#DiedSuddenly reporting

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Iam going to let the Doctor in this clip explain it. He can explain it much better than I can besides nobody wants to believe me anyway.



https://www.bitchute.com/video/Z7e1WLoOctZ2/

He's just not right Levianon. The guy is some kind of alternative medicine witch doctor who lost his medical license,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas..._practitioner)

The virus has been isolated, sequenced, and examined with electron microscopy, on numerous occasions. See for example,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036342/
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.00543-20
https://theconversation.com/i-study-...andemic-133675

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

He's just not right Levianon. The guy is some kind of alternative medicine witch doctor who lost his medical license,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas..._practitioner)

The virus has been isolated, sequenced, and examined with electron microscopy, on numerous occasions. See for example,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036342/
https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/jvi.00543-20
https://theconversation.com/i-study-...andemic-133675

Cowan didn't lose his Medical License he simply stopped practicing Allopathic Medicine and studies Naturopathic. Since you think the articles you posted are an isolation technique email them to Dr. Cowan see what he thinks. Besides nothing in your articles mentions where the isolate was inoculated into a healthy test subject and the test subject was made ill and the virus was then extracted and compared to the original cultured virus.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Cowan didn't lose his Medical License he simply stopped practicing Allopathic Medicine and studies Naturopathic. Since you think the articles you posted are an isolation technique email them to Dr. Cowan see what he thinks. Besides nothing in your articles mentions where the isolate was inoculated into a healthy test subject and the test subject was made ill and the virus was then extracted and compared to the original cultured virus.

Many researchers would have qualms about infecting healthy people with COVID.

Nevertheless, Here's a paper where the SARS-COV-2 virus was isolated and used to infect subjects,

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1121993/v1

Here's the technique used to isolate the virus from swabs taken from a COVID patient:

The virus was isolated by inoculation of a qualified cGMP Vero cell line with the clinical sample. Sequence analysis showed this to be from the 20A clade of the B.1 lineage and possessed the D614G mutation. A Seed Virus Stock was then generated by a further passage on the same cGMP Vero cell line. The Seed Virus Stock was then used to manufacture the Challenge Virus in accordance with cGMP at the Zayed Centre for Research (ZCR) GMP manufacturing facility of Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) and a Challenge Virus Master Virus Bank (MVB) was produced.

Now, did they subsequently isolate the virus in the infected individuals? Well, no. But the majority of the individuals exhibited symptoms, tested positive with PCR tests, and the virus was further identified and quantified with focus forming assays.

Further isolating the virus from the infected subjects would appear to me to be a waste of time and money.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Many researchers would have qualms about infecting healthy people with COVID.

Nevertheless, Here's a paper where the SARS-COV-2 virus was isolated and used to infect subjects,

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1121993/v1

Here's the technique used to isolate the virus from swabs taken from a COVID patient:

The virus was isolated by inoculation of a qualified cGMP Vero cell line with the clinical sample. Sequence analysis showed this to be from the 20A clade of the B.1 lineage and possessed the D614G mutation. A Seed Virus Stock was then generated by a further passage on the same cGMP Vero cell line. The Seed Virus Stock was then used to manufacture the Challenge Virus in accordance with cGMP at the Zayed Centre for Research (ZCR) GMP manufacturing facility of Great Ormond Street Hospital (GOSH) and a Challenge Virus Master Virus Bank (MVB) was produced.

Now, did they subsequently isolate the virus in the infected individuals? Well, no. But the majority of the individuals exhibited symptoms, tested positive with PCR tests, and the virus was further identified and quantified with focus forming assays.

Further isolating the virus from the infected subjects would appear to me to be a waste of time and money.

Isolating a virus isn't a waste of time or money. If a virologist wants to know if a virus causes a particular disease he has to have a purified sample of it to understand what it does and how it causes disease so that a treatment can be developed. With Covid the four Koch Postulates was never fulfilled instead they utilize the PCR Test. The PCR Test was derived from an in Silico Genome Phytogenic Analysis which is done by Computer. This Genome is quite large said to be 30,000 base pairs. So if a person tests positive for Covid-19 that essentially means they posses only particles of the Genome Sequence it doesn't matter if they have symptoms or not they are considered to have Covid. Anyone at any given time can have a particle of a virus or viron it doesn't mean they are sick or will get sick. This is why the PCR Test is famous for the large number of False Positives.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Isolating a virus isn't a waste of time or money. If a virologist wants to know if a virus causes a particular disease he has to have a purified sample of it to understand what it does and how it causes disease so that a treatment can be developed. With Covid the four Koch Postulates was never fulfilled instead they utilize the PCR Test. The PCR Test was derived from an in Silico Genome Phytogenic Analysis which is done by Computer. This Genome is quite large said to be 30,000 base pairs. So if a person tests positive for Covid-19 that essentially means they posses only particles of the Genome Sequence it doesn't matter if they have symptoms or not they are considered to have Covid. Anyone at any given time can have a particle of a virus or viron it doesn't mean they are sick or will get sick. This is why the PCR Test is famous for the large number of False Positives.

