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Old 11-07-2012, 09:58 PM   #31
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Since you asked I'll give it a shot but first I have to comment that most of the posters on here have not got a friggin' clue as to why Obama won and Romney lost.

The reason is all demographics. Romney captured the largest percentage of white male voters ever recorded, he lost because he ran out of them. For Hispanic voters Obama captured 75% of their votes while Romney could only muster 23%. The Republican party chose to ignore findings that a large percentage of Hispanics know or are related to someone here in the country illegally. When the Republican party started to wage war on illegal Hispanics that basically lost the election.

The Republican party catered to white males and totally ignored the fact that the US is now extremely diverse with a very large population of other cultures, religions and races. By limiting their appeal to rich, white males they sealed their fate. If you don't believe me go look it up. Google it if you like and then come back and try to dispute it.

“This is a defining moment for the Republican Party,” said GOP strategist Leslie Sanchez. “If Republicans don’t heed this warning, we are certainly in danger of becoming politically irrelevant at a national level.”

Matt Barreto of Latino Decisions, a nonpartisan polling and research firm, said that in Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico, “Latino voters by themselves provided Obama with the margin of victory.” He also said the 2012 election shows that in key states — such as Ohio and Florida — a strong showing from Latinos and African Americans “in tandem” was a difference maker.

The Republican Party, he said, “will be doomed if they lose black and Latino votes by these same margins in the future.”
That's actually fairly accurate. From where did you cut and paste it?

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Old 11-07-2012, 09:59 PM   #32
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And if the economy is still bad in 2016? The GOP probably could run a nut like Paul Ryan and WIN. That's the scary part.

At that point, relying on more Hispanics and less whites won't save you, because Latinos will abandon the Dems, too. If Bush could get 40% of them, another Republican can get even more of them if the economy sucks.

The black vote is hopeless. But no one else.
You could not be more wrong. Here are some thoughts from one observer.

"The Republican Party has to decide: Do they want to take this issue off the table? Or do they want to be a whites-only party that will make it impossible to compete?" Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice, which advocates for immigration reform, said Wednesday.

Sharry predicted that immigration reform "will quickly become the top legislative priority after fiscal and budget issues" next year.

"The election was a game-changer," he said, "and the Republicans will see coming to the table as a political imperative."

Rep. Luis Gutierrez delivered a similar message in the wake of the election. Warning that that "the road to the White House goes through Latino neighborhoods," the Illinois Democrat said Romney's shift to the right on immigration during the GOP primaries buried his chances of winning the presidency.

"Mitt Romney and the Republicans drank the anti-immigrant Kool-Aid during the primaries," he said Wednesday in a statement, "and they never recovered."

"The second thing I’m confident we’ll get done next year is immigration reform. And since this is off the record, I will just be very blunt," Obama said during an off-the-record interview that later became public. "Should I win a second term, a big reason I will win a second term is because the Republican nominee and the Republican Party have so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community. And this is a relatively new phenomenon."

The president seems to have hit the nail on the head. Exit polls indicated that Hispanic voters favored Obama this year by a whopping 40 points, 69 percent to 29 percent — an increase of 4 points over his advantage among the demographic four years ago. And while white turnout fell this year as a percentage of total voters, Hispanic turnout ticked up, from 9 to 10 percent.

The changing demographics have prompted a number of prominent conservatives — including former President George W. Bush, anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush — to warn Republicans to soften their hard line on immigration or risk a long-term backlash from Latino voters at the polls each cycle.

It's advice that Republican congressional leaders have so far ignored. Indeed, when President Bush championed comprehensive immigration reforms in 2007, it was shot down by conservative Republicans who opposed the inclusion of a pathway to legalization for those in the country illegally — a notion critics call "amnesty."

More recently, a filibuster by Senate Republicans killed the House-passed DREAM Act, which would provide legal status to high-achieving illegal immigrant students brought to the country as children.

During the GOP primary, Romney vowed to veto the DREAM Act and promoted tougher enforcement of illegal immigrants, a move designed to distinguish himself from several of his opponents — notably former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (Ga) and Texas Gov. Rick Perry — who advocated more leniency.

After the primaries, Romney adopted a more centrist immigration position, and his campaign adopted a 38 percent target for Hispanic voters. But advocates say the damage was done.

"Romney's lurch to the right really destroyed his chances," Sharry said. "He made a tactical decision that was terrible strategy. It branded him with the fastest-growing group of voters as anti-immigrant and anti-Latino.

"If he'd won 38 percent of the Latino vote," Sharry added, "he'd be president."
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:00 PM   #33
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That's actually fairly accurate. From where did you cut and paste it?


