Will Kamala Harris Be Banned from the Ballot in 2024?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Chase7

Obama is the one attempting to take our democracy with his two-tier justice system.
It’s been Biden and him all along conspiring with China and Ukraine.

Now he has the DOJ, FBI, IRS and local partisan DA attempting to keep Trump tied up in the courts to effect the next election.
They are also using the influx of illegals for future votes and a one party system.
This is the actual insurrection of fellow Americans by the political elite.
Illegals right now are being taken better care of then our homeless veterans and other homeless Americans.
This is the actual insurrection.

Liberals you’ll get yours when they get their one party system and don’t need you anymore, you’ll cry the loudest when they come after you when don’t toe the line.
Check out China, Russia and North Korea, that’s your future with a one party system.

87,000 new IRS agents aren’t for the rich it’s to go after everyone.

Holy smokes!

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by lustylad

shouldn't a jury be allowed to weigh and consider them, instead of letting hyper-partisan Secretaries of State or appointed state justices bring down the hammer on trump or Harris?

As previously noted, Special Counsel Jack Smith didn't seem to feel the 14th Amendment or any federal laws currently on the books were sufficient to charge Trump with "insurrection". And he hates the guy more than all of yinz combined.

At least you and eye seem capable of rational thinking (at times).

The element of insurrection; any and all including election interference, or inciting a riot, or conspiracy to defraud are the elements. Nobody gets charged with INSURRECTION. They get charged with the elements of the crime. I've posted elsewhere about this prior also. In Trumps case- he's facing a prosecution of exactly that.

To my knowledge, Kamala has been charged with zero, and while I think she should be charged with dereliction of duty for being the border Czar, that's not happened. Id' honestly say the GOP would likely have a better chance of that occurring. vs the Hunter Biden baloney/ Malarkey etc..

If there is a case to be made of her encouraging violence, and to halt a federal proceeding by her design, then bring that up too. Trump faced impeachment, and at least one federal case regarding voter issues, and conspiracy to defraud; so he's knee deep in misdeeds relating to insurrection.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Chase7

Obama is the one attempting to take our democracy with his two-tier justice system.
It’s been Biden and him all along conspiring with China and Ukraine.

Illegals right now are being taken better care of then our homeless veterans and other homeless Americans.
This is the actual insurrection.

Liberals you’ll get yours when they get their one party system and don’t need you anymore, you’ll cry the loudest when they come after you when don’t toe the line.

Check out China, Russia and North Korea, that’s your future with a one party system.

87,000 new IRS agents aren’t for the rich it’s to go after everyone.

Exactly what part of this post has anything to do with the topic of the OP?

There is a button that says new thread for the 5 different topics you have outlined above- Good Luck Chase!

[Chase7]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Exactly what part of this post has anything to do with the topic of the OP?

There is a button that says new thread for the 5 different topics you have outlined above- Good Luck Chase!

It has everything to do with a two-tier justice system.
Nothing will be done about legs-up Harris, simple as that. Now do you get it!

Same with Biden having classified documents from when he was VP, the case has been dropped by the DOJ but Trumps continues.
Again, nothing will happen concerning cackling Harris.
Another example, now do you get it.

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by Chase7

It has everything to do with a two-tier justice system.
Nothing will be done about legs-up Harris, simple as that. Now do you get it!

Same with Biden having classified documents from when he was VP, the case has been dropped by the DOJ but Trumps continues.
Again, nothing will happen concerning cackling Harris.
Another example, now do you get it.

But Biden immediately returned the classified docs, and cooperated with the investigation. They had to ask trump for over a year to return his, and he refused, so they raided him.

Biden also only had about a dozen documents, none of which were Top Secret. trump had thousands, many of which were Top Secret. Once again, apples and oranges.

That's not a "two-tier justice system". It's one guy cooperating and another guy not cooperating.

Now what this has to do with Kamala Harris, I have no idea, but that needed to be cleared up.

[Salty Again]

... Kamala should be BANNED - but I'd surely rather
see the voters decide the issue.

#### Salty

[Chase7]

My post has everything to do with legs up Cackling Harris. She will be handled differently than Trump by the Justice System.

Saying Trump had thousands of documents and refused to return is not in any way factual.
The President under the Presidential Records Act has exclusive responsibility for the custody and management of Presidential records.
The National Archives and Records Administration works with the President to transfer documents.
Trump was doing that when the two tier DOJ had the FBI raid his place for purely political reasons. Biden was never President when he had documents at multiple places.
Now back to Harris in these instances, she will be handled differently unlike Trump, this is a comparison so please quit trying to say I’m off topic to control someone’s post.

You simply can’t handle the truth.

[1#Ratt]

Originally Posted by Chase7

My post has everything to do with legs up Cackling Harris. She will be handled differently than Trump by the Justice System.