OK, now I see where you're coming from, with pure cultures, etc.

It doesn't make sense to use nineteenth century science and medicine (Koch postulates) and ignore everything that came afterwards. Requiring all the Koch postulates to be met in order to state that a virus causes a disease is crazy.

You can't grow a virus in a pure culture.

Furthermore, viruses cultured with human or animal tissue may be attenuated so they won't cause disease. (That isn't necessarily the case with SARS-CoV-2 though -- see paper I linked too above.)

How exactly are you going to satisfy the third postulate with diseases like AIDS? Recreate the Tuskegee Experiment, where 400 men were infected with syphilis, hundreds of times over?

And what sense does it make to isolate the virus from individuals infected with the virus, when, for example, through PCR testing you know the virus has been replicating in the infectees and a majority exhibit symptoms of the disease?

Yes there are asymptomatic cases of COVID. Perhaps 10% to 50% are asymptomatic, depending on how you define "asymptomatic" and and depending on the variant. But the fact that a person's asymptomatic doesn't mean he hasn't been infected.

Now if you want to argue that people who have strong immune systems or some immunity to COVID are less likely to have symptoms or severe symptoms, I'll agree with you. On that note, one study indicated around 9% of Delta cases were asymptomatic, compared to 25% for Omicron. That in no small part was because of the immunity from severe disease we've all gained through infection and/or vaccination, from the time the Delta wave hit to when Omicron surfaced.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by Tiny

OK, now I see where you're coming from, with pure cultures, etc.

It doesn't make sense to use nineteenth century science and medicine (Koch postulates) and ignore everything that came afterwards. Requiring all the Koch postulates to be met in order to state that a virus causes a disease is crazy.

You can't grow a virus in a pure culture.

Furthermore, viruses cultured with human or animal tissue may be attenuated so they won't cause disease. (That isn't necessarily the case with SARS-CoV-2 though -- see paper I linked too above.)

How exactly are you going to satisfy the third postulate with diseases like AIDS? Recreate the Tuskegee Experiment, where 400 men were infected with syphilis, hundreds of times over?

And what sense does it make to isolate the virus from individuals infected with the virus, when, for example, through PCR testing you know the virus has been replicating in the infectees and a majority exhibit symptoms of the disease?

Yes there are asymptomatic cases of COVID. Perhaps 10% to 50% are asymptomatic, depending on how you define "asymptomatic" and and depending on the variant. But the fact that a person's asymptomatic doesn't mean he hasn't been infected.

Now if you want to argue that people who have strong immune systems or some immunity to COVID are less likely to have symptoms or severe symptoms, I'll agree with you. On that note, one study indicated around 9% of Delta cases were asymptomatic, compared to 25% for Omicron. That in no small part was because of the immunity from severe disease we've all gained through infection and/or vaccination, from the time the Delta wave hit to when Omicron surfaced.

Maybe you misunderstood me. It's not that the Virologist is growing the virus in a pure culture the virus must be a purified sample after all the steps of the experimental process has been completed for further analysis.

[The_Waco_Kid]

the fauci weasel speaks weasel .. because he's a weasel


Dr. Fauci claims a coronavirus lab leak could still be considered a 'natural occurrence'

'If that's the definition of lab leak, then that's still a natural occurrence,' Fauci said

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fau...ral-occurrence


Dr. Anthony Fauci said Saturday that a coronavirus lab leak could still be considered a "natural occurrence" if the definition of lab leak meant that someone was infected in the wild and went "into a lab," was studied in a lab, and then "came out of the lab."


Fauci joined CNN's Jim Acosta on Saturday and speculated how a coronavirus lab leak could have occurred.


"A lab leak could be that someone was out in the wild, maybe looking for different types of viruses in bats, got infected, went into a lab, and was being studied in a lab, and then came out of the lab. But if that's the definition of lab leak, then that's still a natural occurrence," Fauci said.


He said the other possibility was that a virus "accidentally" escaped a lab after being taken from an environment.


"The other possibility is someone takes a virus from the environment that doesn't actually spread very well in humans, and manipulates it a bit, and accidentally it escapes or accidentally infects someone and then you get an outbreak," he said.


