Welcome to ECCIE, become a part of the fastest growing adult community. Take a minute & sign up!

Welcome to ECCIE - Sign up today!

Become a part of one of the fastest growing adult communities online. We have something for you, whether you’re a male member seeking out new friends or a new lady on the scene looking to take advantage of our many opportunities to network, make new friends, or connect with people. Join today & take part in lively discussions, take advantage of all the great features that attract hundreds of new daily members!

Go Premium

Go Back   ECCIE Worldwide > General Interest > The Political Forum
test
The Political Forum Discuss anything related to politics in this forum. World politics, US Politics, State and Local.

Most Favorited Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Most Liked Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Top Reviewers
cockalatte 646
MoneyManMatt 490
Still Looking 399
samcruz 399
Jon Bon 393
Harley Diablo 375
honest_abe 362
DFW_Ladies_Man 313
Chung Tran 288
lupegarland 287
nicemusic 285
You&Me 281
Starscream66 275
George Spelvin 263
sharkman29 255
Top Posters
DallasRain70718
biomed162728
Yssup Rider60438
gman4453234
LexusLover51038
offshoredrilling48471
WTF48267
pyramider46370
bambino41777
CryptKicker37184
Mokoa36491
The_Waco_Kid36158
Chung Tran36100
Still Looking35944
Mojojo33117

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-20-2024, 04:45 AM   #31
txdot-guy
Valued Poster
 
txdot-guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1, 2010
Location: Austin Texas
Posts: 1,857
Default

For those interested, it looks like they will avoid a shutdown.

House Republicans Defy Trump’s Call for Brinkmanship on Shutdown

Party leaders discuss three-month deal that is expected to be amenable to Democrats

WASHINGTON—House Republicans signaled Thursday they have no appetite for a government-shutdown battle right ahead of the November election, ignoring exhortations from former President Donald Trump to hold the line on an election-security bill opposed by Democrats.

GOP leaders are discussing a bill that would keep federal agencies funded until mid-December, an idea in line with what Democrats have said they would support. The new proposal under discussions being led by House Speaker Mike Johnson (R., La.) could get a vote early next week and then head to the Democratic-run Senate. It leaves out any election-related provisions, which Democrats had called a poison pill.

Congress needs to act by the Sept. 30 end of the fiscal year to prevent a partial government shutdown.

The revised approach would mark the latest in a series of humbling episodes for Republican leaders, who have repeatedly relied on Democrats this term to help pass spending legislation in the House due to deep divisions in the GOP ranks and their narrow majority.

Read more here:
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...d=hp_lead_pos6
txdot-guy is online now   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 06:40 AM   #32
eyecu2
Premium Access
 
eyecu2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 21, 2011
Location: Bonerville
Posts: 5,761
Encounters: 82
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by farmstud60 View Post
I have forgotten more about economics than you will ever know Blackman.

And here I thought you were the bovine expert vs economics. Buy pork bellies, sell oranges!

Lol. Does the Oracle of Omaha keep you on speed dial in case he has a question? That Missouri River has both healing and huge economic properties, that impart economic knowledge to all who drink from its healing shores.

What reason do you think the Fed used to do 50 basis point reduction??
eyecu2 is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 11:25 AM   #33
farmstud60
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 22, 2011
Location: Omaha, NE nearby
Posts: 3,059
Encounters: 25
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eyecu2 View Post
And here I thought you were the bovine expert vs economics. Buy pork bellies, sell oranges!

Lol. Does the Oracle of Omaha keep you on speed dial in case he has a question? That Missouri River has both healing and huge economic properties, that impart economic knowledge to all who drink from its healing shores.

What reason do you think the Fed used to do 50 basis point reduction??

