The thread for people who don't write reviews and those who wish to discuss them

[NearHauteRed]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

I just remembered another reason I stopped doing reviews on the old board. There was always the "Rockefeller" group in the locker room who wanted to make everybody pay or not allow members who don't review, who essentially wanted to make the site their exclusive club.

Of course, they never considered the fact that most ladies get the majority of business; in all likelyhood from those don't pay or write reviews, or even officially join the site. I just got tired of the arrogance and condescension.

Very true statements, but, since you have been on this board as a member for a number of years, then according to the philosophy of the few bashers of guys that have not done reviews, your opinions of hobby related issues carry more weight than others and are more respected than members who have not been signed up long enough as obviously, we know nothing.

Originally Posted by RangoFett

I am very private with my sessions but from the feedback I am getting as of late it seems to hurt your rep. and cred. Based in what I have learned, it is best to review!!

Yes, if you do not want to be singled out for trying to contribute to the community, but choose to not post reviews, you would go with that theory. If you wish to have a good rep and credibility with the wanna be cyber bullies, then do what they say, the only catch is that after you do that, then they will find something wrong with the way you are doing what they wanted you to do and the cycle continues.

Originally Posted by Namssa

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I would agree with that it takes a mix to keep things going. but without reviewers would anyone be here posting?

I agree about the mix, but if you did not have a review section, just a co-ed, iso and ad sections, there would be postings, perhaps not as many, and the ones that would not be posting are WKs of providers to scoff at a review he does not like of a provider and threads such as this. I feel there would be some lively discussions, but the adolescent posters will be fewer an far between.

[TinMan]

I appreciate that the mods give us a little more leeway in describing bcd activities in the private vs public section of the review. Sometimes I like to be able to explain in a bit more detail, and in a certain context, what went on than I feel I can in the Activities section.

For example, I might have enjoyed limited activities due to circumstances beyond the lady's control, but I paid for the full meal deal and want to make sure the non-PA member knows I wasn't cheated. Oftentimes that is easier to explain in ROS.

[TinMan]

There was a board before this one, NHR, and a lot of these guys established their reps a long time ago, usually through reviews.

The road you have chosen is the hard path. Maybe one day you'll eventually stop getting criticized, but as I said before, you'll likely continue to be frustrated that folks don't take you seriously until that day comes.

[NearHauteRed]

Originally Posted by TinMan

There was a board before this one, NHR, and a lot of these guys established their reps a long time ago, usually through reviews.

The road you have chosen is the hard path. Maybe one day you'll eventually stop getting criticized, but as I said before, you'll likely continue to be frustrated that folks don't take you seriously until that day comes.

I know there was, it was called ASPD, I was a lurker there as well and chose not want to sign up due to most of the drama related posts and bashing of members for one reason or another and it was actually worse then it is thus far on this board, but it is gradually catching up, because, as you said, the same guys are on this board, but it looks like the mods here will every now and again, remind people of the terms of disrespect and name calling of others opposed to ASPD where it was basically a free for all.

Because of the subject nature of this board and the differing opinions, people are always going to be critical and disagree, but when you take personal shots at others, basically out of left field, then that is sophomoric and puerile. Take me seriously or not, I am still going to say what I say and do what I do. How do you know what my experiences are and say that what I say has to be wrong or did not happen because I said it did? While it is true that you need guys that do reviews on here for the board to do good with lively conversation and all, to tell someone he will never have any respect and dissecting everything he says, criticizing it and tell him it is not worth anything because he has not written any reviews and is new signing up is totally classless and immature. All it would take is a few actual level headed individuals on this "adult" board (hopefully from the so called "respected" ones) to ask the wanna be cyber bullies, who really have nothing legit to add to a conversation other than name calling and being an overall jackass, to lay off that childish behavior, from what I can tell tho, those folks, if there are any, are pretty scarce.

