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Old 09-22-2022, 09:44 PM   #31
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Strange civil suite.
No victims.
No laws broken.
No outstanding debts.

When Trump wins this, the Court should order that lard ass Bitch to pay all of his costs.

If it is a civil suite, I am baffled.

If what she alleges is true, and *I* can believe he inflated/deflated his real estate portfolio intentionally to lessen his tax burden, than I would think the state would sue to get what they where cheated out of.

Pay that amount and any penalties and *possibly* be good to go from there. To have him close up shop, *I* think a pervasive agenda of always doing such beyond normal would have to be shown.
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Old 09-22-2022, 09:45 PM   #32
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Salty has been sucking on too many salty nuts . But to each his own
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... uh... Who are you??

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Old 09-23-2022, 09:01 AM   #33
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Now comes the newly minted minority AG from the Democrat party with an unfounded campaign pledge to go after Trump.....for anything. Russia Hoax II. Millions of taxpayer dollars evaporate over a fruitless lawsuit that will be thrown out of court in a year. Letitia is rightfully trailing in the polls. She dropped out of the NY governor's race. She will soon join Stacy Abrams and other grievance mongers on CNN as a talking head... This is what happens when "community activists" get elected based on their racial qualifications alone. The cruel irony is NY minority communities still suffer from rampant crime and government corruption while Letitia tilts at windmills on TV.
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What I find astonishing is the bitch actually holds a law degree from Howard University. Which means either 1) she didn't learn a thing about the law or 2) she willfully ignores the law when she thinks it is politically expedient to do so.

If the New York State Bar Association had any standards, they would disbar her immediately.

Like most politicians, she obviously knows nothing about business or banking and could not write a coherent essay explaining the difference between debt and equity if her life depended on it.
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Check out the dweebs she has working for her... don't they all look like crackerjack lawyers?

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Spent some time trying to decipher the filing. If I’m reading James’s claims right (maybe I’m missing something because I’m certainly not a lawyer), she’s suing him for fraud due to taking a loan and paying it back. How the hell is that fraud and who was defrauded? Clearly not the bank or they’d be the ones suing.
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Spent some time trying to decipher the filing. If I’m reading James’s claims right (maybe I’m missing something because I’m certainly not a lawyer), she’s suing him for fraud due to taking a loan and paying it back. How the hell is that fraud and who was defrauded? Clearly not the bank or they’d be the ones suing.
You seem to be missing something because you’re certainly not a lawyer.
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You seem to be missing something because you’re certainly not a lawyer.
Neither are you, so how would you know he's missing something? And if you do know, why don't you tell us exactly what he's missing?

Sounds like Jacuzzme actually read the filing. Did you?
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Neither are you, so how would you know he's missing something? And if you do know, why don't you tell us exactly what he's missing?

Sounds like Jacuzzme actually read the filing. Did you?
Skimmed, it’s over 100 pages. Mostly it describes back and forth between lenders and borrowers to determine amounts/interest/valuations/etc. I’ve never borrowed millions of dollars, but it seems like it’s boilerplate due diligence on both sides.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...f788a/full.pdf
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IDK the details of the suite (hold on before blasting me) but it seems like the deal is between him and the bankers. If they didn't like something, they wouldn't loan to him. If they had a gripe, they'd make it known.

*I* would say there are shady underdealings going about. If you can't get the dirt on that, than you ain't winning no gold with the case and are settling for less.
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Them Hunnert pagers are really hard without charts and picture, aren’t they?

Make sure your pal LL knows, OK, please and thank you.
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Need help, yssup? Is your sharp legal mind incapable of digesting the claims contained in Letitia's frivolous lawsuit?

Do you need Lustylad to explain it all to you?

If you want my help, maybe you should stop pretending you have me on ignore.

Here's a helping hand from the WSJ.

They're a lot more polite and restrained than I am when it comes to that partisan bitch who is befouling the office of District Attorney for the State of New York.


Letitia James vs. the Trump Family

New York’s AG found her defendants first, then looked for evidence to charge them with something.


