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Old 06-26-2017, 02:38 AM   #421
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Umm... so who fact-checks the fact checkers?


THE FACTLESS FACT-CHECKERS

How do you fact check when you don’t know what a fact is?


November 3, 2016

Daniel Greenfield

Once upon a time, fact-checking meant that newspapers, radio stations and television news broadcasts were obligated to check their facts before broadcasting or publishing them. Some newspapers and magazines boasted renowned departments filled with intellectuals whose restless minds roved over each line to ensure that the fewest possible errors would appear under that publication’s masthead.

But fact-checking of the media by itself has declined almost as badly as the Roman Empire. Errors routinely appear under storied mastheads followed by corrections that are published as a janitorial duty. There is very little concern for the facts even among the great names of publishing and broadcasting.

The media has stopped fact-checking itself and it now uses fact-checking largely to refer to a type of opinion journalism in which it “checks the facts” of public figures. The fall of fact-checking within the media has paralleled the rise of fact checking by the media of its political opponents. The media has become factless even as it deploys a term that once meant self-correction to instead correct others.

Fact checks once meant that reporters were expected to be accurate. These days they’re only expected to be politically correct. The media deploys fact checks to check political correctness, not facts. Its fact checks routinely venture into areas that are not only partisan, but subjective matters of opinion.

Consider Politico’s often mocked “fact check” of Donald Trump as to whether ISIS was indeed unbelievably evil. Under a banner headline, “Donald Trump’s Week of Misrepresentations, Exaggerations and Half-Truths”, it zoomed in on a quote from his Florida rally.

“We’re presiding over something that the world has not seen. The level of evil is unbelievable," Trump had said.

Politico swooped in to correct the candidate with its fact check. “Judging one ‘level of evil’ against another is subjective, but other groups in recent history have without any question engaged in as widespread killing of civilians as ISIS.”

There were no facts being checked here because Politico doesn’t seem to know what a fact even is.

The only information conveyed by this “fact check” is that Politico, like the rest of the media, does not like Donald Trump and would find a way to argue with him if he said that the sky was blue.

In the Daily Show media culture where overt bias and trolling are virtues, fact-checking is just another snotty variety of editorializing that attempts to compensate for perceptions of bias not with higher ethical and factual standards, but by rebranding its editorials as fact checks to gain credibility.

The ISIS evil “fact check” of Trump came from the same media outlet whose White House reporter decided that the Wisconsin flag, which carries the date 1848 to mark the state’s admission to the Union, was “a flag for the local union, Wisconsin 1848”. Politico ran an entire story asserting that Obama was flying a labor flag to oppose Governor Walker because its reporter couldn’t process basic history.

This is what happens when media outlets think that fact-checking is something that they do to Republicans rather than to themselves.

Fact-checking was one of those dinosaurs of journalism, like objectivity, which is viewed as largely irrelevant in a media culture whose Edward R. Murrow is Jon Stewart. Today’s millennial journalists spend most of their time exchanging sarcastic quips with their peers on Twitter, aspire to found their own Vox sites and write viral blog posts that seek a new angle on a trending left-wing narrative.

Fact checks often function as narrative defenses and meme attacks. That’s why the Washington Post decided to “fact check” a Saturday Night Live gag about Obama’s illegal alien amnesty. It’s not that anyone imagines that Saturday Night Live is in the business of producing facts that need checking. The Post was just worried that one of its jokes would go viral and hurt Obama and his agenda.

It’s the same reason that the paper “fact checked” a 13-year-old boy who claimed he was blocked by Obama on Twitter. This isn’t about the facts. It’s paranoia about social media narratives going viral.

This is more understandable if you stop thinking of the media in the old-fashioned sense as a series of papers, radio and television stations and start thinking of it as a massive machine that advocates for left-wing policies using its massive infrastructure and wealth to monopolize internet narratives.

Media outlets trade on their history, but they don’t resemble their past selves in any meaningful way.

