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[chizzy]

Originally Posted by NeilArmstrong839125

Context and nuance are important there Chizzy. You replied to my comment about the right not being able to accept the election results with comments made by Clinton and Biden made years later in a different context. You know you are being disingenuous in your argument. The bottom line is that the cult is having a tough time accepting reality. Many Republicans are tired of it too. It's just time for reality to win and the baseless conspiracy theories to go away.

Not being disingenuous at all. I stated exactly what both hillary and biden and Carter and many other Democrats have said. The fact they were still saying it years after the election only solidifies my point they never accepted that hillary blew it and lost.

And I also didnt disagree with you that some republicans will not accept the loss, i only showed the democrats had their side doing it also.

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[IMGTH58]

Originally Posted by chizzy

Not being disingenuous at all. I stated exactly what both hillary and biden and Carter and many other Democrats have said. The fact they were still saying it years after the election only solidifies my point they never accepted that hillary blew it and lost.

And I also didnt disagree with you that some republicans will not accept the loss, i only showed the democrats had their side doing it also.

No one has ever taken it to the level Trump has and it is appalling. Even Gore, who had much to grieve about in 2000, graciously conceded after the Supreme Court ended his appeals in 2000. Nothing of the sort has happened or will happen here, causing irreparable harm to this country for decades to come. But Trump is such a narcissist, that does nothing but embolden him.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by NeilArmstrong839125

Context and nuance are important there Chizzy. You replied to my comment about the right not being able to accept the election results with comments made by Clinton and Biden made years later in a different context. You know you are being disingenuous in your argument. The bottom line is that the cult is having a tough time accepting reality. Many Republicans are tired of it too. It's just time for reality to win and the baseless conspiracy theories to go away.

You mean Biden saying my son has been looked into by 57 entities and no evidence. Are you talking about that “baseless” claim? It’s over on 1/6/2021. Until then, it’s not official. That’s a fact.

[chizzy]

Originally Posted by IMGTH58

No one has ever taken it to the level Trump has and it is appalling. Even Gore, who had much to grieve about in 2000, graciously conceded after the Supreme Court ended his appeals in 2000. Nothing of the sort has happened or will happen here, causing irreparable harm to this country for decades to come. But Trump is such a narcissist, that does nothing but embolden him.

37 days for gore to concede...... democrats were screaming 48 hours after the election for trump to concede.....

[bambino]

Originally Posted by chizzy

37 days for gore to concede...... democrats were screaming 48 hours after the election for trump to concede.....

I think there will be big revelations on Friday. You heard it first here.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by anmar85

You know I was trying so hard to stay out of politics on a hobby board of all places, but I'm genuinely curious to know, what part in the development of the vaccines did the Trump admin play exactly? Like what part of the process were they involved in? Did they bankroll the development? Hire the scientists? Test the vaccines? If Operation Warp Speed is to thank, what did it do exactly?

Nearly all of the above. The Trump admin played a substantial part in the entire process. The list is too great to fully list here but it includes:

Development:

OWS selected the most promising countermeasure candidates and providing coordinated government support including funding.

Protocols for the demonstration of safety and efficacy were aligned which allowed the trials to proceed more quickly.

The protocols for the trials were overseen by the federal government, as opposed to the traditional model where pharmaceutical companies decide on their own protocols.

Steps proceeded simultaneously, including starting manufacturing of the vaccine at industrial scale well before the demonstration of vaccine efficacy and safety as happens normally. This was only possible by the Trump admin assuming the financial risk.

Manufacturing:

The federal government made investments in the necessary manufacturing capacity at its own risk, giving firms confidence that they can invest aggressively in development and allowing faster distribution of the vaccine.

Manufacturing capacity was advanced while they are still in development, rather than scaled up after approval or authorization.

Manufacturing capacity developed was used for whatever vaccine was eventually successful regardless of which firms have developed the capacity.

Distribution:

OWS and our private partners developed a plan for delivering the vaccine as quickly and reliably as possible.

