Bye Bye America !

[bambino]

Originally Posted by StandinStraight

The assassination of Kennedy allowed the oil depletion allowance to be kept at 27.5 per cent. It remained unchanged during the Johnson presidency. This resulted in a saving of over 100 million dollars to the American oil industry. Soon after Johnson left office it dropped to 15 per cent.

Pssst, its percent, not per cent. You said you were a Professor correct? ROLMAO!!!!

[loneshark]

Originally Posted by bambino

Pssst, its percent, not per cent. You said you were a Professor correct? ROLMAO!!!!

He represents what the Democratic leaders do to their future slaves. Feed them bullshit and then they will go out and run their mouth but nothing but shit comes out.

They interview the protesters and they have no facts just democratic rants of racism. No plans or ideas just open up America to all . Have a global society and share the wealth. Only thing is they are being used the emails have shown the Dems in power have a different agenda then what they share with the followers. They call their followers needy. The Dems will separate the rich in the party from the needy and the needy will eat out of their hand and vote democratic like a blind dog sucking up free crumbs from the rich democrats to get by.


The system is broke lobbyist control all politicians. Trump is bucking a powerful system.

No one can fix Obama care it should have never been started. Half of the people though they are covered by Obama care but they were sent to medicaid . A lot of the rest pay out the ass and have high deductibles and some pay 50 or 100 a month but without young people in it Obama care is not sustainable.
The Employer based system with others getting coverage if they could afford it worked as it was set up.

Obama care was setup to fail from the beginning. Sending 11 million to medicaid and costing billions to insure people who were not covered by working and forcing millions to buy insurance it was a train wreck waiting to happen with the health system as it was.

The Insurance companys wrote Obama care and it was a way to get more money in the long run. They jacked up employers insurance premiums also.

Obama is the reason the middle east is a mess in fact I will blame it on the last two presidents Obama and little Bush.
Those fucking wars cost trillions and we gained dick. The two Bush's and Obama screwed us.

[sexymaid_69]

I honestly had to scroll back up to the top of the page to remind myself that this was the litterbox...?

Geez, what a snoozefest.
Here are the answers.

JFK was killed by the mob, same as Marilyn.

Obamacare = good idea with horrible presentation.

We wouldn't have been in Afganistan so long if not for the poppy fields.

We would have been stepped in during the genocide(s) in Africa if their #1 import wasn't a vegetable.

Vietnam would have had a completely different outcome if not for the press.

And finally.....

Elections are bought and sold just like any other commodity.

Yeah I went there.
Allez'

[shambala]

I don't think we could've won the Vietnam war. When the Walker spy ring was broken in the mid 1980's it was revealed that beginning in 1968 John Walker told the Soviets all our troop movements in Vietnam. The Soviets told the Chinese and they told the North Vietnamese. I don't think we could have won a war against the Soviets at that time either. Walker told them where are nukes were, our submarines, etc.

And SexyMaid, you think like the great satirist & cultural critic H.L. Mencken, who said:

Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is sort of an advance auction sale of stolen goods.

Couple other favorite Mencken quotes:

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.

The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And even if he is not romantic personally he is very apt to spread discontent among those who are.

Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

[sexymaid_69]

Originally Posted by shambala

And SexyMaid, you think like the great satirist & cultural critic H.L. Mencken,

I'll take that compliment,
Although I'm not the flaming racist he was.

[sexymaid_69]

Originally Posted by shambala

And SexyMaid, you think like the great satirist & cultural critic H.L. Mencken,

I'll take that compliment,
Although I'm not the flaming racist he was.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by sexymaid_69

I honestly had to scroll back up to the top of the page to remind myself that this was the litterbox...?

Geez, what a snoozefest.
Here are the answers.

JFK was killed by the mob, same as Marilyn.

Obamacare = good idea with horrible presentation.

We wouldn't have been in Afganistan so long if not for the poppy fields.

We would have been stepped in during the genocide(s) in Africa if their #1 import wasn't a vegetable.

Vietnam would have had a completely different outcome if not for the press.

And finally.....

Elections are bought and sold just like any other commodity.

Yeah I went there.
Allez'

Why was Obama Care a good idea? It's failing on its own defiecencies. The Mob very well may have had a hand in JFKs assasination, but the they would need some help in the government.

[sexymaid_69]

The Mob very well may have had a hand in JFKs assasination, but the they would need some help in the government.

Well Duh.....
either in the gobernment or from aliens....

