Religion...

[Guest121613]

perhaps, but there is flawed logic, that because evil exists, God is not omnipotent, or does not exist because. The flaw is that man presupposes that God should behave to how man expects him to behave, so this no proof either way. I simply see it free will.

It also not fair for me to pick on Epicurus, as he lived 300BC, and the majority of religions his region of Europe involved the worship of idols, and various forms of polytheism.

Originally Posted by Doove

I would argue it presupposes how God should behave within the confines of behavior, human or otherwise. But if you wish to limit it to the confines of human behavior, ok. Then, however, it only goes to also point out the hypocrisy of God.

[Guest091813]

i gave up on religion long time ago..as they have been over run by religious mucks who have been medicated by overrun governmental beliefs as well as Pharmaceutical parasites..
they are all a ball of parasites that have become the vomit of society.... need i use more big words for ya'll to understand that shit just ain't right......

[Guest091813]

..he just wants us to be happy for each other and to love each other...and to help each other...live in peace..and be joyous..
it doesnt get much clearer than that...cept for those that challenge that...

[JONBALLS]

Im stuck between" the paternity results from a trick baby" and the" somewhat"

i would think they might be related

I seem to pray more during the maurey pauvich shpw but maybe I did enough somewhat?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

perhaps, but there is flawed logic, that because evil exists, God is not omnipotent, or does not exist because. The flaw is that man presupposes that God should behave to how man expects him to behave, so this no proof either way. I simply see it free will.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, to be honest with ya. If you're suggesting that evil exists in the world because of free will, i would simply point out that there is plenty of evil that occurs totally outside the control of any human being.

And the only real flaw exists if there is some sort of higher logic that we're all unaware of. If God can stop evil but chooses not to, i think that's pretty self explanatory as to what it means, free will or not.

[offshoredrilling]

Oh please tebow. have her sit on my face

[Guest120615-3]

Originally Posted by anita germane

..he just wants us to be happy for each other and to love each other...and to help each other...live in peace..and be joyous..
it doesnt get much clearer than that...cept for those that challenge that...

Good point. Organized religion can expose the failures of man, not necessarily God.

Originally Posted by Doove

And the only real flaw exists if there is some sort of higher logic that we're all unaware of. If God can stop evil but chooses not to, i think that's pretty self explanatory as to what it means, free will or not.

I have always believed in a God that suffers as well by our "evil" choices. In the grand scheme, it might be a necessity. The challenges, trials and tribulations of this world permit our own personal growth. We would never have an opportunity to show kindness, mercy, charity to others if a God always interceded.

And sometimes on a evolutionary perspective, maybe we just need to thin the herd.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by mwebber

In the grand scheme, it might be a necessity. The challenges, trials and tribulations of this world permit our own personal growth. We would never have an opportunity to show kindness, mercy, charity to others if a God always interceded.

That sounds like a fair point, but if i may, it sounds as if you're suggesting that God welcomes evil, while at the same time he punishes those responsible for it.

We can figure out ways to rationalize pretty much anything. Personally, when it comes to the existence and behavior of a God, i just choose to take everything at face value.

[Guest091813]

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[Guest091813]

anyone preachin to you..well my advice,,,run fast...ummmm yeah.....r....u..

[pyramider]

Anita, taint tickling can be a religious experience.

[Guest120615-3]

Originally Posted by Doove

That sounds like a fair point, but if i may, it sounds as if you're suggesting that God welcomes evil, while at the same time he punishes those responsible for it.

We can figure out ways to rationalize pretty much anything. Personally, when it comes to the existence and behavior of a God, i just choose to take everything at face value.

"Welcomes" and "punishes" maybe not. How about "forgives." We have been using this term "evil" and can't help to think of some the impoverished and disabled that I've come across. They are the happiest, most wonderful people I've had the privileged of meeting. Perhaps we have all been given gifts beyond our capabilities of understanding.

And yes, we can rationalize pretty much anything. Our belief systems is predicated by each individual's experience and their questions. Our understanding of a higher being, our faith (or lack thereof) is developed and takes a process.

Gotta go, soulless Zombies are on TV!

[DDarkness]

Originally Posted by mwebber

Sorry DD. That was not God but Satan.

I now realize the flaw of my poll. I neglected those who worship the Devil. My apologies!


Funny... God has the Bible, Torah and Quran but we never here the Devil's side of the story. Slayer at the gym for me for repentance.

MW,

You may be right ... but then again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvObIj7MKXY

DD

[DDarkness]

Originally Posted by anita germane

i gave up on religion long time ago..as they have been over run by religious mucks who have been medicated by overrun governmental beliefs as well as Pharmaceutical parasites..
they are all a ball of parasites that have become the vomit of society.... need i use more big words for ya'll to understand that shit just ain't right......

Don't give up

[Guest091813]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

LMAO

God talks to the guy below too!

omg!! I loved that guy!!