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Old 04-06-2020, 03:31 PM   #346
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Great article on Trump in the current issue of Wa Po written by a presidential historian. the verdict is in:
The. Worst. President. Ever. the author points out that James Buchanan just breathed a huge sigh of relief from wherever he rests..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

i'm not going into detail right now on another piece of evidence that Trump is a clown, but here's the gist:
The Captain of the carrier U.S.S. Roosevelt (Crozier) send an all hands on deck email to basically anyone he thought could help stating his great concern for the safety of his crew after Covid19 broke out on board, stating his men did not need to needlesdly die. the email got leaked to the press. Trump thought it made him look bad, so he pressured Crozier's boss Modly (Sec. of Navy) to fire Crozier, which he did, citing Crozier's failure to follow the chain of command. (Modly should have said hell naw, you can fire me instead. screw the chain of command when you're guys are dying for no good reason.) the sendoff of the Captain by his crew was a sight to behold and made me proud to be an American and mortified that we have such a clown at the top. (Crozier has Covid19 and is in quarantine.)
https://www.google.com/search?biw=41...0.hdyP3WmefbM# the NBC News video is good.
more backstory on the worst president ever article. the author, Max Boot, is a self-identified conservative.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...1AQFKAGwASA%3D
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But you're presenting it as fact not opinion. That's why the media is getting such a bad rep.


Here's a good example of how they mislead.
CNN calls Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon anchors.
Fox calls Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham hosts.
They do the same thing but Cuomo and Lemon are not anchors in the traditional sense. They are hosts of their own opinion shows. Do you see how that's misleading? Non of them are presenting pure news. It's always tempered with opinion including their own so a better description would be commentator. Why do you think CNN chooses to use the word Anchor?
Walter Cronkite, Tom Brokaw and Peter Jennings were anchors all were liberals but you never heard opinion from them just the news. The people that work the local evening news are anchors. The local station will occasionally present an editorial opinion but it will be at the end of the news cast, it will be identified as editorial in nature and is generally presented by the GM not an anchor or newscaster probably to preserve the audience's perception of those people as unbiased. Once you offer an opinion you can't go back to being just a journalist.



Touting an Op-ed as fact is no different. That dude doesn't know why Trump fired Atkinson. Trump says it's because he lost confidence in the guy. Atkinson says it's something else. The FACT is only Trump knows why he fired Atkinson, anything else is speculation, but the writer of the Op-Ed presents it as fact. No where in the piece does he say "this is my opinion of what happened". That is intentionally misleading.

Again, that's why the media is getting such a bad rep.
i have no objection to your media commentary. opinion should be identified as opinion and fact as fact. i thought it was clear that it was an opinion piece.

as to the firing of the Intel Inspector General, Trump has a long and troubling history of firing anyone who has ever checked him. are you with me or do i need to cite each and every time Trump has fired people for no other reason than because they acted as a legitimate check on his power or expressed any disagreement with him in the least? the list is actually pretty long.

just waiting for him to fire Fauci-the top Infect Dis doc in the country-and appoint trade rep Peter Navarro in his place as the head of the CDC. with any normal president i would be joking, but when it comes to Trump, who knows? hiring competent people is way down on his list, way below hiring "loyal" people-yes men who will do his bidding come what may and praise him for wonderfulness and being the best president ever.
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pxmcc you have come out of your self-imposed "sabbatical" in a triggered way only those on the left can master...about a half dozen posted in almost a back-to-back diatribe with very questionable sources that are nothing more the mouth pieces for the democraps. I got a kick out of the max butt quote...this fucker is a never Trumper. I provided you actual TRUE information on Trumps positive approval on his handling of the unprecedented situation...and it left you speechless.

In regard to bitten he can't string two sentences together...get ready for for more year of your blood pressure at stroke levels!! You need to except the fact that the left has thrown everything they can at the President and come up with NOTHING!! I see it in your earlier rambling nonsensical post that had you beet red on the face...ain't going to do you no good. Time for you to take a chill pill.

If you thought the left had any other motives on the effect of the virus on Trump then think again.
All the sources you quoted are political operatives and are in no way unbiased sources...you loss again!!

This is from politico not a rightwing site or Trump supporter.
This is just a small piece from the article...what self-loathing BULLSHIT!!


“If life were fair,” he said, Trump would already be paying a price for his chaotic handling of the pandemic. Instead, the president’s approval rating has not taken a hit, and the dominant images are of him “at the podium in the White House, quote, in charge,” Francis said. “If those stick and they’re not countered effectively, he could get reelected."