[hotindallas]

My opinion is that without reviews, this site would for all practical purposes die a slow and painful death. A small number of posters would remain, and the postings made would rapidly regenerate into either "club" threads or name-calling threads. Go look at a couple of threads in the political forum. Just pick a couple at random. That's what this whole site would look like.

That being said, if you are going to actively post on ECCIE, be prepared to have thick skin and not take things personally, because it is human nature for people to flame those who do not agree with them.

I'm sure I've pissed some people off with some of my posts. I've never intended to do that, but I know it's happened. So what!!! Some of the people on here have pissed me off as well, but I'm sure that they haven't lost a single night's sleep over it.

I wish that more people would share information, thoughts, opinions, funny comments, and decent, factual reviews. ALL of these are needed to keep this place going. Hell, even the drama-filled threads are sometimes fun to read (even if they are train wrecks in progress).

This whole site is really about two things: Getting laid, and being entertained. If those two things aren't happening, then nobody is going to show up. If only one of the two is happening, it's okay. But combine the two, and the place rocks.

Ok, I'll shut up now. Have fun, stay safe, and above all, get laid!!!

[Duke of G]

I have an issue with "See ROS" for activites - all public areas of a review form should be filled out. That includes activities. The ROS is exactly the incentive for others to decide to get Premium Access, BUT the public sections are public for a reason. It doesn't have to be an exhaustive list, but it can't be "see the private stuff." That's a no-go.

[TinMan]

Duly noted, Duke. I do tend to put at least a few more details than that in Activities, but I don't always make a complete laundry list of acronyms. A few times I've said "standard GFE activities are available" or "L2", Which at least gives (I think) a pretty good idea what the reader can expect.

[Iaintliein]

I hadn't thought about this issue for some time before seeing this thread and it's predecessor. As I look around my contacts list and note how many ladies I've known who have moved, retired, drifted away or vanished, it occurs to me that I may need to start writing again.

Maybe when I get my next quarterly piece of strange or do a photo session, I'll take notes.



Since some "do's and don'ts" have slipped into the thread, I have a question. If photos taken comply with board posting policies may I post them as a comment to the review rather than in ROS thus making them public? Honestly I'd rather show off pictures than discuss my less than world class cocksmanship.

[Iaintliein]

Another thought on reviews.

I once wrote a "summary" review in the locker room. I essentially listed, and rated all of the ladies I'd seen, "provider X is heavier than provider Y but not as heavy as provider Z, etc.". The thought was to give the reader a frame of reference if they had met any of the ladies rather than rely on adjectives and overly polite phrases like "Rubenesque". This sort of thing isn't for "credit" of course, but elements of this sort in a regular review might be found helpful by some.

[TinMan]

Originally Posted by Iaintliein

Another thought on reviews.

I once wrote a "summary" review in the locker room. I essentially listed, and rated all of the ladies I'd seen, "provider X is heavier than provider Y but not as heavy as provider Z, etc.". The thought was to give the reader a frame of reference if they had met any of the ladies rather than rely on adjectives and overly polite phrases like "Rubenesque". This sort of thing isn't for "credit" of course, but elements of this sort in a regular review might be found helpful by some.

Towards the end of the aspd days, management began allowing reviews posted in their mens-only area. I liked the idea, as there were several cases where I wanted to avoid the drama associated with a negative review. It seemed to work, as the ladies in question were either unaware of the review's presence, or simply had the good sense not to mention they had seen it.

[mtabsw]

Even though this is a cross-business good topic, I'm disappointed none of our distaff colleagues are contributing....

As a former reviewer who switched to paid access I'll go on record on my thoughts on why I don't normally review.

1. I see very few and usually repeat so I end up with several on the same girls, and I question the benefit of that to anyone - other than those who want to label me a WK. The reason I repeat is their reliability and consistency so you'll notice most of their other reviews read pretty much the same as mine.

