Thoughts on #SESTA #FOSTA...

[Nicole Cox]

from my understanding (which may or may not be correct) on what I read. While "sex trafficking" is what they claim to be going after. The government doesn't recognize sex work as "work" therefore there cannot be consensual sex work. If a website is promoting sex work in anyway then they are liable criminally and civilly.

No, there is no place in the newspapers anymore for escorts. There's not even a designated area for them like there use to be. And that's my point. They law pushed us out of the phone books and then the newspapers. Hence here we all are on the web. If the government wants to shut down the websites that we have grown accustomed to using, then they will.

[davephx]

Originally Posted by tia travels

I would assume if the provider is not doing any trafficking, she shouldn't have to worry about anything more than she does right now with getting busted. The act goes after traffickers, correct?

NOPE, "prostitution" is max 10 years in prison, while "trafficking" is 25 years in prison for any website owner, manager or moderator that "promotes" or has "ads" for either.

We also have the new Cloud Act passed with no discussion in the budget bill that eliminates the need for search warrants or probable cause to get any info from web hosts. And addresses foreign data sharing with foreign hosts.

I am updating regularly with detailed information at http://phxlist.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=20

[davephx]

Originally Posted by xfrankthetankx

I think TER pulled their ads because they are the only site with a presence that could be argued as national. Regional sites are the way to go.

The bill states applies to interstate commerce which includes ALL websites just like it applied to phone calls tapped. Phones and the web are national interstate, even if a local call or a local board.

Your phone call to the next door neighbor may be routed all over the US or world or via satellite just to get next door.

[Sexyhunnypot]

Originally Posted by Snurfma

Funny, I just checked local newspaper the other day and there's pretty much no place for an escort ad anyone.

The Indy girls I knew were not tech savvy enough to use the dark net nor are most of us boys so things could get ugly.

Any one know if the old IRC boards still exist? A solution needs to decentalized.

My understanding is the Tor browser is the way onto the Dark Net, anyone know a good primer on how to use it?

Remember ISP'S can block out of country website with a static IP address and they could fuck with the DNS servers so when you type in goodBJ.com it will not find the server. Careful what you download and be safe IRL.

I’m currently talking to my computer guru should figure out this dark web stuff quickly.

[HavanaGeorge]

it does affect them if it affects US interstate commerce.

[easymoe]

If you want to get on the dark web just google Tor, download it, install it, open it, and find yourself a .onion site. Be careful. There's stuff on the dark web that makes what we do here look like choir practice. Also, if you don't know what you're doing it's easy to slip up and forget a setting that unmasks you and makes it possible for you to be tracked.

So now that I've given my expertise on what I know, is there a lawyer or someone familiar with constitutional law that can explain how this law doesn't violate the first amendment? The government is forcing private companies to censor user-generated speech. So the government can't censor speech themselves, but they can force someone else to? How does that make any sense? I mean we're not talking about the actual acts of trafficking or prostitution. We're talking about words on a webpage.

[JackOneil]

The sad thing is this likely has nothing to do with anyone in our government caring about sex trafficking. More likely has to do with money.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...internet.shtml

[VegasJen]

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[VegasJen]

So now that I've given my expertise on what I know, is there a lawyer or someone familiar with constitutional law that can explain how this law doesn't violate the first amendment? The government is forcing private companies to censor user-generated speech. So the government can't censor speech themselves, but they can force someone else to? How does that make any sense? I mean we're not talking about the actual acts of trafficking or prostitution. We're talking about words on a webpage.[/QUOTE]

I think davepx is the guy for this

[tannana]

Originally Posted by carmenryder

Invest in Nord VPN & you will be stil go anywhere on the net after the new law goes into full affect.

Or, get TOR for free and do that today. The issue is for providers and site owners. Mongers are likely no better nor worse off save the fact that sites are likely to drop like flies.

[be-kind_rewind]

Hi all. Here's some info on Eccie.

The domain name was purchased on godaddy.com, an American domain registrar.



The U.S. Govt could tell Go Daddy to remove the domain. Eccie could just move registration to a foreign registrar if that happens.



The hosting servers the website resides on are in Amsterdam. Because of this, the Govt could just ask Eccie to remove the U.S. portion of the forum. You'd then need VPN to access the site from that point onward.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by tia travels

I would assume if the provider is not doing any trafficking, she shouldn't have to worry about anything more than she does right now with getting busted. The act goes after traffickers, correct?

That's what its SUPPOSED to do, but look at the sites already showing their bellies.. Craigs list, cityvibe..

Originally Posted by xfrankthetankx

Look up the CLOUD Act that was signed by the President today as part of the Omnibus Budget Act.

VPNs may not be as safe as they used to be because of that act.

And not everyone's computer literate enough to USE let alone set up a VPN..

[Gotyour6]

Originally Posted by Grace Preston

You assume we don't own guns? How exactly does THAT work?

Side note--- guns and ammo, still available.

You missed the point.
Entirely

[Becca Blossoms]

Through my research I realized that over seas sites may not be safe.

https://www.cnet.com/news/cloud-act-...net-microsoft/

I don't know if other countries will cooperate. Maybe it's time to start looking into the laws and policies of the countries some of the sites are hosted in.

[HavanaGeorge]

once again if it affects us commerce related to this law, the us govt can seize the site with this law