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...mp-2020-154976


How coronavirus blew up the plan to take down Trump
Donald Trump’s reelection is likely to rise or fall on his handling of the pandemic. And there isn’t much Democrats can do about it.

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For many Democrats, it’s the election of a lifetime. Yet the question preoccupying the party for several days this month was whether their presumptive presidential nominee, Joe Biden, could get the webcast working in his rec room.
It was a telling obsession, one that revealed the extent of the party’s anxiety as it comes to a nail-biting conclusion: Despite all the arguments Democrats have crafted and all the evidence they have amassed against Donald Trump, his reelection is likely to rise or fall on his handling of the coronavirus crisis and its fallout alone.

“It’s the most dramatic example I can think of in my lifetime about how you cannot control the agenda,” said Les Francis, a Democratic strategist and former deputy White House chief of staff in the Carter administration.

“If life were fair,” he said, Trump would already be paying a price for his chaotic handling of the pandemic. Instead, the president’s approval rating has not taken a hit, and the dominant images are of him “at the podium in the White House, quote, in charge,” Francis said. “If those stick and they’re not countered effectively, he could get reelected."

Campaigning during coronavirus

The effect of the coronavirus on Trump’s popularity will not become clear for weeks or months. But the pandemic’s impact on the Democratic Party has already been severe. Primary elections are being postponed, allowing Bernie Sanders to linger in the race and delay until June the ability of Biden to mathematically clinch the nomination and fully turn his focus to Trump.
The public’s unbreakable focus on the virus is narrowing the range of issues on which Democrats can effectively draw contrasts with Trump — temporarily sidelining a broader agenda involving once-pressing issues such as climate change and gun control.
“It was always going to be a referendum on Trump,” said Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor who ran unsuccessfully for president in 2004. “But the referendum was going to be about things like climate change and how you want to reform health care and all these other things. Now it’s only going to be about this one thing — whether Trump is competent and sane.”
Trump, he said, is “a deeply disturbed narcissist who is incapable of being a leader, and that’s what the referendum is going to be on.”
Most Democratic strategists believe, like Dean, that Trump’s reelection prospects will be diminished by the pandemic, with its rising death toll and ruinous effect on the economy. But the general election is more than seven months away and Trump’s public approval rating has ticked up as the coronavirus has spread — though not nearly as high as the last Republican president, George W. Bush, following the 9/11 terrorist attacks,

Scott Brennan, an Iowa Democratic National Committee member and a former state party chairman, said, “If the economy pops back … it’s hard to know what people are going to think.”
In an effort to influence those voters, Biden has resolved the technological difficulties that marred his earliest appearances from his home in Wilmington, Del. He is now making regular appearances, via webcast, to speak about the coronavirus pandemic, including town hall meetings and a rush of TV interviews.
But the effectiveness of his counterprogramming is unclear, as Biden competes for attention not only with Trump, but with high-profile Democratic governors such as California’s Gavin Newsom, New York’s Andrew Cuomo and Michigan's Gretchen Whitmer, who — unlike Biden — are sitting executives involved in the coronavirus response.
Biden, said Darry Sragow, a longtime CaliforniaDemocratic strategist, “has no control over this at all.”
“To me, it’s like you’re in a bar and a brawl breaks out,” Sragow said. “You’ve got to park your immediate instinct. You have no control over the immediate outcome of the brawl.”
One problem for Democrats is that the nation’s battlewith coronavirus — and Trump’s position at the center of it — may go on for months. The party’s marquee political event, the Democratic National Convention, scheduled for July, is the subject of contingency planning in case the coronavirus still precludes large crowds from gathering. DNC officials said last week that planning is moving forward for the Milwaukee event. But many Democrats are doubtful — and fearful of a worst-case scenario in which the pandemic upends the Democratic convention, but not the Republican gathering the following month.
“It matters for this reason,” said Bob Mulholland, a DNC member from California. “That Thursday night speech by our nominee could be seen by 50 to 60 million Americans, most of them who haven’t paid a minute of attention to the primary. That’s the conversation that takes us to winning.”
He said, “If we have to cancel and Trump has a convention with 40,000 people screaming and yelling … that’s an advantage to Trump, because nobody saw us except some text they got, and then they watched Trump.”
Jay Jacobs, chairman of the New York Democratic Party, suggested last week that Democrats should at least consider putting their convention off until late August. Even if the coronavirus pandemic has eased by late spring, he said, “everybody’s going to be absolutely exhausted.”
At a minimum, the pandemic is shortening the time frame with which Democrats will run their fall campaign. And it is changing expectations about the resonance of any issue other than the coronavirus.

