The Local Hobby Scene - perpetual thread

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by Charley3

In today’s hobby world...... Post Fosta and SA and Covid, the ONLY option for the kind of girl you want (other then sa) is the large agencies, and that will be 400 a meet with heavy screening.
You gotta pick your poison Berry. It ain’t 2010.

Which is partly why nearly every guy here says the local hobby scene is quite poor

[zip2121]

as I said in another thread, and its been on my mind reading these threads, and even when just being out driving looking to see if there is a nice SW lurking (FYI, there have not been any, anywhere right now)

I cant speak for others, but sometimes you need human contact. Even if these girls are far past dehumanizing themselves. Sometimes, you need more than porn on a screen.

I know its pretty depressing when you cant get a reply from ladies who are decent looking, cant afford the knockouts, but one of these girls gets back to you. You can grasp at any attention. Especially post-covid. That does shit to your mind when you cant even get pittsburgh 5 to sleep with you for money. Ive been there a couple times. Luckily, I have had a few girlfriends on the side that are usually available. But for some men? Thats got to be mentally crushing.

I think it makes some look at the scene worse and worse as time goes by. Its going to tint whatever glasses you are looking at the hobby with. And probably not in a good way.

Similar to how some guys felt over on indys. If you were not in the right clubs, you got ignored. Tried hitting up girls many times on there, for advertised rates, following their rules, but got shut down because I was not the right square.

I know, boo hoo. None of us are robots, and that has to be considered. Along with people are feeling extra ignored these days in general.

[AmishGangster]

Originally Posted by Doctor Frankenstien

MLG not MG, but close enough. I met Zandra once, one of the worst mistakes I ever made. Funny story about Athena. As I remember it told to me by a guy who saw her. If he is on here, please correct my memory if I am wrong. He scheduled a session BDSM, he is in her basement dudgeon, tied up and she wont do anything. So he starts calling her names, nothing works. Then he calls her a trailer trash whore, and she goes nuts, beats the shit out of him and then leaves. Doesnt come back for like eight hours. He thought he was going to die. I guess he found the magic phrase. BTW Bam banned, dang, when did this happen?

Ah yes MLG and the regulation sized football
Good to see you poke your head out sir

[tolstoy]

Originally Posted by Tuckahoe1

The 20-30 year old providers in Pittsburgh have always been there. Always will be there but they don't advertise. You have to be in the inner circle. The elite providers have outdated the internet boards the twitters and social media movements and they will outlast them all because they are paid well enough to not be hunting appointments.

There are a handful of guys that know what I'm talking about and a hundred that wish they did. You get what you pay for gentlemen.

I hobbied in PGH with ASPD and then Indys providers from 2004 through 2010. All that time there was an "established" online scene of PGH providers who 1.) Publicly Advertised on one or both sites and 2.) were Publicly Reviewed on one or both boards....

For the years of ASPD and Indys there was also a very "established" scene of UTR providers who did 1.) Not Advertise Publicly and were 2.) Not Reviewed in the public review sections of these sites. They had "press" though, often in the Guys Rooms and/or from hobbyist to hobbyist, and usually positive press too....

Damn right- these were the providers who were Hot....Enough to NOT have to deal with anything to do with the boards. Regular Clients. Lines of guys waiting to "get in" with them. Girls who could essentially "pick and choose" their OWN clients, not the other way around. For years, all during the ASPD and Indys scenes, there were UTR providers who basically never had anything to do with the boards. They sure had "regular clients" though...

Now many HOT, regular-clients-only/no public-ads girls are on SA. There are ex-ASPD and ex-Indys and ex-Tryst providers who are Literally on SA now and scores of their UTR-type of girls on SA. Some SA girls really do want "just one client", and why not if the guy pays all her bills? There are a lot of ASPD and Indys-type UTR girls on SA who have Exactly the number of clients they want. It could be one client, two or three clients, or a collection of clients. All the same "UTR" providers scene which existed all during the ASPD and Indys years exists on SA now....

