Conditional "grandfathering" of rates.

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by Hercules

An attitude of punishing me for not being her loyal puppy dog......well it just pisses me off.

So let me get this straight, she raised her rates, she let you know she is not grandfathering you, and you think she is punishing you?

Your not entitled to anything, so if your not happy about the new rate simply find someone whose rates work for you, instead of posting a whiney thread.

[Likinikki]

Y'all are making this way too difficult! This should be real simple..........
If a provider decides to give you a grandfather rate within her time frame, then good for you! If she doesn't, then either pay her new rate or just move on! Why the hell would you want to raise your blood pressure?...

Lana, couldn't agree with you more! While I respect your opinion, Hercules...and understand why you may feel *disrespected*...at the end of the day, it's her body and option to run her business as she sees fit.

Some hobbyists forget about the line between reality and fantasy. They feel they're *ENTITLED* to preferential treatment...and, should have carte blanche access to a provider, simply because they've spent X $'s to spend time with them.

Please remember, DONATIONS are required...grandfathering donations, allowing extra time, discounts, etc, are all a COURTESY!

Many providers have stopped all of the above...due to some losers taking advantage of them...or the constant berating they experience for being forthright about their requirements...and getting thrown under the bus for not meeting a disgruntled hobbyist's EXPECTATIONS.

Respect and Courtesy go both ways.

[Guest082513-02]

Ok... IMO... rates dont increase as a personal punishment to you guys. YOU Must remember this is a business. There is more in it (for most) then showing up at a door. There is gas, wear and tear on cars, incalls, and the supplies that go along with it.. like covers. If a rate is $$$....u can bet that that isnt ALL profit.
Grandfathered in... i would assume someone I have seen in the last 6 months. Anyone I have not screened in the last 6 months.. is considered new and gets screened again.. Much can happen in 6 months.. So that is time that WE take to do screening.. NOT just an hour to see you but the back and forth time it takes to get u screened again. So yea.. I would have to say if I have not seen you in six months... youre not getting grandfathered in.
Guys need to stop focusing on complaining about rates being raised or any of that as a personal attack rather Look at as a business. Just recently the stockmarket went to a major downfall... many men got in a panic and couldnt afford the higher rates plus there are many family men who are starting kids back in school. So a smart woman would lower her rates temp... but stockmarket went up... kids are school... raise rates back up. Its not personal guys... its a business.

[L.A.]

I have a few thoughts on this but doubt I'll be able to express my thoughts in a coherent manner.

Of course providers have the choice and right to set their rates at whatever they choose. This is not wallyworld...the transaction between provider and client is (or should be imho) a very personal one and emotions will be involved.

This is my thought process.
I see Mary in March and we have a great time and the rate was 200. Maybe I see her again in April and again very nice. Mary decides to raise her rates to 300. I don't generally hobby THAT often anymore but now a few months have passed and I want to see her again but notice her rates are now 300 which I've determined are more than I'm willing to spend for an hour.
So what can happen?

1. I can choose not to contact her because that rate is out of my range and I dont want to "insult" her by asking for a previous rate.

2. I can choose to contact her and remind her of our time together a few months ago and see if our original rate will be honored. If she agrees to this earlier rate how will that impact our session? Will she be thinking I should be getting more than this cheap bastard is paying? Will I be thinking I'm seeing this provider and am getting a great discount...this is awesome?

3. She can decline the previous rate request and we both move on. What if she posts a special in a couple of weeks that was close to the original rate? As a client how would that make me feel? I would feel like she simply didn't want to see me.

What are my expectations from the session if I'm paying 100 more this time? If I saw you in March for 200 what am I getting that's different in August for 300? Will I be disappointed afterwards because my increased expectations are not being met?

I would NEVER tell a provider how to run their business. This post is my response to a rate increase\grandfathering and how that would make ME feel and react.

If there was a provider I liked I would probably just mention I saw her for 200 last time is that still her rate for us to spend time together. I would kinda figure if she liked me and we had a good time then she probably would and if the answer was no then I would move on thinking she really didn't care if she saw me or not.

[Sensia]

Again, this is a service. Your not dating her. She has no emotional tie to you. You are a customer. Period. If you are getting your feelings hurt over a rate raise, and take it as a personal attack then you need to re-evaluate yourself and the real reasons you are patronizing an escort.