Experts from HHS led vaccine development, while experts from DoD partnered with the CDC and other parts of HHS to coordinate supply, production, and distribution of vaccines.

Here is a much more detailed listing of all the steps. It is impressive, no matter what your politics are and yes, the Trump admin deserves credit. No reasonable / intelligent person would think otherwise

https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/expl...eed/index.html

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by NeilArmstrong839125

Except this never happened. Nobody ever said that the 2016 election was fraudulent or rigged. Not sure why you believe this but, it simply is not true.

Really dude? Did you miss the 3 years of phony Russian Conspiracy bullshit about the 2016 election put forth by Hillary and every Democrat around, the fake news media, and a host of others?

[NeilArmstrong839125]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Really dude? Did you miss the 3 years of phony Russian Conspiracy bullshit about the 2016 election put forth by Hillary and every Democrat around, the fake news media, and a host of others?

Did you miss the part where every U.S. intelligence agency confirmed that Russia interfered with the 2016 election? There was no "conspiracy bullshit" as you put it. It was not fake. It was real. And that is what Trump and the right wing propaganda mechanisms have done to you and many others. Made you believe in things that aren't real. Too many of you have shifted your allegiance to this one man. It's disturbing the level of mental gymnastics you all go through to defend the indefensible. Hold you leaders accountable.

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by NeilArmstrong839125

Did you miss the part where every U.S. intelligence agency confirmed that Russia interfered with the 2016 election? There was no "conspiracy bullshit" as you put it. It was not fake. It was real. And that is what Trump and the right wing propaganda mechanisms have done to you and many others. Made you believe in things that aren't real. Too many of you have shifted your allegiance to this one man. It's disturbing the level of mental gymnastics you all go through to defend the indefensible. Hold you leaders accountable.

russia russia russia--No collusion found! bahahahhahahahhahahahhaha

[bambino]

Originally Posted by NeilArmstrong839125

Did you miss the part where every U.S. intelligence agency confirmed that Russia interfered with the 2016 election? There was no "conspiracy bullshit" as you put it. It was not fake. It was real. And that is what Trump and the right wing propaganda mechanisms have done to you and many others. Made you believe in things that aren't real. Too many of you have shifted your allegiance to this one man. It's disturbing the level of mental gymnastics you all go through to defend the indefensible. Hold you leaders accountable.

I guess you missed the Mueller report. No collusion with Russia by any US citizen. But they’re wrong. It was Hillary that colluded with the Russians. Those are facts.

[anmar85]

Originally Posted by berryberry

Nearly all of the above. The Trump admin played a substantial part in the entire process. The list is too great to fully list here but it includes:

Development:

OWS selected the most promising countermeasure candidates and providing coordinated government support including funding.

Protocols for the demonstration of safety and efficacy were aligned which allowed the trials to proceed more quickly.

The protocols for the trials were overseen by the federal government, as opposed to the traditional model where pharmaceutical companies decide on their own protocols.

Steps proceeded simultaneously, including starting manufacturing of the vaccine at industrial scale well before the demonstration of vaccine efficacy and safety as happens normally. This was only possible by the Trump admin assuming the financial risk.

Manufacturing:

The federal government made investments in the necessary manufacturing capacity at its own risk, giving firms confidence that they can invest aggressively in development and allowing faster distribution of the vaccine.

Manufacturing capacity was advanced while they are still in development, rather than scaled up after approval or authorization.

Manufacturing capacity developed was used for whatever vaccine was eventually successful regardless of which firms have developed the capacity.

Distribution:

OWS and our private partners developed a plan for delivering the vaccine as quickly and reliably as possible.

Experts from HHS led vaccine development, while experts from DoD partnered with the CDC and other parts of HHS to coordinate supply, production, and distribution of vaccines.

