Golden Pussy Syndrome

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by papadee

I can throw a football. Doesn't make me a QB, let alone a highly paid, pro QB. I can take a picture. Doesn't make me a photographer.

Yes, any woman can have sex. But I'm surmising that you're here to spend money, and they're here to accept it. And if you're spending money, I'm sure you want them to be good at it.

This.

Not to mention, the women not directly slinging pussy...

Married with a Pre-nup. She sucks a dick on holidays and owns, or at least has unlimited access to his assets.

Same shit, different toilet, minus the emotional baggage and labor.

Women are props. June Cleaver or Pamela Anderson. We pick our role. Either way, men provide and hunt for mating rights, while we gather and carry children.

[ddot]

Amen to that

[Randall Creed]

Originally Posted by papadee

I can throw a football. Doesn't make me a QB, let alone a highly paid, pro QB. I can take a picture. Doesn't make me a photographer.

Yes, any woman can have sex. But I'm surmising that you're here to spend money, and they're here to accept it. And if you're spending money, I'm sure you want them to be good at it.

Bad analogy. Why? Well, who's going to pay you to throw that football? There are 500 QB's in America who can throw better than you.

Also, the demand for pussy is MUCH, MUCH greater than the demand for a QB. That, and the demand for pussy is never-ending.

QB's have to know their whole playbook, learn to read defenses, change plays on a moment's notice, keep an eye on the clock, have great intuition to avoid deception, adjust to breaking down protection, throw with precision to hit moving targets, on a field of limited space, filled with moving obstacles, while sometimes running for their life, and must do this for up to 3 hours at a time, sometimes in inclimate weather. A much greater skill than merely throwing a football. But nice try.

Women still don't have to be good at sex to sell it. Again, if they're reasonably attractive and have a normally function body, they're in good position to sling pussy. All they need after that is the attitude to surge forward. I do, btw, admire their ability to put up with fat, ugly men that they don't know.

I love these ladies and respect them for what they do. I'm merely speaking on the brass tax of it all, in that for the amount of money they make, there's really no input of certifiable skills needed to make the money.

[rexdutchman]

Providers charging a lot 1000+ are getting into the real world syndrome. Just think house cars that SOs have gotten for having sex. RWS not GPS just my thinking out loud.

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Providers charging a lot 1000+ are getting into the real world syndrome. Just think house cars that SOs have gotten for having sex. RWS not GPS just my thinking out loud.

DINGGGGG!

SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT!

FREE 2-HR RENDEZVOUS WITH ME OR ON MY DIME

I'm so over the idea that providers are getting the best "deal". My Vanilla girlfriends have it made as far as assets, sustainability, cash/monetary access...more so than the friends charging $1000 per hr.

And let us not negate an obvious fact or at least for the majority that those at such rate have other income that takes a majority of their time. That could be someone taking care of them already ie Sugar Daddy, husband, boyfriend, Uncle Sam, or simply a career.

I'll speak my truth and what I witness from a " provider" standpoint:

If hobbyists are her only/main audience, the higher her rate is above the market, then the slimmer the pickings and less appointments she actually executes. *This is a tactic in most cases, and not a reflection of character. Why the two are linked...I suppose are from a few bad apples.

Women who mirror another's above market rate often find out the hard way, and soon synch their rates accordingly to actually receive business.

At this moment, even if a gent has $7.00, I have an option for him. Just don't walk into a Bentley dealership with a keychain budget expecting a "Bentley Truck" experience is all I ask for.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by Randall Creed

Bad analogy. Why? Well, who's going to pay you to throw that football? There are 500 QB's in America who can throw better than you.

Also, the demand for pussy is MUCH, MUCH greater than the demand for a QB. That, and the demand for pussy is never-ending.

QB's have to know their whole playbook, learn to read defenses, change plays on a moment's notice, keep an eye on the clock, have great intuition to avoid deception, adjust to breaking down protection, throw with precision to hit moving targets, on a field of limited space, filled with moving obstacles, while sometimes running for their life, and must do this for up to 3 hours at a time, sometimes in inclimate weather. A much greater skill than merely throwing a football. But nice try.