Some escorts can see as many as 12 or more guys a week. Do you think that she will remember you after 5 - 6 months if you only saw her once or even twice? No. Unless you are a regular customer and you see her like clock work twice a week, then she is not going to remember you.

[Guest021812-3]

I'm going to regret this, but here's my breakdown of grandfathering rates. Please keep in mind, I'm a variety guy, so this doesn't affect me personally, I'm merely speaking generally.

Let's say a girl has decided to raise her rates. She believes that the market will bear her higher rates (i.e. her sessions are "worth" more than what she currently charges and there are enough men out there willing to pay her new rates). She now has a decision to make regarding whether or not to "grandfather" her regulars at her old rate.

There are 2 factors that should go into that decision.

1. She is afraid of losing some or all of her current customers. She has already established a certain value to her sessions and is afraid the new rates might drive them away. While she believes she can get the new rates from new customers, she can't afford to lose her current customer base, and this allows her to transition into the new rates.

In this scenario, the more regulars she develops at the new rate will lessen the value her old regulars paying the grandfathered rate hold with her. If she is successful with the new rate, ultimately she may continue to transition and drop her grandfathered clients perk of being grandfathered. Through savvy customer service, she may be able to transition some of those clients to the new rate, but ultimately her goal is eliminate the opportunity cost of seeing men at a reduced rate when she has others waiting to pay a higher rate.

2. The other use of grandfathering would be as an incentive to stay regular, a "frequent diner discount", if you will. Judging from many of the ladies' responses, this seems to often be the case. The thought process being "you see me often and stay a good respectful customer, and I'll reward you with a discount". This is good marketing, but, like any marketing program, is only effective if the parameters are fairly clear and structured. Or, to put it another way, it only works if the guys know what is expected of them.

Keep in mind everybody hobbies differently. One guy might think once every three months for a year makes him your most regular client. In his mind, if he only hobbies once a month and rarely sees the same girl, seeing you four times in a year may mean something totally different to him than it does to you. If you set clear parameters and make them known, it alleviates that confusion, and you don't get guys with their feelings hurt because their definition of "regular" is different than your's.

More importantly, setting those parameters makes your marketing more effective, as now everybody knows exactly what they have to do to keep on your grandfathered or discount rate.

[L.A.]

Originally Posted by Guilty Pleasures

She has no emotional tie to you. You are a customer. Period.

Some escorts can see as many as 12 or more guys a week. Do you think that she will remember you after 5 - 6 months if you only saw her once or even twice? No. Unless you are a regular customer and you see her like clock work twice a week, then she is not going to remember you.

Nice...so you are one that views us only as ATMs.
I would never see a provider twice that I didn't feel some sort of emotional connection to.

And I would estimate that MOST providers on here would disagree with you about needing to see a person twice a week like clockwork to actually remember them. But that's just my opinion...but then again I dont see just anybody.

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by L.A.

Nice...so you are one that views us only as ATMs.
I would never see a provider twice that I didn't feel some sort of emotional connection to.

And I would estimate that MOST providers on here would disagree with you about needing to see a person twice a week like clockwork to actually remember them. But that's just my opinion...but then again I dont see just anybody.

This whole nonsense about escorts seeing you only as an ATM is downright silly. It is a business, and escorts are in it for the money.

It is one thing to have a connection with a client. That is pretty much how it is with any business. You culitvate a relationship with your clients over time. But that doesn't mean you as a customer lose sight of reality. You as a customer are not entitled to anything above and beyond what is provided on a service level.

If the escort is not your cup of tea, move on. If her rates are more than your willing to pay, move on. Simple. If you really like the "service" your getting and can handle the rate increase then keep seeing her.

Edit: By the way, do you get this emotional with "Starbucks" when you buy coffee and they raise their rate on coffee? Do you feel that your doctor who services you only see's you as an ATM? There are boundaries in this business. I sometimes think that some men completely forget that this is a fantasy that you pay for, not reality.

[billw1032]

Originally Posted by Guilty Pleasures

Your not entitled to anything, so if your not happy about the new rate simply find someone whose rates work for you, instead of posting a whiney thread.