I'm happy with the "choice" which is available on SA but I don't like some of the "back and forth" with particularly "newbie" girls on SA. No, I won't forward my Face pic to them. No, I won't wire a "gift" to them "to prove" I'm legit. There are Scammers on SA, and a hell of a lot of girls who want to make money QUICK. I have had more short notice/"same day" success on SA than I ever had on ASPD and Indys...

The Age 20-30 girls on SA "run the gamut" from actual local college girls to run-of-the-mill urban "street" girls who have always been a part of the scene. A lot of the same Listcrawler girls are on SA too. There is "variability" of Quality and Bullshit Factors with the broad-range of SA girls. I have done business with young SA girls who Look and Perform like porn stars and I have also experienced a few menacing "street" scenario's that I never experienced with all the "reviewed" girls of ASPD and Indys...

There are Model-Level HOT girls on SA who charge Less than historic "market rates" of ASPD and Indys and Eccie and there are Criminal....Elements on SA who you want to avoid. No Public Reviews, No Guys Room, No Intel Exchange. That means it's The Wild West of new online "dating" and hooker scenes...


All the UPitt and CMU and CCAC hotties on SA nowadays did not exist in large numbers all during the ASPD and Indys and current Eccie years. They are "variable" as far as "hoops to jump through" and Bullshit Factor but many of them are like diamonds in the rough......

[El-mo]

Originally Posted by tolstoy

I hobbied in PGH with ASPD and then Indys providers from 2004 through 2010. All that time there was an "established" online scene of PGH providers who 1.) Publicly Advertised on one or both sites and 2.) were Publicly Reviewed on one or both boards....

For the years of ASPD and Indys there was also a very "established" scene of UTR providers who did 1.) Not Advertise Publicly and were 2.) Not Reviewed in the public review sections of these sites. They had "press" though, often in the Guys Rooms and/or from hobbyist to hobbyist, and usually positive press too....

Damn right- these were the providers who were Hot....Enough to NOT have to deal with anything to do with the boards. Regular Clients. Lines of guys waiting to "get in" with them. Girls who could essentially "pick and choose" their OWN clients, not the other way around. For years, all during the ASPD and Indys scenes, there were UTR providers who basically never had anything to do with the boards. They sure had "regular clients" though...

Now many HOT, regular-clients-only/no public-ads girls are on SA. There are ex-ASPD and ex-Indys and ex-Tryst providers who are Literally on SA now and scores of their UTR-type of girls on SA. Some SA girls really do want "just one client", and why not if the guy pays all her bills? There are a lot of ASPD and Indys-type UTR girls on SA who have Exactly the number of clients they want. It could be one client, two or three clients, or a collection of clients. All the same "UTR" providers scene which existed all during the ASPD and Indys years exists on SA now....

I'm happy with the "choice" which is available on SA but I don't like some of the "back and forth" with particularly "newbie" girls on SA. No, I won't forward my Face pic to them. No, I won't wire a "gift" to them "to prove" I'm legit. There are Scammers on SA, and a hell of a lot of girls who want to make money QUICK. I have had more short notice/"same day" success on SA than I ever had on ASPD and Indys...

The Age 20-30 girls on SA "run the gamut" from actual local college girls to run-of-the-mill urban "street" girls who have always been a part of the scene. A lot of the same Listcrawler girls are on SA too. There is "variability" of Quality and Bullshit Factors with the broad-range of SA girls. I have done business with young SA girls who Look and Perform like porn stars and I have also experienced a few menacing "street" scenario's that I never experienced with all the "reviewed" girls of ASPD and Indys...

There are Model-Level HOT girls on SA who charge Less than historic "market rates" of ASPD and Indys and Eccie and there are Criminal....Elements on SA who you want to avoid. No Public Reviews, No Guys Room, No Intel Exchange. That means it's The Wild West of new online "dating" and hooker scenes...


All the UPitt and CMU and CCAC hotties on SA nowadays did not exist in large numbers all during the ASPD and Indys and current Eccie years. They are "variable" as far as "hoops to jump through" and Bullshit Factor but many of them are like diamonds in the rough......