The New Yorker once boasted a fact-checking department that was famous for its range, its depth and its resourcefulness in running down even the most obscure facts. But what use is such a thing at David Remnick’s New Yorker whose big draw comes from Andy Borowitz’s insipid near parodies? The New Republic went from respected liberal publication to another snarky and shrill social justice blog. CBS News cited a psychic site to explain that a fly landed on Hillary’s face to help her cope with stress.

This isn’t material that exists in the same realm as facts. It’s snarky contempt alternating with lowest common denominator propaganda. Left-wing journalism, like most left-wing culture, is totalitarian anti-intellectualism masquerading as enlightened intellectualism. The Soviet Union was quite fond of culture. It just hated the creative process that produced it because it was independent of Communist ideology. The left loves journalism; it just hates the objectivity that validates journalism as more than propaganda.

It’s this perverse anti-intellectualism that turned fact-checking from self-discipline to attack ad. Once journalism became pure left-wing advocacy, it also became inherently correct by virtue of being left-wing and was not in need of having its facts checked. When fact checks stopped being something that journalists did to themselves, first facts and then fact checks became meaningless. Unable to even recognize a fact, media fact checkers just wrote editorials which spiced their left-wing attacks on Republicans liberally with cargo cult invocations to “fact” as if it were some deity.

The average media fact check is a masterpiece of unintentional comedy for thinking adults.

At the Washington Post, Michelle Yee “fact checks” Donald Trump’s comment that Hillary’s email scandal is bigger than Watergate and concludes that since Watergate led to Nixon’s resignation and Hillary’s email scandal has yet to lead to any convictions, it can’t be bigger than Watergate. Since the scandal has yet to be resolved, a fact check of it could only take place in the future.

CNN featured Toronto Star “fact checker” Daniel Dale who claimed that Trump said 35 lies in one day.

The list of “lies” included deeming Trump’s statement that Hillary would raise taxes false because her plan only taxes the rich, asserting that there is no such thing as a “phony poll” and denying that Hillary Clinton had received debate questions. Some of these “lies” are themselves lies. Others, like Yee, show an inability to even understand what a fact is and what can and can’t be deemed false.

Just how degraded fact checking had become was made manifest when Hillary Clinton pleaded at the debate, “Please, fact checkers, get to work.” Her campaign site touted its own “fact checking” which was mostly indistinguishable from the media’s fact checking. That was a commentary on the transformation of the media into a left-wing politician’s spin center.

Nearly every media outlet now boasts a fact check blog or headlines touting fact checks. But the biggest fact checking department of the media, rather than by the media, isn’t in the United States, but in Germany. In America, fact checking has become a type of partisan attack launched by media outlets at their political opponents. It’s bigger than ever and also more worthless than ever because it is factless.

And those who do it often not only don’t know the facts, but don’t even know what a fact is.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2646...iel-greenfield

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Old 06-26-2017, 06:11 AM   #422
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CNN is trying to save what's left of their reputation. Which ain't much...

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/25/re...botched-story/

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/33...russia-stories

They'll always be FAKE NEWS!
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:42 AM   #423
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...umps-lies.html


Multi-tasking by showing us the size of his dick AND how much he tells the truth!
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Old 06-26-2017, 08:04 AM   #424
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Where is the outrage???

I guess it's not really that unusual to "lawyer up"...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...college-215297

Investigations are like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.
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Old 06-26-2017, 08:15 AM   #425
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You mean the "FAILING FAKE NEWS New York Times"?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ing-reporters/

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Old 06-26-2017, 09:05 AM   #426
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You mean the "FAILING FAKE NEWS New York Times"?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ing-reporters/

News outlets, like most human-based endeavors, make mistakes. The credible ones print retractions. It is interesting that many (seems to be mainly those on the right) want to completely discredit mainstream media (MSM). Do you think anything written in the MSM is invalid? They NY Times has great articles on sports, travel, science/technology, in depth on foreign affairs, etc. Are those all bogus? When a hurricane hits or pirates attack a ship off the Somalia coast, are the stories written about those events bogus? Or is it only when the stories are about politics? Or is it only stories that do not align with your world view?
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Just when they lie.

