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02-27-2022, 11:53 AM
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Which one let Putin get away with putting bounties on our Troops and then called him smart for invading the Ukraine? If you answer this rhetorical question, you’re only proving that you don’t understand how the world really works.
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02-27-2022, 12:14 PM
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02-27-2022, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Letsplaypgh
Which one let Putin get away with putting bounties on our Troops and then called him smart for invading the Ukraine? If you answer this rhetorical question, you’re only proving that you don’t understand how the world really works.
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Except it was all made up bullshit, there were never any bounties except in the minds of the MSM.
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02-27-2022, 12:41 PM
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Those deniers of reality here also forget this which besides Nordstream 2 was another gift to Putin from Senile Biden
Biden’s Plan To Outsource The U.S. Oil And Gas Industry
It is not a revelation to discover that the Biden administration intends to phase out the U.S. oil and gas industry. But it is astonishing to see how quickly it is moving to accomplish this, while sending production abroad to producers in Russia and Middle Eastern nations whose commitment to reduce greenhouse gases is at best questionable.
The most recent action, revealed on August 11, was to implore OPEC and fellow traveler Russia to increase their production
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasd...h=4f10e24d4548
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02-27-2022, 01:41 PM
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Except no one in their right mind expects oil and gas to be fully replaced within out lifetimes. That's aspirational without substantial cultural change and some significant technological advancement.
There is, however, a substantial expectation of a continuation of the strong shift towards alternatives. Potentially a partial swing back to nuclear as coal and oil continue to be replaced as the dominant resources in the mix by LNG, solar, wind, hydro, geothermal and other forms of energy, as battery storage improve and as microgrids become more prevalent.
That's a reality that the energy industry is keenly aware of, which accounts for how they've been investing their dollars when it comes to new plants and updating existing ones.
And they're aware that replacing a coal plant with combined-cycle is temporary, as they transition further and they'll be converting again or scrapping those sites as well once it's cost effective to do so and other infrastructure takes over the burden just as oil and gas replaced their predecessors
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02-27-2022, 02:07 PM
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Except no one in their right mind expects oil and gas to be fully replaced within out lifetimes. That's aspirational without substantial cultural change and some significant technological advancement.
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And yet Senile Biden has declared war on American energy producers as well as reducing inflow from Canada and has forced the US to rely on energy from Russia and the Middle East.
Even if your claim that this is aspirational is true - anyone in their right minds knows you don't destroy energy production at home in order to rely on imports from unstable or unfriendly regimes
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02-27-2022, 02:14 PM
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The same stupid talking point that dumb fuck said.
He didn't have to and why do it then.
Trump was busy weakening NATO, there was no hurry?
And Trump probably begged him between suck not to cause any more problems for him.
He had already fucked things up enough!
And Putin put his hand on the top of his head pushed him down a bit more and said give me some throat and it a deal!
Fucking tratior! 🤣😅😂
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Just a reminder:
Under Bush, Russia invaded Georgia.
Under Obama, Russia took Crimea.
Under Biden, Russia invaded Ukraine.
Trump is the only president of the twenty-first century on who’s watch Russia did not invade another country
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02-27-2022, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by berryberry
And yet Senile Biden has declared war on American energy producers as well as reducing inflow from Canada and has forced the US to rely on energy from Russia and the Middle East.
Even if your claim that this is aspirational is true - anyone in their right minds knows you don't destroy energy production at home in order to rely on imports from unstable or unfriendly regimes
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Except it's not been destroyed. That kind of catastrophized hyperbole just may win you an award this year though. It's early enough that you still have time to go further off the rails.
How much oil and gas are imported from Russia and the Middle East as a % of total used? It's a rhetorical question. It's not as substantial as you'd like to exaggerate it is
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02-27-2022, 02:40 PM
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Except it's not been destroyed. That kind of catastrophized hyperbole just may win you an award this year though. It's early enough that you still have time to go further off the rails.
How much oil and gas are imported from Russia and the Middle East as a % of total used? It's a rhetorical question. It's not as substantial as you'd like to exaggerate it is
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And yet the US has gone from being a net exporter of Oil and Gas under President Trump to a Net Importer under Senile Biden. So yes Senile Biden is working to destroy US energy production.
And there is this - Russia Is United States’ Top Source Of Imported Gasoline
In 2021, Russia accounted for 21% of all U.S. gasoline imports, with Canada second at 17%. By value, Russian imports increased 71.05%, which is slightly less than gasoline imports from the world, which increased 80.53%. The Russian total was $12.78 billion.
That's nearly $13 billion US dollars that went to prop up Russia. No wonder Hunter Biden got $3.5 million from the mayor of Moscow
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02-27-2022, 02:49 PM
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Context is an important thing:
https://www.afpm.org/newsroom/blog/o...ssia-explained
Hey, look at that chart.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrobe...rted-gasoline/
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These are not, however, record years for gasoline imports, thanks to increased U.S. production brought on by hydraulic fracking.
Oil and gasoline are complicated markets, so it’s not as simple as flipping a switch, but it’s worth noting that the United States exported $84.94 billion of gasoline and other refined petroleum products in 2021, or about six times as much as those Russian imports.
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We exported six fucking times as much gas and other petrochemical products in 2021 as we imported from Vlad. Imagine that.
Maybe you do need to answer the rhetorical question after all about % of total used
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02-27-2022, 04:21 PM
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We exported six fucking times as much gas and other petrochemical products in 2021 as we imported from Vlad. Imagine that.
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Nice try to conflate things. My chart was discussing gasoline. Don't try to justify it by throwing in other petrochemical products and trying to make a comparison. That is like comparing Apples to Oranges
So your comparison does not hold up and even after that, that's still nearly $13 billion US dollars that went to prop up Russia. For no good reason.
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02-27-2022, 04:35 PM
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I like apples and I love oranges, but you're moving the goal posts. You start with energy production then only cite gasoline and even there don't look at domestic production vs imports, just at the percentage of Russian gasoline imports.
I get that it's hard to look at subsets of data and then compare them to the whole, but you're not even trying to do that. You just point at a % divorced of context. My context helps you understand that for a war, as you claim there is, there's not a pile of spent ammo here.
Net energy exporter vs importer actually does look at total energy petrochemicals. Energy from Russia isn't limited to gasoline.
I'm still waiting for you to pull the 3 articles and 4 stats I'm hoping to see that tell me you're on the ball.
For fucksakes, you didn't even pick up the breadcrumbs I left you in the articles I posted for you so far that support your overal argument... and mine. And that tells me you're not reading. You're reacting.
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02-27-2022, 04:38 PM
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02-27-2022, 07:02 PM
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02-27-2022, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by HDGristle
I like apples and I love oranges, but you're moving the goal posts. You start with energy production then only cite gasoline and even there don't look at domestic production vs imports, just at the percentage of Russian gasoline imports.
I get that it's hard to look at subsets of data and then compare them to the whole, but you're not even trying to do that. You just point at a % divorced of context. My context helps you understand that for a war, as you claim there is, there's not a pile of spent ammo here.
Net energy exporter vs importer actually does look at total energy petrochemicals. Energy from Russia isn't limited to gasoline.
I'm still waiting for you to pull the 3 articles and 4 stats I'm hoping to see that tell me you're on the ball.
For fucksakes, you didn't even pick up the breadcrumbs I left you in the articles I posted for you so far that support your overal argument... and mine. And that tells me you're not reading. You're reacting.
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... And YOU'RE REACHING...
You know Berry is correct - You can try to spin the
facts any way you wish.
... WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
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