Advocates of “Medicare for All” have seized on the pandemic as a way to highlight their concerns about health care. Gun control activists have drawn connections to the crisis, raising alarms about domestic violence and unsafe gun storage with Americans spending far more hours at home. Climate change activists have advanced the “Green New Deal” as a tool for economic recovery, while also pointing to the world’s massive response to the coronavirus as a template for climate mobilization. Peter Ambler, executive director of the gun control group Giffords, said gun control — which was once a major focus of the Democratic primary — is “baked into our politics and our culture in a way that’s not going to evaporate.”
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^^bb just cite the article. i'll read your commentary and i can link to the article. i agree that Politico is fair and balanced.

i tried to find this news on Fox News but i couldn't find it anywhere as of this writing. i guess it's not newsworthy. trump needs to be impeached again. he's a wannabe dictator, not a president.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b6e1a2e0fabbf5

for his supporters, at what point does his corruption and his antidemocratic predilections become too much? does any such point exist?

are there any independents who don't think he needs to go, and quickly? if so, i would love to hear from them.

for his supporters, are there any among you who don't think it's necessary to have a watchdog to ensure that your taxpayer dollars don't end up in Trump's pockets? like, seriously? he is not America First, he's Trump First and always has been.

although i disagree with john bolton on everything, he truly is America First. quite a contrast with his old boss.
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for his supporters, at what point does his corruption and his antidemocratic predilections become too much? does any such point exist?
Nope. It's too late to turn back now. Trump supporters jumped on that suicide plane years ago as it was cascading up the Swiss Alps. They also knew he parachuted himself to safety and yet they remained on the plane full of arrogance and yet hoping for a safe landing. Trump supporters are also to blame for this current Covid crisis. They enabled and supported his incompetence because oddly enough they say they resonated with it. Lol go figure.
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update. Fox News did post the story. credit to the author; he might lose his job if Trump sees the article, but he posted it anyway. the author even noted that Trump isn't exactly fond of Inspectors General (and by implication, oversight.)

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...stimulus-funds
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^^bb just cite the article. i'll read your commentary and i can link to the article. i agree that Politico is fair and balanced.

i tried to find this news on Fox News but i couldn't find it anywhere as of this writing. i guess it's not newsworthy. trump needs to be impeached again. he's a wannabe dictator, not a president.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b6e1a2e0fabbf5

for his supporters, at what point does his corruption and his antidemocratic predilections become too much? does any such point exist?

are there any independents who don't think he needs to go, and quickly? if so, i would love to hear from them.

for his supporters, are there any among you who don't think it's necessary to have a watchdog to ensure that your taxpayer dollars don't end up in Trump's pockets? like, seriously? he is not America First, he's Trump First and always has been.

although i disagree with john bolton on everything, he truly is America First. quite a contrast with his old boss.
I'm an independent conservative, not a Republican....if you don't know the difference I'm not going to explain it to you.
Strange you didn't expound very much on the politico article I posted...Hmm
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^^triage sir. indy conservative makes sense though.

so now we know Trump's real plan: replace all the real Inspectors General with political clowns, just like he did his Atty General. he already has a clown as his IG over the DHS; he wants every one of his IGs to be clowns. this guy is too much.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/07/polit...nds/index.html
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Your new handle...duck, dodge and hide.
Everyone he got rid off were obummer partisan hacks...oh I forget there is no partisans on the left

What was your take on the politico article...Mr. dodge and deflect??
You link far left wing hack websites and expect me to believe you don't have an agenda...Yeah right. You sir are a TDS leftwing kool-aid drinker. There is a reason Fox is number 1 and the website you provide links to are down are where whales mate

You still a registered independent in Texas??
Funny how you and SC are the only ones who start political thread in the sandbox...there is a place for political discussion...but the critical analysis is too much for you there.
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Regardless of how you feel about Trump.... can you honestly vote for Biden after seeing his fireside chats from his basement? He appears to have serious dementia in all honesty.....