Women still don't have to be good at sex to sell it. Again, if they're reasonably attractive and have a normally function body, they're in good position to sling pussy. All they need after that is the attitude to surge forward. I do, btw, admire their ability to put up with fat, ugly men that they don't know.

I love these ladies and respect them for what they do. I'm merely speaking on the brass tax of it all, in that for the amount of money they make, there's really no input of certifiable skills needed to make the money.

Some local semi-pro team who may give me $5 for a burger. That's pay enough. Not everyone who plays & gets paid, does it in the NFL. If men are paying unskilled, bad at sex women the same amount they're paying the skilled ones, then the men have a problem.

"There's a sucker born every minute." - attributed to PT Barnum.

Come on Randall, we're on ECCIE. To say that some women with no sexual skills can make just as much as a woman with mindblowing skills is silly. She may start at $400/hr, but once the reviews roll in reporting her bad hygiene, lack of IOP, poor skills, etc., do you think she's getting business? Maybe if she has model looks. But then fools who see her will say she has GPS, AND, if she had skills, she could make $1000+/hr.

We have the NFL, the Arena league, and your local semi-pro teams. And escorts are on that same sliding scale.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by rexdutchman

Providers charging a lot 1000+ are getting into the real world syndrome. Just think house cars that SOs have gotten for having sex. RWS not GPS just my thinking out loud.

It's the 21st century. Women are more than barefoot & pregnant, waiting on a man to take care of them. Many women make as much, if not more than men, so the idea that wives, GFs, etc are the same as escorts (sex for the money) is and always was, offensive & wrong. And to read a woman (Eva) espousing this attitude is even more confounding.

As much as this hobby likes to think we're progressive & open-minded, I see so much closed-minded old fashioned thinking. It's the world's oldest profession, and some of the thinking here is just as old.

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by papadee

It's the 21st century. Women are more than barefoot & pregnant, waiting on a man to take care of them. Many women make as much, if not more than men, so the idea that wives, GFs, etc are the same as escorts (sex for the money) is and always was, offensive & wrong. And to read a woman (Eva) espousing this attitude is even more confounding.

As much as this hobby likes to think we're progressive & open-minded, I see so much closed-minded old fashioned thinking. It's the world's oldest profession, and some of the thinking here is just as old.

Are we in the stone ages? No.

Don't take what was written out of context, per the context *clues by ommitting the topic at hand.

Options were listed, not requirements. Women can have careers AND have a man supporting them. Also, so can men. Please alert me if I have overlooked an income stream, and I'll then add it on the list.

But the dynamic per my experience has not changed immensely.

Note I acknowledged *careers and different routes a woman can take, and gave examples. I even acknowledge Uncle Sam, be it child support or a settlement, or even food stamps/WIC. The spectrum ranges are long **as to WHY women tactfully have higher than market rates. Please, keep the topic in mind so you are not confounded.

Hell, anyone would be "confounded" just dropping in on the convo, or as I said before, ommiting the thread topic.

Why is this *perspective (not attitude)and acknowledgement of these spectrums so "confounding" to you ?

Commensualism is another concept that comes into play. 50/50 (or whichever percentage agreed on).

On topic: Rates are not indicative of character always.

[papadee]

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

Are we in the stone ages? No.


What is this so "confounding" ?
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Not to mention, the women not directly slinging pussy...

Married with a Pre-nup. She sucks a dick on holidays and owns, or at least has unlimited access to his assets.

Same shit, different toilet, minus the emotional baggage and labor.

Women are props. June Cleaver or Pamela Anderson. We pick our role. Either way, men provide and hunt for mating rights, while we gather and carry children.

This was the post I was referencing.

[Eva Damita]

Then let me reframe for the sake of Papadees' comfort (my apologies for your discomforts):

We all play a role in society we choose to cater to. Some find a happy medium. Some are at polar ends of the spectrum.

There. I'm not going to reframe my words any further for the sake of anyone's comfort.