PS
Hoffa is on Lunar base 12.

As you said...Obama Care was a good idea? It's failing on its own deficencies.

True, ie., wrong presentation. Just tax us more and pay for the premiums....the "penalty" for most people who don't buy the insurance is usually less than their average health care cost while they're young..they were hoping for some miracle pool of money from everyone blindly signing up.

Anytime the peoples of a country don't have to worry about their medical care and prescription costs as they grow older it is a good thing.
People in other countries think it's ludicrous that we don't have some sort of real medical system in force. I happen to agree.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by sexymaid_69

The Mob very well may have had a hand in JFKs assasination, but the they would need some help in the government.

Well Duh.....
either in the gobernment or from aliens....

PS
Hoffa is on Lunar base 12.

As you said...Obama Care was a good idea? It's failing on its own deficencies.

True, ie., wrong presentation. Just tax us more and pay for the premiums....the "penalty" for most people who don't buy the insurance is usually less than their average health care cost while they're young..they were hoping for some miracle pool of money from everyone blindly signing up.

Anytime the peoples of a country don't have to worry about their medical care and prescription costs as they grow older it is a good thing.
People in other countries think it's ludicrous that we don't have some sort of real medical system in force. I happen to agree.

It was designed to fail and lead the US into a "gooberment" controlled single payer system which other socialist countries have. Such as Canada. Wealthy people from Canada routinely travel to the US for medical treatment to avoid waiting for care. It is rationed there as in other single payer systems. Buy a case of beer and a few packs of cigarettes in Canada. It's sticker shock. There is probably no perfect HC system. There are no free lunches, not even in communist country's. Look at Cuba. Everyone gets HC, but can't afford anything else. And yes, whoever killed Kennedy, they had support from someone in the "gooberment".

BTW Jinny, I am now a senior citizen. Do you offer senior discounts. I don't want to worry about my hobby needs in my old age. Maybe Trump will support tax subsidies! :thumbsu p:

[loneshark]

Originally Posted by bambino

It was designed to fail and lead the US into a "gooberment" controlled single payer system which other socialist countries have. Such as Canada. Wealthy people from Canada routinely travel to the US for medical treatment to avoid waiting for care. It is rationed there as in other single payer systems. Buy a case of beer and a few packs of cigarettes in Canada. It's sticker shock. There is probably no perfect HC system. There are no free lunches, not even in communist country's. Look at Cuba. Everyone gets HC, but can't afford anything else. And yes, whoever killed Kennedy, they had support from someone in the "gooberment".

BTW Jinny, I am now a senior citizen. Do you offer senior discounts. I don't want to worry about my hobby needs in my old age. Maybe Trump will support tax subsidies! :thumbsu p:

I will repeat it Obama care was a prelude to a government single payer mess. It was going to fail from the beginning.

20 million people pay the penlity rather then get insurance through Obama care. 11 million went to medicaid only 9 million are insured on obama care.

I have had employer based insurance all of my working life and up until the early 2000's it was not costing me that much. The insurance companys had to raise rates to employers and they were passed on to employee but overall .

I had great insurance and did not pay a ton . I had low deductibles if any. The thing is if you need heath insurance you need to get a job and this is were the Dems come in they were looking to give health care to everyone. I'm not saying we should not try to give everyone health care but its hard to do and just does not work .
The health care system was not set up to accommodate a group of mostly older people signing up for Obama care.

I know the insurance companys make money but they have to spread the risk. A company you work for is offered plans on the makeup of their employees so the insurance company knows the risk and age of all employees in that company. Benefits for companys are not cheap. Company's past along about one third of the cost of benefits to the employee.

This country will explode if we don't get people off of welfare and medicaid . We need to have good jobs for everyone and a least help only the needy.

I remember years ago people who received public assistance were given surplus food supply's .Canned meats and cheeses and other staples to help them. I'm not saying we should not help people but people need to become responsible. I though Clinton started workfare what happen to that.

I go into walmart and see people using welfare cards with Iphones in hand and a whole lot more.

[sexymaid_69]

Originally Posted by bambino

BTW Jinny, I am now a senior citizen. Do you offer senior discounts. I don't want to worry about my hobby needs in my old age. Maybe Trump will support tax subsidies! :thumbsu p:

Hun, you'll have to go to one of those European countries that covers sex therapy under their governmental healthcare plan.

I need to pay for the upkeep on the defibrillator.