Many think because the economy is starting to struggle more, with the huge revision downward of the jobs numbers.
farmstud60 is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 12:48 PM   #34
Expresso Jim
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 22, 2011
Location: East of the Mississippi
Posts: 880
Default

Me too. The pure stupidity or blatant ignorance on display on this thread is beyond the pale.
Quote:
Originally Posted by txdot-guy View Post
I’m speechless.
Expresso Jim is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 02:40 PM   #35
1blackman1
Lifetime Premium Access
 
Join Date: Nov 16, 2013
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 5,941
Encounters: 41
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by farmstud60 View Post
Many think because the economy is starting to struggle more, with the huge revision downward of the jobs numbers.
Are those many at all versed in monetary policy or economics or are just folks that watch NesMax and Fox and read from TownHall or other right wing outlets and think someone giving them political spin is actually informing them?
1blackman1 is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 06:52 PM   #36
farmstud60
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 22, 2011
Location: Omaha, NE nearby
Posts: 3,059
Encounters: 25
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1blackman1 View Post
Are those many at all versed in monetary policy or economics or are just folks that watch NesMax and Fox and read from TownHall or other right wing outlets and think someone giving them political spin is actually informing them?

Commodity news and brokers.


Do you have any other source for info besides the Marxist DNC propaganda main stream media?
farmstud60 is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 08:00 PM   #37
1blackman1
Lifetime Premium Access
 
Join Date: Nov 16, 2013
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 5,941
Encounters: 41
Default

Actual economists, bankers, corporate execs, etc.
1blackman1 is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 08:41 PM   #38
lustylad
Premium Access
 
lustylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 8, 2010
Location: Steeler Nation
Posts: 18,499
Encounters: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eyecu2 View Post
What reason do you think the Fed used to do 50 basis point reduction??
Good question, eye. Why don't you try answering it?

Could it be, as the OP suggested, that the Fed has access to data signaling the economy may be weaker than we think?

(Psst - You'll have to wait 3 weeks before they release the minutes of the Fed's Sept. 17-18 deliberations.)

Why are you guys insulting each other instead of speaking plain economics?

For what it's worth, Fed Governor Michelle Bowman voted for only a quarter-point instead of a half-point cut. In her dissent, she argued the economy is still strong and it's premature to claim victory in bringing inflation down to the Fed's target level of 2.0% or less.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newse...n20240920a.htm
lustylad is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 09:00 PM   #39
lustylad
Premium Access
 
lustylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 8, 2010
Location: Steeler Nation
Posts: 18,499
Encounters: 9
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas McCain View Post
I will add this... Look at the stock market today to know what they think about this recent rate cut. It never lies...
Lol. Pray tell, Luke... how does one gauge whether the stock market is lying or telling the truth?

An experienced market watcher told me years ago - the market moves first, then finds reasons for it afterwards.

Newsflash - Fed rate cuts don't automatically goose stock prices. Look what happened back in 2008. The Fed cut rates all the way to zero. The S&P 500 index was down by 39% for the year. Was the market signaling disapproval of the rate cutting? Of course not!
lustylad is offline   Quote
Old 09-20-2024, 09:40 PM   #40
txdot-guy
Valued Poster
 
txdot-guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 1, 2010
Location: Austin Texas
Posts: 1,857
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by farmstud60 View Post
Many think because the economy is starting to struggle more, with the huge revision downward of the jobs numbers.
Actually I need to apologize to farmstud. My original post was a bit knee jerk because I misunderstood the point he was trying to make.

If the question is the economy in more trouble than most people believe, indicated by a .5 vs .25 rate change, he could be correct.

The bls revised jobs numbers could certainly be a factor in the fed’s deliberations. I personally think that the job number revisions are more a counting of Immigrant labor in the bls questionnaire than an actual miscount.

The surveys they do reflect a lot of underground labor that’s not reported in the actual statistics.

We’ll see however. The economy is slowing but not yet headed to recession. I expect the fed to take us down another.25 point at the next meeting.
txdot-guy is online now   Quote
Old 09-21-2024, 07:50 AM   #41
farmstud60
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 22, 2011
Location: Omaha, NE nearby
Posts: 3,059
Encounters: 25
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1blackman1 View Post
Actual economists, bankers, corporate execs, etc.

So the educated idiots that are wrong more than they are right.


Actually the commodity market news takes those sources into account.
farmstud60 is offline   Quote
Old 09-21-2024, 08:15 AM   #42
1blackman1
Lifetime Premium Access
 
Join Date: Nov 16, 2013
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 5,941
Encounters: 41
Default

I suppose we'll see who's right, though I already know the answer. Hint, it ain’t Trump or NewsMax/Fox.
1blackman1 is offline   Quote
Old 09-21-2024, 10:02 AM   #43
farmstud60
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 22, 2011
Location: Omaha, NE nearby
Posts: 3,059
Encounters: 25
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1blackman1 View Post
I suppose we'll see who's right, though I already know the answer. Hint, it ain’t Trump or NewsMax/Fox.