So seriously need another choice other than either of these two but alas, there is honestly not one.
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Your new handle...duck, dodge and hide.
Everyone he got rid off were obummer partisan hacks...oh I forget there is no partisans on the left

What was your take on the politico article...Mr. dodge and deflect??
You link far left wing hack websites and expect me to believe you don't have an agenda...Yeah right. You sir are a TDS leftwing kool-aid drinker. There is a reason Fox is number 1 and the website you provide links to are down are where whales mate

You still a registered independent in Texas??
Funny how you and SC are the only ones who start political thread in the sandbox...there is a place for political discussion...but the critical analysis is too much for you there.
chill sir. i just read the Politico article. i don't see anything in there all that groundbreaking. is there a specific point that you would like to highlight from that article?

leftovers from Obama? nope. you are either a politic hack or you are a legit Inspector General. why is it that Obama didn't ever want or need to replace the Inspectors General left over from Bush? simple answer: because he is not the most corrupt president in the history of the Republic; Trump is.

i'm not interested in "winning" an argument with you sir. i could write a 300 page treatise on Trump's level of corruption proving he is the most corrupt president in the history of the United States. will i? nope. take up a collection for me to write a book on it and i'd be happy to do it as a commissioned work.

there is enough evidence in this minimalist thread to show that he is extremely corrupt. if you prefer to put your head in the sand and ignore that ample evidence, you can't be helped sir. if you want me to educate you, set up a go fund me account; when it gets to 20 grand, i'll start writing, so long as it is available for all to read online as i write it, and as more people donate to the cause,i get to keep the 20k plus all other donations above 20k. if you cant do all that, all you're going to get is this lousy free thread lol.

the Dems dont have an anti-Trump firebrand. i'm a screwball but i'm a firebrand. i would end every rally with a recitation of Trump's felonies and end every rally with a chant accompanied by Kodo Drummers, like thunder from Zeus' thunderbolt ricocheting across the land:

"VOTE HIM OUT AND LOCK HIM UP. VOTE HIM OUT AND LOCK HIM UP." repeat 10 more times.

the dems need someone like me who doesn't give a fuck. like i said, im a screwball, so i wouldn't make a very good politician. but i would be the perfect foil for Trump cause i love to fight and if i got assassinated by one of trump's alt-right supporters, i would consider it a huge honor in service of my country.

i dunno maybe as we get closer to the election, i might start a u-tube channel and show the uninspiring dems how you go after trump. the closest to an effective firebrand on the left is Sanders (and AOC but she's not in the race.) would he be hurt in the general by calling himself a democratic socialist? yes. he never should have backed himself into a corner by labeling himself a democratic socialist. dumb dumb dumb. he should have explained how his policies would be good for ordinary Americans and left it at that.

@crypt: i'm neither enthused nor inspired by biden. i'm actually worried he's hillary 2.0. but at least he is not the most corrupt politician in the history of the Republic, so there's that..
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I guess you selectively read the article as I highlighted the crying about his approval in the article and how ALL their attempts to trash him aren't working and how can this be, you don't understand that yours aren't either...you sir and the rest of the TDS crowd are void of any self-awarness.

Your complete narrative in one sentence.The right bad and the left good. All the other nonsense you bloviate is just that, so you revert to the sandbox where you feel you're safe from criticism about your leftwing views. Can you provide me just ONE thread started from the right in this sandbox...no you can't it's from you and SC...PERIOD!!

I just love the part were you feign "civility" when it fits your narrative, but coming from a guy who wants to kick the ass of elderly politicians you disagree with and bow down to your gods on the left is just pathetic.


P.S. A little reminder of your "civility"...as I stated before...you sir are a hypocrite!
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https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciar...of-impeachment
ya well go fuck yourself too u little whiny know-nothing bitch..

and get the fuck off my thread while you're at it. this is why we can't have nice things around here..

i'm sorry to hear you never learned how to read. the state of american education. smdh.
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^^i seem to recall that when you quote an infraction, that's also an infraction. back on topic bb. this thread is about trump. stop trying to start shit.
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RTM me Mr."civility"...so pointing out your vile language is "starting shit?"
I'm going to call you out ever single time...you can count on it.
Just pointing out you blatant hypocrisy and masterful deflection.
I missed the part where you told me that you and SC weren't the only two
starting political threads in the sandbox.
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^^sir if your thesis is that i have a short fuse, umm lets just say that's not exactly a revelation around these parts lol..

trump sir, trump. that's the topic. if you want to talk about me, i think that's a different topic which would require a new umm..thread. lol.
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