Saying Trump had thousands of documents and refused to return is not in any way factual.
The President under the Presidential Records Act has exclusive responsibility for the custody and management of Presidential records.
The National Archives and Records Administration works with the President to transfer documents.
Trump was doing that when the two tier DOJ had the FBI raid his place for purely political reasons. Biden was never President when he had documents at multiple places.
Now back to Harris in these instances, she will be handled differently unlike Trump, this is a comparison so please quit trying to say I’m off topic to control someone’s post.

You simply can’t handle the truth.

So, you consider the document, given to the national archives, saying all the documents were returned, meant that Trump was still, going to return the documents, he tried hiding? Maybe you post would be on topic if Harris was accused of keeping documents., Quite trying to change the topic and post a new one.
Harris isn't charged with insurrection because she did commit it. If there was any chance she did, the mega xxxx would have been trying to prove it.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by Chase7

It has everything to do with a two-tier justice system.
Nothing will be done about legs-up Harris, simple as that. Now do you get it!

Same with Biden having classified documents from when he was VP, the case has been dropped by the DOJ but Trumps continues.
Again, nothing will happen concerning cackling Harris.
Another example, now do you get it.

Well the thread is about:
Will Kamala Harris be banned from the ballot in 2024.

NONE of what you posted is about that!

I see you have some strong feelings about it; so you should start your own thread instead of derailing this one!

Now, do YOU get it!!?

[Chase7]

I’m not derailing anything. Again, I’m giving examples of a two-tier justice system concerning Obama’s pic as VP, the cackling Harris.

You that post I’m off topic are attempting to silence me or anyone that doesn’t agree with you. Typical liberal ploy. Hahaha!

[eyecu2]

If Harris is taken off the ticket, what would be the reason?? Seeing as she faced no charges or any informal or formal accusations...

[Dr-epg]

Gentlemen let’s get back on the threads intended topic please

[tommy156]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

If Harris is taken off the ticket, what would be the reason?? Seeing as she faced no charges or any informal or formal accusations...

Same reason they're currently trying to impeach someone. Tit-for-tat. They have no reason to remove Kamala Harris from the ticket; they just heard the idea was used elsewhere.

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by tommy156

Already beat him fair and square, he refused to accept it and attempted an insurrection - thus, the 14th Amendment.

Look, I'm not the only one saying trump should remain on the ballot. A majority of Democrats are saying the same! Gavin Newsome, Jack Smith, Shirley Webber, et al. They all looked into the possibility of (ab)using the 14th Amendment in this way. They all concluded it's a bad idea. Aren't you curious to learn WHY your fellow Dems reached that conclusion? Do your homework! Only far-left partisan kooks like the Maine SoS and those 4 Justices in Colorado think otherwise. They're outliers. Didn't you tell me you're NOT a far-left guy? Then why can't you fall in line and agree with the majority of your own party?

Originally Posted by tommy156

By the way, you don't get to just cherry-pick your way around the Constitution to get your preferred outcome. The 14th Amendment is just as important as any of the others.

Good grief! If anyone is cherry-picking, it's the far-left nuts who are scouring the Constitution looking for ANY provision to twist & distort into a far-fetched pretext to disqualify trump from running again.

It probably never occurred to you, but parts of the Constitution are often in conflict. Free speech versus defamation. Religious liberty versus anti-discrimination. Gun rights versus public safety. Federal authority versus state rights. Why do you think Lady Justice is holding a scale?

The right of every American citizen to due process under the law is fundamental. If you take that away from trump (under flimsy legal theories about the 14th Amendment), you open a Pandora's Box that will enable bad actors in future to strip ANYONE of their due process rights.

If you want to keep trump off the ballot, then do it the right way - charge and convict him of "insurrection" in a court of law. If your legal arguments and evidence are so strong, you will prevail. Fuck this "self-executing" bullshit. Trump gets to hire lawyers, defend himself, introduce exculpatory evidence and witnesses, etc. That's what due process means. That's how it works. Why can't you understand this and follow the law?

[lustylad]

Originally Posted by onawbtngr546

So, what? Leave him on the ballot, give him the chance to win or steal the election, then ignore the 14th?

Or should we follow what the 14th says and make his campaign void from the get go?

Either way, the 14th still rules true. You are only choosing to ignore the amendment as written.

Nobody is ignoring the 14th Amendment. You want to use it against trump even though he has never been convicted of "insurrection". Well then, what's to stop Republicans in GOP-run states from doing the same against Kamala and Joe?

My opening post makes it clear there is an equally compelling case to keep Kamala off the ballot, based on her public statements encouraging BLM and antifa to keep rioting and "don't stop". Republicans aren't pursuing it yet - but they will, if crazy Dems don't back off on this nonsense.

If you're so sure the 14th applies to trump, then charge and convict him of "insurrection" in a court of law. Only then can you remove him from the ballot, citing his conviction and the 14th Amendment. There's no fucking shortcut.