Here is a much more detailed listing of all the steps. It is impressive, no matter what your politics are and yes, the Trump admin deserves credit. No reasonable / intelligent person would think otherwise

https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/expl...eed/index.html

I looked into it a little more myself, and credit where credit is due, OWS did deliver some objectively good things. I think it's a little disingenuous for the government to claim it had anything to do with the development of the Pfizer-BioNTech flavor, but they did secure an American market for them which is definitely more than nothing. They also did some of the funding on work and distribution for other vaccines. So that's all good stuff there.

Originally Posted by NeilArmstrong839125

Did you miss the part where every U.S. intelligence agency confirmed that Russia interfered with the 2016 election? There was no "conspiracy bullshit" as you put it. It was not fake. It was real. And that is what Trump and the right wing propaganda mechanisms have done to you and many others. Made you believe in things that aren't real. Too many of you have shifted your allegiance to this one man. It's disturbing the level of mental gymnastics you all go through to defend the indefensible. Hold you leaders accountable.

On the other side of this whole... uh... discussion. My man right here is objectively correct. Whether you believe there was collusion with US citizens or not, there was foreign interference with our election in 2016 (As well as this past election if we're being totally honest), this has been proven time and time again. That happened, and just because it was to the benefit of someone that some of you potentially liked doesn't mean it shouldn't be an absolute outrage.


Aside from all of that, another thing I will definitely give the Trump admin credit for is giving us all a super big refresher on our Civics. If it wasn't for them failing to contest an election every step of the way, we probably wouldn't remember how that whole process works as well as we do now. Due to their, well, less than conventional way of doing things, we all got to learn a lot about how the gears of the executive branch turn. Seriously, when was the last time any of us ever even thought about the existence of the GSA?

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by NeilArmstrong839125

Did you miss the part where every U.S. intelligence agency confirmed that Russia interfered with the 2016 election? There was no "conspiracy bullshit" as you put it. It was not fake. It was real.

It was all bullshit. A very small number of online ads run by Russia that changed no one's votes. That's it. No Conspiracy, no collusion.

And you were the one who said "Nobody ever said that the 2016 election was fraudulent or rigged" yet now you contradict yourself - LOL. Get your story straight, better go check your DNC talking points

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by anmar85

I looked into it a little more myself, and credit where credit is due, OWS did deliver some objectively good things. I think it's a little disingenuous for the government to claim it had anything to do with the development of the Pfizer-BioNTech flavor, but they did secure an American market for them which is definitely more than nothing. They also did some of the funding on work and distribution for other vaccines. So that's all good stuff there.

Thanks - glad to see you are honest and can give credit where credit is due. And just to expand a little further, while the government did not directly fund the development of the Pfizer vaccine like they did with Moderna and some others, do not underestimate the $1.95 billon advance purchase commitment the government made to Pfizer. That is huge vaccines are not typically big money makers for big Pharma, it allowed them (and all the others who received similar commitments)to devote the necessary resources to developing the vaccine knowing that it had a contract in place that would allow them to recoup costs and make a profit. In addition, the other components of OWS such as the government overseeing the protocols of the trials, thereby greatly reducing the time to market also benefited Pfizer

Originally Posted by anmar85

On the other side of this whole... uh... discussion. My man right here is objectively correct. Whether you believe there was collusion with US citizens or not, there was foreign interference with our election in 2016 (As well as this past election if we're being totally honest), this has been proven time and time again. That happened, and just because it was to the benefit of someone that some of you potentially liked doesn't mean it shouldn't be an absolute outrage.

He falsely claimed that "Nobody ever said that the 2016 election was fraudulent or rigged". My response proved him wrong as we had 3+ years of Democrats claiming the election was fraudulent and Trump only won because of a conspiracy of him working with Russia. I referred to this 3 years of phony Russian Conspiracy bullshit which was disproven by the Mueller report. That is accurate.

Yes, there was a very small amount of ads on Facebook paid for by Russia in 2016. The amount was so small, they had no impact. But yes, even though the amount was minimal they were there so you are technically correct in saying there was some "interference". Just as I am sure there was interference this year by China on behalf of Biden. But neither had any impact.

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