Let me ask you, if it was copied from somewhere else does it make it less true? Actually the only part copied was the quoted part.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:01 PM   #34
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It might. That's why I want to know from where it was copied. Are you embarrassed by the sites you source?
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:03 PM   #35
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It might. By not sourcing it you are pulling a WPF and trying to sound smarter than you really are by plagiarizing someone else's words. We already know you do that. I'm just calling you on it.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:10 PM   #36
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Cute Old Guy if you had bothered to read just about any new source today you would have found plenty of stories about this topic. I spent the day reading stories on CNN, Time, Huffington Post, USA Today about this topic. It is out there if you cared to read.

You should read this thread.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2085922.html
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:12 PM   #37
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I know the Latinos helped Obama win. I just think it's funny how you copy and paste, then claim that it's your own words. You're trying to make yourself look smarter than you really are. It isn't working.

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Old 11-07-2012, 10:22 PM   #38
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Why don't you show one line in any thread where I make claim that it is my own words.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:29 PM   #39
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You could not be more wrong. Here are some thoughts from one observer.
Like you said that's ONE observer.

But you also made some assumptions. I never said the GOP shouldn't change it immigration stance and could rely jsut on a bad economy. Although frankly, that MIGHT be enough.

I'm not in favor of throwing illegal immigrants who have been here for years out of the country. And especially not their children.

I AM in favor of combatting future illegal immigration. I do not care to see the US have 400 million people in it. Do you? We already have enough pollution and crowded big cities. we also have a large American underclass that cannot find jobs. Flooding the labor market with cheap illegals does nothing to help them.

We need better border security for starters. But beyond that, we can greatly reduce the influx of illegal immigrants by penalizing companies that hire them. We don't have to deport anyone if they don't come here to begin with because they cannot get work. This includes fining small businesses that employ illegals to house clean or cut the grass. Grant amnesty to anyone here more than, say, 4 or 5 years and allow businesses to hire them. But the rest get cut off.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:29 PM   #40
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Since you asked I'll give it a shot but first I have to comment that most of the posters on here have not got a friggin' clue as to why Obama won and Romney lost.

The reason is all demographics. Romney captured the largest percentage of white male voters ever recorded, he lost because he ran out of them. For Hispanic voters Obama captured 75% of their votes while Romney could only muster 23%. The Republican party chose to ignore findings that a large percentage of Hispanics know or are related to someone here in the country illegally. When the Republican party started to wage war on illegal Hispanics that basically lost the election.

The Republican party catered to white males and totally ignored the fact that the US is now extremely diverse with a very large population of other cultures, religions and races. By limiting their appeal to rich, white males they sealed their fate. If you don't believe me go look it up. Google it if you like and then come back and try to dispute it.

“This is a defining moment for the Republican Party,” said GOP strategist Leslie Sanchez. “If Republicans don’t heed this warning, we are certainly in danger of becoming politically irrelevant at a national level.”

Matt Barreto of Latino Decisions, a nonpartisan polling and research firm, said that in Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico, “Latino voters by themselves provided Obama with the margin of victory.” He also said the 2012 election shows that in key states — such as Ohio and Florida — a strong showing from Latinos and African Americans “in tandem” was a difference maker.

The Republican Party, he said, “will be doomed if they lose black and Latino votes by these same margins in the future.”
I agree that losing the Latino vote was devastating. Romney and the Republicans should have touted a pathway to citizenship. And had Rubio as VP.

Choomczar is also correct in the the Democratic media was able to drive the "War on Women" narrative. Romney is for abortion in the case of rape and incest.

Of course I wrote this on Aug 18th:
http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...5&postcount=17
The Romney election team need to be overhauled immediately.

1. Get John Sununu of my TV screen immediately. Yeah, the guy is uber intelligent but he come across as bloated and mean. He alienates people.
2. The election is about switching minds and delivering people to the polls to vote for your candidate. The people who were going to vote antiObama didn't need a Ryan as a VP. The people who may vote for Romney might have done it with Rubio. Huge Missed Opportunity.
3. Stop letting the Democrats drive the Republican narrative. Turn on the MSM except Fox and they have Democratic Strategists saying what the Republicans and Romney are going to do unchallenged. Its ridiculous.
4. Start hanging Obama with his own words and broken promises He's made some very public blunders on video. Time to exploit them.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:30 PM   #41
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I know the Latinos helped Obama win. I just think it's funny how you copy and paste, then claim that it's your own words. You're trying to make yourself look smarter than you really are. It isn't working.


why dont you just pretend it came from beerfart and its the holy grail
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He was suppose to.
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Why don't you show one line in any thread where I make claim that it is my own words.
When you don't post your source, you are tacitly claiming the words as your own. Idiot.
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I know the Latinos helped Obama win.
Here is one of my favorite Latina's

http://www.cumintj.com/index.php/my-jullette.html
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Almost no one but Obama realized how Bush was close to destroy the USA.
And that idiot is still alive today.
So is Obama and he occupies the Oval office. Quit worrying about Bush he's long gone. Concentrate on whats going on now.
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