*Gay Marriage, Same *Sex Marriage, Marriage **Equality (it passed reframed to the third)

Again, same shit, different toilet.

I'm not responsible for any further internalized phobias

[papadee]

Originally Posted by Eva Damita

Then let me reframe for the sake of Papadees' comfort: We all play a role in society we choose to cater to. Some find a happy medium. Some are at polar ends of the spectrum.

There. I'm not going to reframe my words any further for the sake of anyone's comfort.

Don't reframe them, just own them. And if I express my discomfort, that's my expression of words.

[Samarie]

My rates reflect my quality of service. I'm aware there are a lot of nice guys I'm missing out on by keeping my rates higher than most in my area but it doesn't affect my business. The quality of guys that see me is much better since raising my rates. These guys are sweet, gentle and very generous in bed. I no longer get young, rough guys. I also have an extremely high rate of clients turning to regulars. I know the experience I offer is a great one so I charge accordingly. Any guy that tries to say my price is too high before having a session with me is not only wasting his time but putting himself on my DNS list. Too often I'll get a guy telling me he would see me if my rates were lower, I ignore him and add him to my DNS list. Months later he'll message me trying to make an appointment. I don't forgive guys. Be rude once and we'll never meet. There are too many sweet guys trying to get an appointment for me to waste my time with jerks.
Demand for girls is high but there are plenty of girls to choose from. If one is charging more than you're willing to pay, move on. Putting her down just burns bridges.

[okiegirllover]

For me personally, I'm not paying for sex. I'm paying for an experience or intimacy or maybe companionship. The fact that we might work out some kinks is secondary. I actually think t he really talented people in the industry are more like therapists than anything else and understand how to cater to the largest sex organ between ones ears.

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by Samarie

My rates reflect my quality of service. I'm aware there are a lot of nice guys I'm missing out on by keeping my rates higher than most in my area but it doesn't affect my business. The quality of guys that see me is much better since raising my rates. These guys are sweet, gentle and very generous in bed. I no longer get young, rough guys. I also have an extremely high rate of clients turning to regulars. I know the experience I offer is a great one so I charge accordingly. Any guy that tries to say my price is too high before having a session with me is not only wasting his time but putting himself on my DNS list. Too often I'll get a guy telling me he would see me if my rates were lower, I ignore him and add him to my DNS list. Months later he'll message me trying to make an appointment. I don't forgive guys. Be rude once and we'll never meet. There are too many sweet guys trying to get an appointment for me to waste my time with jerks.
Demand for girls is high but there are plenty of girls to choose from. If one is charging more than you're willing to pay, move on. Putting her down just burns bridges.

I am happy you are happy

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by spa999

Skulling isn't for any given provider. My UTR who takes a solid skulling (actually, saw her just tonight, in fact) is a rarity. It is not typically on the menu nor do I expect any given hooker to do it.

For those clued out, skulling refers to skull-fucking, ie, deep, hard throat-fucking that typically ends in the man coming balls-deep down the girl's throat. In my case with my UTR I really dig breeding her and she really digs me breeding her so I bang her head hard until she's puked a few times (we put a trash can between us; she kneels), which gets her really turned on, then I put her on the bed and fuck her senseless until I load in her. She's a really nice, sweet lady. Met her by posting an ad on CL looking for a "casual" who wanted her stomach emptied (that was my code-phrase; figured the right kind of girl'd understand, and they did). Got 3 replies, one was her. We're a great team. We use each other ruthlessly - I give her money, her kink, and the kind of solid fucking she adores, and I get my itch scratched. On top of it, I love fucking her. It's a personal thing. I think she's kind, sweet, etc., and I know with me, she'll be safe. I know her limits and what she needs and what she can take. I've at times beeen short and she's taken as little as 40 simply bc she needed me to fuck her the way she needs it. I started with her at 80 and recently started paying her 100, at least when I can, to show my appreciation.

Some might say I am making this shit up. Not at all, God's honest truth. I have my theories as to why so many amateurs/casuals are appearing on the scene these days and at such low rates but that's for a different thread.

