOFA agreement if he'd made a genuine effort or that any U.S. troops left in Iraq would automatically be subject to Iraqi justice is complete and utter BS, Ekim the Inbred Chimp.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by timpage

He probably should be blamed. He hasn't handled it right. Who the fuck would have? What way is there to "handle it?" The only other policy alternative I've seen anybody offer here, or anywhere else, is to keep American combat troops there indefinitely. Yeah, great idea.....we could be fighting ISIS now and incurring additional KIA/WIA. For what?

Good fucking plan.

We need to cut those people loose. We never should have been there, we shouldn't be there now and we shouldn't be there in the future. Is that not painfully fucking obvious to even the most conservative fucking idiot on here?

+10000 on this.
Sometimes you get a nut that is too hard to crack.
The second we leave Afghanistan, the same thing is going to happen. Western ideas of free thought, free expression, and freedom period does not work over there.
It's that whole "Muslim Thing".

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Your premise is as faulty and full of holes as your pappy's condom, Ekim the Inbred Chimp. Your contention that Odumbo couldn't work out a SOFA agreement if he'd made a genuine effort or that any U.S. troops left in Iraq would automatically be subject to Iraqi justice is complete and utter BS, Ekim the Inbred Chimp.

Then why did Maliki fold up and agree to have legal immunity for the military members coming to give support since his dick is in the dirt with ISSIS chimp dick? Was the if's and's and but's too complicated for you? Just because you were not wanted does not apply to others.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Then why did Maliki fold up and agree to have legal immunity for the military members coming to give support since his dick is in the dirt with ISSIS chimp dick? Was the if's and's and but's too complicated for you? Just because you were not wanted does not apply to others.

Malaki approved of and wanted Odumbo to leave 8 to 20,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, Ekim the Inbred Chimp. It was Odumbo, negotiating in bad faith, who set up preconditions that caused the SOFA talks to fail, Ekim the Inbred Chimp.

[Whirlaway]

Originally Posted by timpage

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The fucking gall. How about blame along the lines of none of this ever would have happened but for GOP presidential policy in relation to Iraq from the years 2003 through 2008? Fucking idiot.

The Iraq fiasco is along thread; so let's pull it............

Bush wouldn't have gone into Iraq if Bill Clinton hadn't made it US policy to have "regime change" in Iraq. And Bush wouldn't have gone into Iraq had Clinton not promoted the "Iraq Has Weapons Of Mass Destruction And Will Use Them" lie in 1998. Oh yeah, and Bush wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq if the Democratic leadership didn't perpetuate the lie that Iraq had WMDs. And add that Bush wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq without the support of Democrats in the Senate.

You are a fucking idiot thinking this started with Bush!


But make no mistake - Bush left Iraq as a stable state; so much so that Obama was claiming Iraq to be one of their crowning achievements. Obama didn't want a SOFA and pulled out; the rest is history. What is happening in Iraq and the middle east is the direct result of a combination of failed Obama policies in that region.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...s/clinton.html

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Malaki approved of and wanted Odumbo to leave 8 to 20,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, Ekim the Inbred Chimp. It was Odumbo, negotiating in bad faith, who set up preconditions that caused the SOFA talks to fail, Ekim the Inbred Chimp.

LMAO too chicken shit to admit it, so you talk in circles, and lies...You are dismissed chimp dick..