9/11: Ten Years of Deception, Part 1 (2015)

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

You're just posting old news from Wikipedia. I've read all that stuff. 9/11 happened almost fourteen years ago. All kinds of new information has come out since then that debunks the original narrative. None of it you're able to handle so just live with the fairy tale that's been engrained in your head all these years.

Jim

You haven't shown anything. Jesus Christ. Debunking PARTS of the original story does not mean the entire story is somehow now false.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Yes, Iraq was a lie. No, Bush didn't know, but he wanted a war with Iraq to complete his father's legacy. Had we attacked the enemy, we would have attacked Saudi Arabia.


This event is the excuse government has used to restrict freedom to a degree heretofore unheard of. I want the whole story. I want to know if it was worth it.

You STILL have yet to outline which freedoms, exactly, you were enjoying on 9/10 that you do not currently have.

Rumsfeld is the man you want to talk to. By the morning of 9/12, he was constructing a way to have this be blamed on Iraq, so we could invade. If things were logical, Iran would be our friend and Saudi Arabia, our enemy. Iran had the misfortune of finding oil and having a leader that thought Iran should have a say about the minerals found inside their borders. The audacity! We couldn't have that, installed a puppet and set things in slow motion for the revolution that came later. We are responsible for Iran hating us. No one but ourselves.

[CuteOldGuy]

I have. Pay attention.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

You haven't shown anything. Jesus Christ. Debunking PARTS of the original story does not mean the entire story is somehow now false.

Well if you need some proof those planes could not have reached 500 plus MPH at low altitude here it is. This is a link to Ret. Pilot John Lear, who has over 19,000 hours of flight time explaining this. You probably won't be able to handle it but that's your problem.

Jim

https://youtu.be/YQBlv7sZGVE

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Well if you need some proof those planes could not have reached 500 plus MPH at low altitude here it is. This is a link to Ret. Pilot John Lear, who has over 19,000 hours of flight time explaining this. You probably won't be able to handle it but that's your problem.

Jim

https://youtu.be/YQBlv7sZGVE

That's anecdotal evidence. It's not a question of my being able to 'handle' it. The manufacturer has said that speed is possible at ANY altitude. They've tested the plane over and over. Don't you think they would know.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I have. Pay attention.

No, you haven't.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

That's anecdotal evidence. It's not a question of my being able to 'handle' it. The manufacturer has said that speed is possible at ANY altitude. They've tested the plane over and over. Don't you think they would know.

Don't you think experienced Pilots would know? Pilots who have extensive knowledge and time inside the cock pit of the 767 and other similar aircraft. Besides how do you think Boeing would test an Aircraft at 560 mph at 700 ft. Through computer that's how. because no pilot is going to take that chance. These Pilots did the test through simulators and they couldn't do it. Your evidence is more like hearsay It doesn't really prove anything. I doubt the authenticity of it.

Jim

[CuteOldGuy]

The President can now detain me indefinitely without any due process, solely on his opinion. If I want to fly in an airplane, I must subject myself to very intrusive searches. If I make a phone call, the NSA can listen. If I post to the Internet, the NSA can monitor it. The government is actively trying to stifle speech which does not support global warning. If I give money to, or participate with organizations that do not support the administration, the IRS can monitor them, based solely on their anti-administration views. The TSA is working toward monitoring trains, buses and highways. I can't choose my own health insurance policy. I must accept a government approved policy, whether it meets my needs or not. Massive government spending on war and domestic surveillance has dismissed the value of my money. If I withdraw more than $10,000 from the bank, the government must be informed. The press no longer reports news, it promotes agenda, usually by government. To finance the surveillance state, the government has crippled the chances of my children and grandchildren from reaching their level of success through unsustainable debt. The government is encouraging my friends and family to report my actions to the government. There are many streets I cannot walk down, nor streets and I can drive without the government collecting data about my activities. And I am being taxed to help pay for this affront.

And this is just a start.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Don't you think experienced Pilots would know? Pilots who have extensive knowledge and time inside the cock pit of the 767 and other similar aircraft. Besides how do you think Boeing would test an Aircraft at 560 mph at 700 ft. Through computer that's how. because no pilot is going to take that chance. These Pilots did the test through simulators and they couldn't do it. Your evidence is more like hearsay It doesn't really prove anything. I doubt the authenticity of it.

Jim

So you trust a computer in your daily work. You trust a computer to deliver this post to this website when you type it. You trust the various computers in your car to operate correctly. But you draw the line at a much more complex computer being able to, with all the data, simulate the ability of a plane to fly at certain altitudes and speeds? You're simply kidding yourself.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

The President can now detain me indefinitely without any due process, solely on his opinion. If I want to fly in an airplane, I must subject myself to very intrusive searches. If I make a phone call, the NSA can listen. If I post to the Internet, the NSA can monitor it. The government is actively trying to stifle speech which does not support global warning. If I give money to, or participate with organizations that do not support the administration, the IRS can monitor them, based solely on their anti-administration views. The TSA is working toward monitoring trains, buses and highways. I can't choose my own health insurance policy. I must accept a government approved policy, whether it meets my needs or not. Massive government spending on war and domestic surveillance has dismissed the value of my money. If I withdraw more than $10,000 from the bank, the government must be informed. The press no longer reports news, it promotes agenda, usually by government. To finance the surveillance state, the government has crippled the chances of my children and grandchildren from reaching their level of success through unsustainable debt. The government is encouraging my friends and family to report my actions to the government. There are many streets I cannot walk down, nor streets and I can drive without the government collecting data about my activities. And I am being taxed to help pay for this affront.

And this is just a start.

You got problems, buddy. If you don't like it here, get the fuck out. Isn't that what they say? Half of what you stated is bullshit anyway.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

So you trust a computer in your daily work. You trust a computer to deliver this post to this website when you type it. You trust the various computers in your car to operate correctly. But you draw the line at a much more complex computer being able to, with all the data, simulate the ability of a plane to fly at certain altitudes and speeds? You're simply kidding yourself.

Boeing has much more to lose than John Lear and all the other Pilots that did similar testing. I really doubt Boeing is going to go against the grain of the initial government narrative. If Boeing's tests were realistic pilots like John Lear wouldn't disagree with it.


Jim

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

You got problems, buddy. If you don't like it here, get the fuck out. Isn't that what they say? Half of what you stated is bullshit anyway.

Hmmm . . . I want honest government. Therefore, I do not deserve to live here.


"Anyone who criticizes government should leave our shores, never to return," said no Founder ever.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Boeing has much more to lose than John Lear and all the other Pilots that did similar testing. I really doubt Boeing is going to go against the grain of the initial government narrative. If Boeing's tests were realistic pilots like John Lear wouldn't disagree with it.


Jim

The 767 has been around a long time. Tests were done way before 9/11. The specs on the plane have been public long before 9/11. Nice try though.

[WombRaider]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Hmmm . . . I want honest government. Therefore, I do not deserve to live here.


"Anyone who criticizes government should leave our shores, never to return," said no Founder ever.

Oh please. Don't pretend to divinate what the founders wanted.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WombRaider

Oh please. Don't pretend to divinate what the founders wanted.

I'm not "divinating" anything. Do you really think they would approve of all the secrecy in government? If so, you're an idiot.