I understand this, but it’s fundamentally different in its lack of discretion. Some of us can not do the kind of public initial meeting that the girls on the sugar sites require. There’s an element of dating at the beginning of an arrangement that just doesn’t work for the attached and cautious amongs us.

[tolstoy]

Originally Posted by El-mo

I understand this, but it’s fundamentally different in its lack of discretion. Some of us can not do the kind of public initial meeting that the girls on the sugar sites require. There’s an element of dating at the beginning of an arrangement that just doesn’t work for the attached and cautious amongs us.

Not all SA girls request/require the initial "meet and greet" before sessions. In fact that was more common when SA was first starting-out years back and now too many SA girls request Face Pics of guys to determine if they will bang those guys for money...

And you can Refuse to send those two. And Still Get....Laid regularly. There are plenty of SA girls who will bang guys for money "sight unseen". There are SA girls who spend a lot of time on SA and then ask by PM "Can you see me today". It takes all kinds on SA....

There is a "variability" and varied Bullshit Factor with the broad-range of girls on SA. Total Newbies who literally don't know the terms "hobby" and "session" and "rate". Established Providers who have been around for years. "Online only" Scammers. Girls who Look and Perform like porn-stars. All the same cast of characters who post ads on all the "street" sites....

SA is not an "organized" market like the old ASPD and Indys so it's the Wild....West of new "dating" and online hooker scenes. No Rules, No Customs, No More's which everyone abides by. I'm happy with the "choice" of girls on SA but it's not always a straight 2-PM deal to set up a session. And often it is that simple....

[Spazzer37golf]

When you truly learn how to navigate and use SA,a whole new world you never knew existed opens up and the options are almost endless.

[Looker151]

Meet & greet is not so bad. I met TL over a cup of coffee, which turned into brunch, which turned into many great meets. Too bad that she abruptly retired.

[blkstocking]

Married, kids, demanding job = who wants to waste time playing with self centered gps girls with daddy issues. I miss the professionals. I used match to great success back in the day. SA does have real girls many of which are hot enough and willing. But the drama and issues and unfortunately the habits are there too.

[berryberry]

Originally Posted by blkstocking

Married, kids, demanding job = who wants to waste time playing with self centered gps girls with daddy issues. I miss the professionals. I used match to great success back in the day. SA does have real girls many of which are hot enough and willing. But the drama and issues and unfortunately the habits are there too.

Exactly, SA is not the hobby as people talk about it. Now SA does provide an alternate market for those who want to jump through the hoops - but the women there are not easily and readily available to most hobbyists like most providers in the hobby are. I mean I have had my share of ongoing type sugar babies over the years, that I mainly found outside of SA (although I did find a couple from SA ) but they are not what most people would consider when describing the hobby per se

[Depurefymii]

Tuckahoe1, I am waiting for an answer from you. How do you, Tuckahoe1, find providers that have no listings? Are they all imaginary? That would explain your lack of reviews, wouldn't it.

[blkstocking]

I imagine all my encounters...and while I used to write about them, it was really more to practice my new career as a writer of erotic fiction...lol. Wasn't that a disclaimer we used back in the day? I'm still doing research for that career, by the way.

[Whatwhathuh]

Thankfully with COVID, tinder has been picking up for me, but nothing pisses me off more than having trouble getting in touch with someone less attractive than I would bang for free. I miss Thailand.

[blkstocking]

Originally Posted by Whatwhathuh

Thankfully with COVID, tinder has been picking up for me, but nothing pisses me off more than having trouble getting in touch with someone less attractive than I would bang for free. I miss Thailand.

Absolutely beautiful thought! That's been pissing me off for awhile in this town and why I don't care much for the "action" available. There is a certain level at which I will not pay to bang and you just hit right on it.

[Whatwhathuh]

You're right...sometimes my little head does too much of the thinking but sometimes I ask myself why I'm trying to see girls I would probably left swipe on dating apps.