Ladies, It's About Maximizing Revenue Per Visit, Not Revenue Per Hour

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by oilfieldscum

Yep the OP could could have easily written several reviews with the time you've spent on these threads ......of course they wouldn't bring you the attention that you seem to be craving.

Maybe a BBFS review or two would help.

That's like the pot calling the kettle black except for the BBFS part because in order to achieve that you would actually have to make an appointment and get laid. You wouldn't know much about that, would you?

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by citizen44

We've always known you were talented Dorthy

Mmmmmm, I would like to make an appointment with Dorthy.

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by NubianPrince

The average trick can't tell the difference between Vietnamese and Chinese

There's more variety in Latinas..period
Colombians,Cubans,Mexicans,Bra zilians,Ecuadorians,Hondurans, Salvadorans,Ricans,Dominicans etc

Even if all u can afford are BBWs..saying they all look the same is insane

They pretty much look all the same, brown skin to very black skin. About the only ones that have pale skin are the Colombians or the "racially white" Latins. There are more variety in Caucasians, period.

[WolfWhistle]

Originally Posted by citizen44

Both groups look all the same....1 head, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 feet, 1 pussy.......whats not the same?

For one thing, your blow-up doll shouldn't be included in the roster.

[citizen44]

You know, you don't have to respond to every single post from everyone like it's all some kind of conversation just for you right? If you're going to keep that stupid shit up, learn to multi-quote

[WolfWhistle]

[QUOTE=citizen44;1057269431 you don't have to respond to every single post from everyone..... learn to multi-quote[/QUOTE]

I respond when I have something to say, man. I don't sit there and post, "hey what's up shit," do I? How's that for multi-quote? You were the one who wants to have a conversation by posting that stupid comment on co-ed as if the ladies are going to fucking listen to your stupid ideas. No wonder you have to pay for it. If you don't like how the girl runs her business, then fucking drop her like how you momma dropped you on your head when you were way little. Why don't you get your eyesight checked. I still don't understand how you could confuse blue with that of brown.

[Wakeup]

Ladies...how many of you give a shit about anything said in the OP?

[Guest030816]

Originally Posted by SweetDulce

Oh yeah, 2hrs plus free Coke, the drink, not my ass.

Maybe if you were to offer Root Beer Float?

[FoxyNC]

Well...

Originally Posted by citizen44

1): Yes it is another one of those threads
2): Like teachers say, if you can get through to just one....
3): Sorry Samantha, but your case is the perfect example. I'm not picking on you, just trying to get providers to break a failed mindset
4): To offset the inevitable claims of looking for cheap rates, I hereby ask all providers who read this to institute a special C44 price adder of +100 on whatever your rate is.
5): Yes, insomnia sucks

TLDR: Get creative and don't feel like you are locked into a rate.

Ok, so a review of Samantha Pearl was posted yesterday and some things stick out http://m.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=1512517

Now Samantha normally operates under Paradigm Companions where they all charge 300/hr. So lets look at her info:

P411: Link down but I seem to recall same as Eccie
Eccie: rates are 300/350, nothing about 30 minute appointments, requires references. Only two reviews this year
And how many reviews do you think she should have? Because she has 2 this year, which is enough to confirm she is still in business and if her looks/services have changed, and plenty more going on that page, and yet another page in total.

But if we look in the review we find this.

BP: rates 200/220 with 30 minutes at 100, and what ever BP ladies require for screening if at all.

Why is she on BP? Plain and simple, she's not making enough money. Who cares if you can claim to be a 500/hr provider if you only get one client a week. Waitress make more.
This is just so untrue... and presumptuous.
Not all waitresses may even work 40 hours, some may not make that in a week, and if you take into consideration the fact they have to work MANY toe-busting feet throbbing ego-bursting hours (constant griping from picky customers!) Waitresses do not make more. Cray-Cray...

Break out of a failed mindset where you price with the herd and never adjust rates or appointment times. Do other providers want you to do this? No, it's in their best interest if you charge as high an hourly rate as possible, and preferably higher than them.

Now if you want a real smack of honesty... I don't give a shit if another providers rates are higher or lower...
Actually I'd LOVE to emulate the successful ones who charge $$$$ an hour or better? You know why?
The way I figure it, is like this.... If I charge $250 and I suck one dick, that's my business. And if another hooker is on backpage doing the same thing for $50, I'm kind of shaking my head, because that hooker is having to suck five dicks to my one dick to make that same total of $250.
I am not mad her; I pity her. I do not feel threatened by her. Hell I have tried to hook a couple BP bitches up with forum info, but they lashed out!! Seriously, as though I were trying to tell them how to "run their business" But okay, bitches, keep sucking those dicks 5:1... Now, with that being said; I'm quite sure there is some true HDH who is laughing their asses off at all of us Eccie hookers because they command 2.5k an hour.... And we are sucking 10:1 dicks compared to them to make that same 2.5k.
This also is not addressing the difference in the types of clientele that different price brackets attract.... Obviously when you offer bottom shelf prices, you are going to attract bottom feeder clients.
Not the high end clientele we all wish we had.
You have no idea the true mindset of a hooker.

Do other providers want you to offer 30 minute appointments? No.

Again. Wrong. I could care less. Good for any lady who does... But me personally, I don't want the "30 minute TYPES" and I mean those clients and yes, there is a type...

Do all providers have to do this? No. If you are Ariel More with a two week waiting list, you get to charge what ever you want. This post is not for providers with that FOTM popularity.

So what would I advise for Samantha?
1). Stay off BP for your own safety.
2). Drop your p411/Eccie rates to 250/300 (you can always raise them again).
3). Offer some 200 review specials one weekend a month to generate some buzz and get some reviews.
4). Offer some 30 minute appointments at 150 for either the lunch crowd or at times of the day when you're normally extremely slow.
5). Offer longer appointments that look like great hourly discounted bargains but which add 25-100% more income per visit.
So what you are saying if we charge less for multihours, we make more....
On that I can agree.