And, they've been doing it a lot since Hillarious lost. Hopefully CNN has learned it's lesson, but I doubt it. Their credibility is shot all to hell anyway. Same for the failing New York Times. They let their bias get away with them. Now they're both just a laughing stock.

MSNBC has such a small market share they don't even matter anymore. Interchangeable with the Comedy Channel if you're in need of a laugh.
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Just when they lie.
One could say the same about the President. All politicians engage in rhetoric (just as the media do with their respective slant), but our current President has lost credibility with me due to his running fast and loose with factual matter. When he does have a good factual point to make, it is getting lost in all the other BS.

My $0.02.
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Old 06-26-2017, 10:43 AM   #429
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our current President has lost credibility with me due to his running fast and loose with factual matter.
As reported by the lying media that plays fast and loose with factual matter. Check.

They've got you so confused you don't even know what the truth is.
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As reported by the lying media that plays fast and loose with factual matter. Check.

They've got you so confused you don't even know what the truth is.
No, I am not confused at all. I don't rely on the media to confirm his statements, so you are making assertions (as you are wont to do) that are not true.

As with hobbying, research research research. That doesn't mean I don't make mistakes, or take something as truth that later turns out to be not true (just like with some hobbying reviews ). And not always because the source(s) are duplicitous... I am not a tinfoil hat wearer.
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Oh my! Your articulateness is overwhelming! You reduced Dan Greenfield's devastating essay against those so-called MSM "fact-checkers" to a one-word rebuke. Bloody brilliant. Btw when I lived in England "fag" meant cigarette - how is that on topic? Your Oxbridge pedigree shines every time you comment. Why does such a refined intellectual scholar need to work two full-time jobs?
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You mean the "FAILING FAKE NEWS New York Times"?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ing-reporters/



"This again suggests that the Times’ reporting is actually broadly correct, as we’ve noted in the past. Trump and his team want to imply broad inaccuracy but have been unable to demonstrate it. The goal, of course, isn’t really to call out incorrect reporting as much as it is to get supporters to assume that the Times is incorrect in what it writes. Spicer’s complaint about the Times getting his birthplace wrong is implied to be the icing on the cake of the Times’ errors. In actuality, it’s a sprinkle - and there’s no demonstrable cake.
There is one inaccuracy that has gone uncorrected, and which we should note. The Times is not, as Trump claims, failing."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7602976.html

Are you stating the list of Trump's lies that the NYT printed in yesterday's paper is a lie?
Yes or no?
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I'm stating I don't believe a damned thing the New York Times has to say. My legions are growing. If massive layoffs doesn't mean "failing" I don't know what does.

They're failing.
They're fake news. Just like CNN.
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News outlets, like most human-based endeavors, make mistakes. The credible ones print retractions. It is interesting that many (seems to be mainly those on the right) want to completely discredit mainstream media (MSM). Do you think anything written in the MSM is invalid? They NY Times has great articles on sports, travel, science/technology, in depth on foreign affairs, etc. Are those all bogus? When a hurricane hits or pirates attack a ship off the Somalia coast, are the stories written about those events bogus? Or is it only when the stories are about politics? Or is it only stories that do not align with your world view?
You're plain wrong. It's active bias and not "mistakes." IMHO the bias lies in ginning up drama because that's what increases circulation and ratings. I'm not one of these people who thinks the political opinions of the journalists is what drives the bias. I know the news business pretty well. My family used to own radio stations and had one large newspaper before we sold them. The journalists do what their bosses tell them. If they appear to have a liberal or conservative bias it's because the managers put them on for that reason to increase sales.

In the case of CNN, they ginned up phony intl about the WMD programs in Iraq because that's what sells. The same for the New York Times. Their audiences loved reading those lies. Today it's the same about the phony Russian dossier on Trump and all the other fake lies implying that there's something wrong with talking to people from Russia or anywhere else. That's normal. CNN and the New York Times knowlingly used suspect anonymous sources which now have been refuted just like the WMD's were refuted. There will be no retractions. They went with lies knowing there was no evidence but they did so for the money.

It's all about the money.

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The New York Times: "Retractions? We don't need no stinking retractions."

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