2. People still don't read them and ask questions I cover - like I'm not a greek fan so seldom participate without a very demanding greek goddess that's truly into it. Nevertheless, even if I explicitly state in the review "I didn't ask for greek so don't know if that's on the menu" - some mouth-breather will pm me or put a comment in "how was the greek?"

3. Someone usually whines about the price - if you have to ask, you can't afford it - and I do think there are Kias and Porsches out there among our providers - yeah, everyone has a "I got a beauty queen nymph for $75" or "I paid $1,000 and it was worth every cent story but not really relevant. If you want to know their price, check their ad or showcase. A lot of us get deals for one reason or another that publishing would probably defeat the purpose.

4. The bullshit dramas that kick-in around who saw who on what day or time. I have to make sure I use the fucking date field to say "early Jan" so no one gets their panties in a twist.

5. The totally absorbing dramas that frankly I love to read but would be really pissed if it was around me about some part of a review that someone really goes postal about. Fortunately I think my research helps me steer clear of that crowd but we're not dealing with a 100% stable population here are we?

That said, I will write reviews on request as a favor to the girl, or if I get burned, bait/switch etc. I am considering one now for a lifetime experience that still has me grinning - and I don't know if I'm trying to brag about how smart and studly I am, or help her biz - which doesn't seem to be struggling....

I remain
ambiguously confused
MT

[L.A.]

Originally Posted by NearHauteRed

I know there was, it was called ASPD, I was a lurker there as well and chose not want to sign up due to most of the drama related posts and bashing of members for one reason or another and it was actually worse then it is thus far on this board, but it is gradually catching up, because, as you said, the same guys are on this board, but it looks like the mods here will every now and again, remind people of the terms of disrespect and name calling of others opposed to ASPD where it was basically a free for all.

Because of the subject nature of this board and the differing opinions, people are always going to be critical and disagree, but when you take personal shots at others, basically out of left field, then that is sophomoric and puerile. Take me seriously or not, I am still going to say what I say and do what I do. How do you know what my experiences are and say that what I say has to be wrong or did not happen because I said it did? While it is true that you need guys that do reviews on here for the board to do good with lively conversation and all, to tell someone he will never have any respect and dissecting everything he says, criticizing it and tell him it is not worth anything because he has not written any reviews and is new signing up is totally classless and immature. All it would take is a few actual level headed individuals on this "adult" board (hopefully from the so called "respected" ones) to ask the wanna be cyber bullies, who really have nothing legit to add to a conversation other than name calling and being an overall jackass, to lay off that childish behavior, from what I can tell tho, those folks, if there are any, are pretty scarce.

I had 150 reviews on the "other site" and have only 25 or so on here (I usually stick to the same few people these days). I can't specifically remember having negative issues with anybody responding to my reviews. I've had a handful of sessions that weren't great and I've only had to write 2 no reviews in all of that time with no real backlash. I believe if a review is well written, factual, and informative then there will rarely be any problems associated with it. That's been my personal experience over the last 13 years.

I write reviews now for the following reasons.

1. I want PA and don't want to pay for it. PA helps me in making hobby decisions.
2. I like to provide a quality review that helps the members make informed decisions on whom to spend their time and money. My reviews don't just list a bunch of acronyms. I try to talk about screening, TCB skills, incall conditions, etc.
3. It helps out the provider. Some providers use this and P411 as their main source of advertising. If I have a good session with somebody that I like, I feel it's appropriate to write that review.
4. Reviews help with the hobby checks and balances. Hopefully I'll say this in a non offensive way as that's how it's intended. I feel like if I contact somebody thru this site and they see that I'm an active reviewer then they know I'll likely write a review. Providers don't want to receive a bad review any more than I want to write one. It can really work out great for both parties (in theory anyway...didn't hold true for a recent experience).
5. Reviews can give hobby credibility. I'm active, I've seen providers, it's easy enough for another provider to verify that I've seen who I say I've seen. It can help with their screening and it helps me when I'm trying to setup an appointment. If I have a question for another member, I think the fact I've done plenty of reviews will put them as ease and they may be more willing to share information.