For most guys, variety is key. If you tell us the second hour is at the same rate as the first, our need for variety instantly leans us toward giving our money to a different provider instead of booking the second hour with you.


Now this part here is GOLD. I do my own rate structure, instead of all multihours being the (hour-rate X hours) instead, I lower each proceeding hour... I prefer multihours, and I let my rates reflect that; It draws the types of clients and $penders I like. None of those "wham bammers."
And a man will probably come out with more services at a lesser overall cost if providers priced as this: prefers to make more income per session versus hourly.




6). If you are ok with anal, restrict access and use it as a free add-on instead of offering discounts during slow times or offer it as all inclusive as part of a higher rate. "Free" anal sounds like free Coke. a cola to guys and is a powerful advertising pitch


My advise - Stay off of backpage, good advice, no argument there.
However, if she did want to use BP,
I would be pushing the hell out of:
"AVN Winner 1996-Best Couples Sex Scene!!" Incase anyone missed that in her profile.... (I am wondering why the hell a pornstar would have such cheap rates? Which lends to other questions, now doesn't it?)
Nothing wrong with specials on occasion, but consistency does confuse people especially when clients read reviews; however, not all reviews "tell the whole story".... She may raise or lower her rates at her own discretion which is why the numbers may be all over the place. Maybe she's testing the market. Maybe she's seeing if she can deal with different types of clientele.
Maybe she is temporarily doing 30 minutes to fish for a more steady base of regulars.
Maybe she doesn't want to just draw 30 minute seeking clients.

For someone who is giving advise, C55, you sure do not understand the whole mindset of what providers deal with and must master.




Am I suggesting you turn yourself into a 50/hr human Fleshlite? No, you have the limiting conditions of taking care of your body and everyone try's to optimize effort for gain.
Yet, you repeatedly want chicks to lower their prices.... J....F....C..... Say it ain't so!
What I am suggesting is that rather than take more risk with something like BP, get creative with your rates and advertising specials.

Remember, it's about income per visit, not income per hour.
No, it's about the hourS. If we didn't charge by the hour, we'd charge by the visit. Time is money, honey.

Also, don't forget that you need to charge me more than any other hobbiest
And finally, the truth.

Originally Posted by Wakeup

Ladies...how many of you give a shit about anything said in the OP?

[citizen44]

Originally Posted by FoxyNC

Yet, you repeatedly want chicks to lower their prices.... J....F....C..... Say it ain't so

Really, I suggested she lower her price? She wasn't getting 300 so you can ignore that rate, which is also why she was going for 200 on BP. I suggested she raise her price to 250 and stay on p411.

Does all that really read like me trying to make her less money, or trying to make her more by being smarter and more creative?

[FoxyNC]

If she was on P411, Eccie, and still on BP, obviously Eccie & P411 weren't alone providing for her financial needs. You are right about lowering her prices from $350 on Eccie, if she can't sustain the client base she needs at that price-point (being the $350/ph...)
But.... Running specials is a very temporary solution to a long term marketing problem.
Yes, it makes more volume, but also tends to lead to other issues.
I could be wrong.... but that's what all of my "hooker research" has led me to deduce.
I never ran a "special" but I have read about girls, who lower prices or do "specials", having a hell of a time with newly acquired clients paying the "normal" price after getting the "special price." And that is a headache & negotiations that are NOT worth the trouble, imho.

I have a couple of Grandfathered rate guys I see, and they kill me on the multi-hours.
I have worked two years with reviews, and after the first year, raised my prices, and again, did so this fall.
I have no less calls than I did, from new guys, and I dread the grandfathered rates; yet I wish to keep my clients. It does irk me that when I see one of them for 2 hours, I am making 71% of what I would with a newer priced client, yet it would totally kill me if I lost the clients altogether by raising prices on them.
71% is better than 0%; ALL DAY.
So I get it... truly, I do.
Clients are still customers, consumers, shoppers...
And who doesn't like a good deal?
But don't people usually wait for stuff to "go on sale" once they KNOW there will be a sale?


That's why I set my prices the way I do, and haven't ran "specials."
(Not saying I won't when I land in Texas... but.... I think I am more inclined NOT to.)

[citizen44]

If you look again, I said to only offer review specials one weekend a month to make sure you get some reviews. The other place I mentioned it, I said to up your normal rate first so that even if he does get a review special, you're still getting the same money. Again, how is that telling her to make less money?

[Sarunga]

Originally Posted by citizen44

5): Yes, insomnia sucks

Go to the gym. Get onto a serious (cardio) exercise routine. That will help.

[Guest092816]

Originally Posted by WolfWhistle

I don't see too many ladies coming to your defense. Would I care if they did? Nope. I don't believe you.

Mmmmm, variety? A Latin girl is a Latin girl. They look all the same; there isn't much variety in that. If you like variety so much and if the supply of girls is so lacking for you here in Houston I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing men in drag and other anomalies of nature. Like you said, you can't focus on just one flavor.

clearly you have not been with a lot of Latinas if you think we all look alike. we are the one race that come in every Complexion because we are mixed with a little bit of everything.

Example:

Natalia A Latina

Azebella A Latina

& We look NOTHING alike...

[citizen44]

He's still butt hurt because on his only trip to an agency, he ignored all the reviews on a lady, and got lost in the complex because he couldn't see the car size A/C unit sitting in plain sight on the corner of the building right in front of him.

So to him, now all Latinas are a problem except for

Originally Posted by WolfWhistle

the "racially white" Latins.