I used to bang this one older lady for 40. Nothing unusual, no kinks, just really good sex. I stopped seeing her about 2 months back because I had 3 regulars and it was getting expensive and I had even better sex with the other three, one being my skulling friend. However she texted me recently and said she really wanted to see me, missed me, etc. I told her OK but $$ is a concern so I could see her for 20. She said yes, no problem. So I am going to be fucking her again before the week-end is out. Is she a drug fiend? Not that I know of. She is an attractive older lady (early-mid 50s) with beautiful silver hair, a few tats, firm body, a hella nice rack, and is nice enough if not a bit jaded. Well aren't we all these days?

What motivates her to be so cheap and easy for me? Probably it's personal. A lot of ppl are lonely these days and when they meet someone they have great sex with and get along fine with, they are slow to walk away. In no small way I am seeing her to be kind to her. And while I don't miss her I appreciate that she misses me; being missed is a compliment and nothing to take for granted. Paying her is in a way me simply being considerate. I am pretty sure I don't have to, but I will anyway.

Miss Eva, I think the overall theme here is that with women I pay to have sex with, I also have real, actual, man-woman human fucking relationships with them.

I have met and fucked a large number of hookers in my 20 years of banging whores and when I was younger (I am in my late 40s now though Goddamn, I sure don't feel like it and most ppl take me for 35 or so) I banged hookers the way most guys do. "Hi, nice to meet you, let's fuck, oink oink squirt, here's the dough, later." Yeah you can pay $300/hr for that, or $1,000, or $10, and attitudes vary not by price but by individual woman.

Where I live, a certain kind of hooker with serious problems in life dealing with her needs to escape reality is unfortunately readily available. These girls have driven down the price of hooker services substantially. 200/hr used to be standard. Now, 100-120 is more typical for an escort (ie, not a streetwalker or one of these kinds of girls) and to get blown by one of these kinds of girls is as little as $10 ($5 for some) if you don't mind getting head in your car. But as morally questionable a character as I am, I won't allow myself to ruthlessly exploit someone in that condition for a $5 blowjob. Just can't do it.

Besides, fucking a girl and walking away isn't as easy to do as it used to be, esp. when I am banging some girl who I am old enough to be the father of, not that I look like it. I genuinely care about my 3 regulars and am very happy with them. I am not inclined to go looking to bang other girls except only occasionally, and even then, that is an event. I see all 3 of them weekly if not more often. I text them regularly. We talk abt our problems to each other. Yes, we use The L Word, too. We know how to make each other feel really good and appreciated in and out of bed. Do I give a shit if each one of them is an Academy Award-winning actress "just using this guy as a source of money and sex"? Not a whit. Could not care less if each one of them is playing me like a guitar. This is because I have had rel'ps with "normal" women in the past where indeed, turns out the bitch was about as sincere as a mafia boss professing contrition at his sentencing. Point is, ANYONE can misrepreent him or herself to anyone else for any reason. So I work with what I know. And I know this: these girls have all lowered prices for me at times I had trouble affording them. I never try to play them though I have had hookers and "normal" women try before, some undoubtedly succeeding. They have re-booked or cancelled other tricks just to see me at a time when I could see them. They have cried over frustrations in their lives and struggles with friends or family with me and I have talked them through it, through rough patches of different kinds, given them pep talks, and been there for them... and vice-versa. Call me a sentimental middle-aged fool, but when it comes to hookers, I go for LTRs/real Rs. And at least with these 3, they seem to also. Do they have the same thing with other tricks? I certainly hope so. No reason to limit yourself in terms of sexual or emotional partners, hooker or not. As for paying for sex with them: show me a man who DOESN'T pay for sex with a woman and I'll show you a gay man.

FINAL CONCLUSION: Be as GPS as you like. If your golden pussy is so fucking amazing you can charge $10,000/fuck for it, my dear, go right ahead. Just I won't be renting it from you any time soon.

Does she have teeth, just asking.


Jim