That's my opinion on why reviews are so important to THIS site and to me.

[NearHauteRed]

Originally Posted by mtabsw

Even though this is a cross-business good topic, I'm disappointed none of our distaff colleagues are contributing....

As a former reviewer who switched to paid access I'll go on record on my thoughts.

1. I see very few and usually repeat so I end up with several on the same girls, and I question the benefit of that to anyone - other than those who want to label me a WK. The reason I repeat is their reliability and consistency so you'll notice most of their other reviews read pretty much the same as mine.

2. People still don't read them and ask questions I cover - like I'm not a greek fan so seldom participate without a very demanding greek goddess that's truly into it. Nevertheless, even if I explicitly state in the review "I didn't ask for greek so don't know if that's on the menu" - some mouth-breather will pm me or put a comment in "how was the greek?"

3. Someone usually whines about the price - if you have to ask, you can't afford it - and I do think there are Kias and Porsches out there among our providers - yeah, everyone has a "I got a beauty queen nymph for $75" or "I paid $1,000 and it was worth every cent story but not really relevant. If you want to know their price, check their ad or showcase. A lot of us get deals for one reason or another that publishing would probably defeat the purpose.

4. The bullshit dramas that kick-in around who saw who on what day or time. I have to make sure I use the fucking date field to say "early Jan" so no one gets their panties in a twist.

5. The totally absorbing dramas that frankly I love to read but would be really pissed if it was around me about some part of a review that someone really goes postal about. Fortunately I think my research helps me steer clear of that crowd but we're not dealing with a 100% stable population here are we?

That said, I will write reviews on request as a favor to the girl, or if I get burned, bait/switch etc. I am considering one now for a lifetime experience that still has me grinning - and I don't know if I'm trying to brag about how smart and studly I am, or help her biz - which doesn't seem to be struggling....

I remain
ambiguously confused
MT

Your 5 reasons are reason to NOT do a review. To throw in a couple more reasons: 1. drama added to your honest recollection and opinion in your review, "it did not happen like that when I saw her" and the like, creating a bash thread amongst guys that jump in the fracas and the OP of the review chimes in. How is that helping the advertising/marketing of the provider? 2. I have seen "quacking" of reviews and the guys that do it have no idea if the hobbyist saw the provider or not, they just like to stir shit up. All reasons point to drama that can be avoided by either closing the review to comments once it is posted or the jackanapes of the members can learn to grow up, neither of which will happen, so I choose to not review at this time. I do not need to read reviews (at least, on this site) to determine if I would to see a provider for a session, but in any event, to basically tell someone their opinions on hobby related subject can no way be any good just because they have no posted reviews or they are newly signed up is harebrained, but what is more is the fact you have "seasoned" board members that have the same opinion on a subject either say that it is not true, because they do not have the cajones to let others know that someone new to sign up makes a valid point, or they just sit there and say nothing because they do not want to be labeled for agreeing with someone who is considered by the "in-crowd" a worthless person. Do the members here think that they are the only ones who live and know about the hobby lifestyle and know anything about escorts? We all had to be a rookie at one point, maybe since you got belittled when you were starting out on this or the other site that it is okay to do it now that you are a vet of the board. Nice rationale!

[TinMan]

L. A. is 100% spot on in his remarks. He did a better job of conveying my feelings on the subject than I've thus far been able to do myself. His fairly low review count belies the fact that he was at one time very active in writing reviews.

That may be one reason there appears to be a double-standard. There are a lot of guys that have taken a lower profile since this board came into existence. Their past contributions, however, are remembered by us "old timers" and are factored into the equation when we consider their comments to a topic.

Chevalier is a great example. He rarely posts, doesn't do reviews, but his past contribution to aspd gives him emeritus status here...or at least should.

[eccienewbie]

Originally Posted by NearHauteRed

I think....

I've seen no evidence of that.