By The Editorial Board
Sept. 22, 2022 6:43 pm ET

Common wisdom says that on a good day state attorneys general do 70% politics and 30% law. That’s on a good day. On Wednesday New York Attorney General Letitia James lived up to that reputation by filing a civil lawsuit against Donald Trump. The suit alleges that the former President and three of his children inflated the asset values and net worth of their properties to get better terms from banks on loans and better deals from insurers.

Ms. James ran for office promising to indict Mr. Trump, which is the opposite of the way justice should be done. You’re supposed to find a crime and then identify the perpetrator. Ms. James declared Mr. Trump could “be indicted for criminal offenses” and has hunted ever since for a crime to charge him with.

Her civil lawsuit requires a mere preponderance of evidence standard to prove guilt, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. She has referred the case to the Internal Revenue Service and federal prosecutors in Manhattan, though the Manhattan district attorney didn’t file charges after examining the same issues.

This isn’t to dismiss the financial fraud charges. The lawsuit says Mr. Trump used “objectively false numbers to calculate property values,” including counting his Trump Tower apartment at 30,000 sq. ft. when it was 10,996 sq. ft. so that it could be improperly valued at $327 million. His golf course in Scotland was valued at $327 million on the calculation that 2,500 homes could be developed (worth $267 million) when he had zoning approval for only 1,500 homes and apartments.

“All told, Mr. Trump, the Trump Organization, and the other Defendants, as part of a repeated pattern and common scheme, derived more than 200 false and misleading valuations of assets,” the lawsuit says.

No one who has ever listened to Mr. Trump will be surprised if he hyped the value of his holdings in dealing with bankers. But then no one in New York finance would ever trust only what Mr. Trump claims before signing a document or lending him money.

As far as we’ve seen, the lenders don’t seem to consider themselves victims. They made money on the loans, which didn’t default. The transactions were presumably scoured by auditors and bank due-diligence officers. There is enormous variability in real-estate valuations. The question Ms. James will have to prove is whether Mr. Trump’s claims amounted to intentional fraud.

The scent of politics can be detected in the sanctions Ms. James is seeking. She wrapped the three adult Trump children into the suit and is seeking to bar them for life from being officers of any business in New York. Mr. Trump would be barred from entering into any commercial real-estate acquisitions in New York state for five years and also barred from applying for loans from “any financial institution chartered by or registered with the New York Department of Financial Services” for five years.

She is also seeking $250 million in restitution, which probably exceeds the interest earned on the difference in interest rates that banks might have charged Mr. Trump if his assets were worth less than advertised.

Ms. James’s decision to drop this lawsuit only a few weeks before the midterm election also smacks of political motivation. Mr. Trump isn’t on any ballot. But she knows Mr. Trump drives Democrats to vote, and keeping him at the center of the news is a Democratic priority.

Mr. Trump has made a business and political career of getting away with whatever he can, and it’s easy to imagine he crossed a line. But the Democrats pursuing him have become Captain Ahabs bent on taking him down by any means necessary. Ms. James is a partisan prosecutor, and her charges and evidence need to be examined in that context.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/letitia...te-11663883532
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Skimmed, it’s over 100 pages. Mostly it describes back and forth between lenders and borrowers to determine amounts/interest/valuations/etc. I’ve never borrowed millions of dollars, but it seems like it’s boilerplate due diligence on both sides.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttoo...f788a/full.pdf
You don't have to borrow millions to know how lenders operate. Have you ever refinanced a mortgage? Did the bank simply ask you to state your annual income and the current market value of your home? Or did they require you to furnish W-2s and tax returns to VERIFY your income, and pay for an INDEPENDENT PROFESSIONAL APPRAISAL of your residence before they would approve your loan?

This banking stuff ain't rocket science, except to grossly over-reaching partisan hack DAs who think Trumpy should be jailed for daring to borrow money or take business and personal risks which they themselves are way too chicken-shit to dream of.
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Old 09-26-2022, 07:56 AM   #44
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lock him up and behead him. the libs still wont be satisfied. the hate is real folks!
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A sudden shift in the wind?

You had me at “behead him.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGAG
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