[StandinStraight]

Originally Posted by loneshark

I will repeat it Obama care was a prelude to a government single payer mess. It was going to fail from the beginning.

20 million people pay the penlity rather then get insurance through Obama care. 11 million went to medicaid only 9 million are insured on obama care.

I have had employer based insurance all of my working life and up until the early 2000's it was not costing me that much. The insurance companys had to raise rates to employers and they were passed on to employee but overall .

I had great insurance and did not pay a ton . I had low deductibles if any. The thing is if you need heath insurance you need to get a job and this is were the Dems come in they were looking to give health care to everyone. I'm not saying we should not try to give everyone health care but its hard to do and just does not work .
The health care system was not set up to accommodate a group of mostly older people signing up for Obama care.

I know the insurance companys make money but they have to spread the risk. A company you work for is offered plans on the makeup of their employees so the insurance company knows the risk and age of all employees in that company. Benefits for companys are not cheap. Company's past along about one third of the cost of benefits to the employee.

This country will explode if we don't get people off of welfare and medicaid . We need to have good jobs for everyone and a least help only the needy.

I remember years ago people who received public assistance were given surplus food supply's .Canned meats and cheeses and other staples to help them. I'm not saying we should not help people but people need to become responsible. I though Clinton started workfare what happen to that.

I go into walmart and see people using welfare cards with Iphones in hand and a whole lot more.

Your argument might hold water except we always seem to be able to give welfare to the wealthy as trump is set to do with all of the tax breaks and loopholes in the tax code for the rich but want to take it away from those that need it more. The last time I checked the top income earners that are getting all the financial welfare have cell phones in hand too.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by sexymaid_69

Hun, you'll have to go to one of those European countries that covers sex therapy under their governmental healthcare plan.

I need to pay for the upkeep on the defibrillator.

See, no free lunch, or pussy!

[bkfantasy]

Originally Posted by loneshark

I have had employer based insurance all of my working life and up until the early 2000's it was not costing me that much. The insurance companies had to raise rates to employers and they were passed on to employee but overall .

You make some great points, but this is where the overall argument falls down because you ignore the reasons why costs have climbed. Why did they have to raise rates? They had to raise rates because the cost of health care was sky-rocketing. Ok, but why was it sky-rocketing? 3 major reasons...

1. Technology is expensive. Better and newer therapies cost more money than old therapies. For this reason, it is very difficult to keep health care inflation below the broader market inflation. The only way to do so is to stick to old tried and true therapies. But does anybody going in for a hip replacement want a 1995 version of the procedure or a 2017 version?

2. The archaic patent system in this country allows companies to create mini-monopolies on drugs and therapies. If there are artificial barriers to competition, then you can guarantee that prices will be too high.

3. Too many people were receiving health care and never paying. This means that everyone who does pay (either through insurance or out of pocket) is subsidizing those freeloaders. Have you ever been to an emergency room? Take a look around and try to guess how many of them are actually going to pay for the services they are about to receive. You might be shocked. Folks who dislike socialized medicine don't realize we've already had it for years.

Some folks would argue that regulation and malpractice lawsuits were driving the costs. But those were very, very small market influences.

Don't be so quick to claim Obamacare is a failure. It's not a failure to the millions of folks with pre-existing conditions who were unable to obtain insurance at any price in the past. It's not a failure to the millions of folks under 26 who are unable to obtain employer based coverage and can remain under their parents' plan (though the obvious solution here is to drive job growth and get these folks employed). It's not a failure to the self-employed who can now buy insurance on the exchanges rather than being stuck with whatever plan is available in their location.

Where Obamacare has 'failed' is because it does nothing to address items #1 and #2 above. I haven't seen a plan that does. Most folks who complain about Obamacare want to go back to a free market system and allow capitalism to work it's magic. But the previous system was anything but 'free market'.

[bkfantasy]

Originally Posted by StandinStraight

Your argument might hold water except we always seem to be able to give welfare to the wealthy as trump is set to do with all of the tax breaks and loopholes in the tax code for the rich but want to take it away from those that need it more. The last time I checked the top income earners that are getting all the financial welfare have cell phones in hand too.

I'm not fan of Trump, but claiming that tax breaks and loopholes are equivalent to welfare is silly. If you want to argue whether tax rates should be higher at the top income level or whether capital gains should be taxed differently, then go ahead and justify that. But saying that allowing people to keep more of the income they earned (cutting taxes) is the same as redistributing money from people who earned it to people who did not (welfare).... like I said, that's silly.