Hint, you don't know what truth is if you believe ABC is a credible news organization.
farmstud60 is offline   Quote
Old 09-21-2024, 11:27 AM   #44
1blackman1
Lifetime Premium Access
 
Join Date: Nov 16, 2013
Location: Baton Rouge
Posts: 5,941
Encounters: 41
Default

I also know NewsMax, Fox, Townhall, etc aren’t even sources much less credible. If you believe them or spend one iota of time reading, watching or consuming their garbage you’re what is referred to as a low information “person”.
1blackman1 is offline   Quote
Old 09-23-2024, 08:28 PM   #45
Texas Contrarian
Lifetime Premium Access
 
Join Date: Mar 29, 2009
Location: Texas Hill Country
Posts: 3,320
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by farmstud60 View Post
I wonder if the Fed cutting interest rates by .5% means the economy is worse than all the numbers the Biden administration is putting out there.
In my view, it's simply too early to tell, though I believe the risk of impending slowdown/recession with rising unemployment is significantly greater than the risk of a serious inflation resurgence.

Note that economists' records of forecasting the onset of recessions is very bad, to put it mildly. Many decades ago, the late John Kenneth Galbraith quipped (and not without justification!) that economic forecasters serve the purpose of making astrologers look prescient.

The reason I think a 50-bp cut was warranted is that the Fed kept the "higher for longer" narrative well beyond what should have been it's "sell-by date."

Look at the 2-year Treasury, which I and many others consider arguably the best proxy for expectations of the Fed funds target rate, inflation, and growth. The 2-year market "looks out" further than the market for shorter-term (3-month, 6-month, etc.) paper.

And take a look at how the 2-year yield has dropped sharply over the last few months.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DGS2

About 140 bps in 5 months. (That's a lot!)

Ultimately, the Fed funds target rate must converge toward real-world market rates, lest distortions continue for so long that something busts (such as large swaths of the CRE market, for instance.)

Also, the financial system does not function well over the long term if the yield curve does not have a nice, positive slope. To get to that point, short rates need to decline to levels significantly lower than the 10-year T-note (which, of course, is the primary guidepost for 30-year fixed-rate residential mortgages).

The reason I don't think inflation is that much of a risk going forward is that the spike of a couple of years ago was quite a bit different animal from the "Great Inflation" of the 1970s-early'80s, and was primarily a function of the spending binges of 2020-2022, which poured several trillion dollars of "excess savings" directly into household bank accounts, rather than open market operations and interest rate-targeting by the Fed. Of course, one should note here that the Fed openly stated during those years that it was standing by, ready to accommodate all those spending binges by monetizing the newly accumulated debt if necessary. And the big pile of "excess savings" (estimated by JPM analysts to be close to $2.3 trillion at the peak about three years ago) has been almost completely spent down; thus there isn't much "fuel" to drive inflation higher moving forward.

Quote:
Originally Posted by txdot-guy View Post
I expect the fed to take us down another.25 point at the next meeting.
I agree. And, I suspect, at the December meeting as well. And the Feb 1st meeting, too, more than likely.

For anyone interested in reading more about the early 2020s inflation, I highly recommend John Cochrane's excellent book The Fiscal theory of the Price Level. Additionally, he has occasionally written columns for the WSJ and other publications.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Cochrane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal...he_price_level

A fair bit of hilarity ensued when Paul Krugman (who does not seem to like being criticized) opened fire on Cochrane with a bunch of insults a few years back after the latter wrote a piece musing about how the Great Krugtron was so very wrong about some fundamental things. Cochrane, who apparently "gives as good as he gets," replied with (among other things) comments that instead of being a serious empirical economist, Krugman speaks and writes like a rabidly partisan opinion columnist and seems hell-bent on being "the Rush Limbaugh of the left." (Ouch!!)
Texas Contrarian is offline   Quote
Reply



AMPReviews.net
Find Ladies
Hot Women

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2009 - 2016, ECCIE Worldwide, All Rights Reserved