Green Energy versus Permian Basin Blues and fossil fuels

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by WTF

https://pluginamerica.org/how-much-d...-electric-car/

On average you save 8-900 bucks on 15k miles of driving.

And from the self-serving source...
The demand for electric cars...IS INSANE!!
Why all the Gumment subsidy for electric cars...if they are so great then consumer demand would negate any need for subsidies...

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The problem with fusion is the amount of energy it takes to start the hydrogen isotope fusion process. It’s basically the same temperature as the center of a fission explosion. Millions of degrees F.

That, and the big boom.

It’s relative easy to controll a fission reaction. We solved that problem back in the ‘30’s. But at this time, there is no way to control a fusion reaction.

I agree, though. We need to work on it.

I see you have done some research as have I...they have come a long way...but fission energy compare to fusion energy...is like a kids little cox motor and a top fuel dragster!!
The energy created fussing two hydrogen atoms to create the heavier helium atom...IS MIND BLOWING...trillions and trillions of stars do it everyday and have for BILLIONS of years!!
It's the photons we enjoy as living beings on earth...using the photons for solar energy and life itself...just one of the byproduct of fusion.

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The problem with fusion is the amount of energy it takes to start the hydrogen isotope fusion process. It’s basically the same temperature as the center of a fission explosion. Millions of degrees F.

That, and the big boom.

It’s relative easy to controll a fission reaction. We solved that problem back in the ‘30’s. But at this time, there is no way to control a fusion reaction.

I agree, though. We need to work on it.

read that there was a breakthrough on the fusion development and had to do with the scaling up the power of magnets to better control the fusion plasma and keep it running longer. they claim to have a working prototype by 2025.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

well theres always the maintenance issue with with wind turbines. prolly costs more and is time consuming to repair and replace the oil in those machines.


and not mention they are ugly!!!!!



bird strikes are a valid argument. just can't flip the bird on that argument.

+1

Originally Posted by agrarian

Folks who defend wind typically fail to mention the lifespan issues related to wind turbines.

Folks on here who relentlessly attack wind never bring up this issue.

They attack wind using lame rationale, like bird strikes or lubricant leaks. Bird strikes?
If you're concerned about birds you'd better start comparing the bird killing done by fossil fuels versus bird strikes caused by turbine blades. Lubricant leaks? Practically zero problems. There are other problems related to wind, like noise or looks or down time. Wind will fill a niche, especially in windy regions, but should never be looked at as a primary source.

You forgot to mention the pollution caused by mining for the rare earth elements that are required to build and maintain those wind turbines, and lubricant leaks are only a small part of the issue. You're ignoring that fossil fuels are still required to operate those wind turbines and that the amount of fossil fuel required increases with the number of wind turbines that are put into production. Not only are they subject to leaks, the oil has to be changed and disposed of.

[Yssup Rider]

IBH is a science denier.

His opinion is tainted by his politics.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

IBH is a science denier.

His opinion is tainted by his politics.

I wouldn't be the ignoramus denying the pollution caused by your so-called "green energy" solutions.

[Yssup Rider]

Which solutions have I proposed, IBH?

You’re out of your element again.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Which solutions have I proposed, IBH?

You’re out of your element again.

I wouldn't be the ignoramus denying the pollution caused by your so-called "green energy" solutions.

[oeb11]

Well - what solutions do you propose?
The Green New Deal?
10 years to totally subjugate the US under a Socialist tyrannical Yoke
sounds good to You DPST's?????
That " proposal" is much less about energy solutions than the entry for total political control of the nation!!!

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I wouldn't be the ignoramus denying the pollution caused by your so-called "green energy" solutions.

Which ignoramus would you be?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Which ignoramus would you be?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I wouldn't be the ignoramus denying the pollution caused by your so-called "green energy" solutions.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by oeb11

Well - what solutions do you propose?
The Green New Deal?
10 years to totally subjugate the US under a Socialist tyrannical Yoke
sounds good to You DPST's?????
That " proposal" is much less about energy solutions than the entry for total political control of the nation!!!

You DPST’s?

Then it’s safe to assume you’re calling me that every time you post that acronym.

Thanks for the clarification.

Did you check your PMs?

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by agrarian

Folks who defend wind typically fail to mention the lifespan issues related to wind turbines.

Folks on here who relentlessly attack wind never bring up this issue.

They attack wind using lame rationale, like bird strikes or lubricant leaks. Bird strikes?
If you're concerned about birds you'd better start comparing the bird killing done by fossil fuels versus bird strikes caused by turbine blades. Lubricant leaks? Practically zero problems. There are other problems related to wind, like noise or looks or down time. Wind will fill a niche, especially in windy regions, but should never be looked at as a primary source.

I agree. We kill hundreds of thousands of birds each year with automobiles alone. We never hear anything about it.

The truth is, there is no free lunch.

I know a maintenance supervisor of one of the larger wind farms in south Texas. In the past 10 years, they have grown like huge weeds down there. What is becoming apparent is these huge and very complicated pieces of machinery need regular maintenance and care just like any other.

Most people have no clue wat is inside a typical wind turbine, all they see are the huge blades. The rotor is connected to a huge planetary gear box that steps the RPM up to the desired speed of the generator. Between these is a sophisticated clutch/Governor/ brake assembly. There is a huge slewing motor and gear assembly that keeps the blades pointed at optimum wind direction at all times.

All of this is controlled by computers.

Maintenance is of prime concern.

What we need to do is utilize all of our energy resources. Wind, hydro, nuclear, solar, and yes, fossil.

It will take an effort. I will not live to see the day when we figure out how to convert fossil fuels to energy with no side affects. I will not live to see battery technology offset the virtual strip mining of huge areas to obtain the needed resources. I will not live to see the day when huge dams do not kill fish and disrupt entire eco systems. And I will not live to see the day when huge windfarms don’t create a whole new set of undesirable problems.

But somebody will.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

I wouldn't be the ignoramus denying the pollution caused by your so-called "green energy" solutions.

Yes you have to look in total each source of energy's pollution vs long term cleanup/pollution.

And people have to remember how long certain segments of society denied the science of say cigarette smoke polluting ones lungs and secound hand smoke. Many would have smokers still on airplanes!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Yes you have to look in total each source of energy's pollution vs long term cleanup/pollution.

And people have to remember how long certain segments of society denied the science of say cigarette smoke polluting ones lungs and secound hand smoke. Many would have smokers still on airplanes!