Originally Posted by Guilty Pleasures

You are a customer. Period. If you are getting your feelings hurt over a rate raise, and take it as a personal attack then you need to re-evaluate yourself and the real reasons you are patronizing an escort.

Originally Posted by Guilty Pleasures

You as a customer are not entitled to anything above and beyond what is provided on a service level.

Some real lessons in good customer relations here. Or maybe not.

Originally Posted by Guilty Pleasures

If the escort is not your cup of tea, move on.

Point taken.

[ericjovian]

very nice video there are many things in it which helped me to find my way.

[Chevalier]

Originally Posted by TheBizz

There are 2 factors that should go into that decision.

Excellent analysis.

Sometimes I'm grandfathered, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes I'm grandfathered but then lose it when she is past the transition phase. I may infer something about her interest in seeing me specifically, but I try not to take it personally. This is a business, just like any other. Hell, when I raise my rates, I don't grandfather existing clients, and I give very few clients a discount because of the volume of work they give me.

[Sensia]

Originally Posted by Chevalier

Excellent analysis.

Sometimes I'm grandfathered, sometimes I'm not. Sometimes I'm grandfathered but then lose it when she is past the transition phase. I may infer something about her interest in seeing me specifically, but I try not to take it personally. This is a business, just like any other. Hell, when I raise my rates, I don't grandfather existing clients, and I give very few clients a discount because of the volume of work they give me.

+1 to the above.

The escort business is a completely different business than any other "normal" type business or service.

With that in mind, the customer service relationship is going to be a little different than with a normal business.

Good customer service is all about bringing customers back. And about sending them away happy - happy enough to pass positive feedback about you.

What exactly does that mean in the escort business? Well for escorts it means answering your phone, returning calls, responding promptly in a timely fashion to emails, or pm's. Also being reliable, dependable, showing up for an appointment on time. Listening to your client. Being careful not to cross certain boundaries of privacy. Keeping the line between the fantasy and reality is very important. Discretion. etc.

Since the escort business doesn't fit into the normal model of other businesses, you have to keep this in mind that it is in fact fantasy and not get too emotionally attached to a lady.

It is one thing to be friends, have a rapport with your clients, a completely different matter to start expecting something from a lady because you think your entitled beyond what she is normally offering to others (because you think she likes "you" so much more than anyone else). This business is a drain on a woman physically and emotionally and not all women in the escort business want to indulge a man in their fantasy to the point that they start thinking they really have some "relationship connection". Doing so, will make for a potentially disastrous situation.



I am trying to keep it real. Forgive me if I am coming off harsh, maybe I am just cranky today, but I am seeing way too much expectations from certain men that are unrealistic on these boards.

[Guest091314]

AMEN to that GP!!!

[Randall Creed]

GP has told me all I need to know.

If it's too inconvenient to GF a few repeat clients, then the best of luck at your new rates.

Meanwhile, in Dallas I have over 700 LISTED options.




Ain't no pussy like NEW pussy!!!!

[Guest082613]

Originally Posted by Guilty Pleasures

Again, this is a service. Your not dating her. She has no emotional tie to you. You are a customer. Period. If you are getting your feelings hurt over a rate raise, and take it as a personal attack then you need to re-evaluate yourself and the real reasons you are patronizing an escort.

Some escorts can see as many as 12 or more guys a week. Do you think that she will remember you after 5 - 6 months if you only saw her once or even twice? No. Unless you are a regular customer and you see her like clock work twice a week, then she is not going to remember you.

I get your main point that guys need to keep things in perspective.

But I respectfully disagree with the idea a guy has to see a lady twice a week for her to 'remember who he is'

There was a very well regarded DFW provider who I saw many times a couple of years ago before geography made it impractical to meet. When I saw her
earlier this year, she went out of her way to wear the attire she knew I liked.
She mentioned it and we had a good laugh about it.


The fact she remembered and wore it speaks volumes about her professionalism and why guys flock back to her. She has the ability to make
her clients feel like she appreciates and enjoys their business without the twice a week volume you require to make us more than forgettable.

I see my current ATF 2-3 times a month. Somehow she manages to remember even though you think I need to see her 6-8 times a month to be worth it.

I agree this is a business. But the ladies who make me feel like they appreciate MY business and not see me as a generic guy coming in not worth remembering my name will keep me coming back.