Fauci also said that there have been no lab leaks that have led to a pandemic.
"There are no lab leaks that have led to pandemics, so there have been accidents in the lab. That happens intermittently. We’ve had experiences with that in modern times, recently, but there has never been a situation where a virus escaped from a lab that’s a brand-new virus that no one has ever seen before that led to a pandemic. That has not happened," he said.


Acosta also asked Fauci if his thinking on a possible coronavirus lab leak has evolved at all.


You know, Jim, I’ve kept an open mind throughout the entire process. What has changed over months to a year or more is what I mentioned a bit ago, namely that as evolutionary virologists went into this deeper and deeper and analyzed it from a number of standpoints, epidemiologically, virologically, geospatially; they wrote two very important, well written, peer-reviewed papers in Science Magazine strongly suggesting that, in fact, it was a natural occurrence from an animal to a human. But strongly suggesting, Jim, doesn't nail it down definitively. And that’s the reason why I say to this day I will keep a completely open mind as to what the origin is," he responded.


Fauci has said for months now that, while he was keeping a "completely open mind," he believed evidence pointed away from a lab leak.

RAND PAUL BLASTS FAUCI AFTER FREEZE-OUT ALLEGATIONS: A ‘FACT’ FAUCI CONVINCED SCIENTISTS TO CHANGE MINDS


Some conservatives and others reacted to Fauci's comments on Sunday.


"The absolute knots you must tie yourself into to maintain the formerly approved opinions on Covid origins and mask mandate efficacy and school closures," Mary Katharine Ham tweeted.


House Democrats and Republicans voted unanimously on a bill that would require the director of national intelligence to declassify all intelligence related to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and possible links to the origins of the COVID-19 virus.


The bill comes after the Department of Energy and the FBI have concluded that the coronavirus likely originated in a lab.

[The_Waco_Kid]

remember when the FBI and DOE said recently there was a probably that the covid flu came from a lab? and the immediate response from the left was reports that they "found" traces at the wet market that indicated a cage where a raccoon dog was kept had traces of covid? three years after the fact? three years after the Chinese wiped it clean of any evidence?


then the evidence appeared in an online database of research on viruses? well that evidence disappeared days later.


WHO Accuses China of Hiding Data That May Link COVID’s Origins to Animals

https://www.yahoo.com/news/accuses-c...142529024.html



Shy raccoon dog, nyctereutes procyonoides, looking away on a meadow in summertime. Low angle view of wild animal in natural environment standing in green grass. (JMrocek via Getty Images)


Benjamin Mueller
March 18, 2023·7 min read


The World Health Organization rebuked Chinese officials Friday for withholding research that may link COVID-19’s origin to wild animals, asking why the data had not been made available three years ago and why it is now missing.


Before the Chinese data disappeared, an international team of virus experts downloaded and began analyzing the research, which appeared online in January. They say it supports the idea that the pandemic could have begun when illegally traded raccoon dogs infected humans at a Wuhan seafood market.


But the gene sequences were removed from a scientific database once the experts offered to collaborate on the analysis with their Chinese counterparts.


“These data could have — and should have — been shared three years ago,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said. The missing evidence now “needs to be shared with the international community immediately,” he said.


According to the experts who are reviewing it, the research offers evidence that raccoon dogs — foxlike animals known to spread coronaviruses — had left behind DNA in the same place in the Wuhan market that genetic signatures of the new coronavirus also were discovered.


To some experts, that finding suggests that the animals may have been infected and may have transmitted the virus to humans.


With huge amounts of genetic information drawn from swabs of animal cages, carts and other surfaces at the Wuhan market in early 2020, the genetic data had been the focus of restless anticipation among virus experts since they learned of it a year ago in a paper by Chinese scientists.


A French biologist discovered the genetic sequences in the database last week, and she and a team of colleagues began mining them for clues about the origins of the pandemic.


That team has not yet released a paper outlining the findings. But the researchers delivered an analysis of the material to a WHO advisory group studying COVID’s origins this week in a meeting that also included a presentation by Chinese researchers regarding the same data.


The analysis seemed to clash with earlier contentions by Chinese scientists that samples taken in the market that were positive for the coronavirus had been ferried in by sick people alone, said Sarah Cobey, an epidemiologist and evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago who was not involved in recent research.


“It’s just very unlikely to be seeing this much animal DNA, especially raccoon dog DNA, mixed in with viral samples, if it’s simply mostly human contamination,” Cobey said.


Questions remain about how the samples were collected, what precisely they contained and why the evidence had disappeared. In light of the ambiguities, many scientists reacted cautiously, saying that it was difficult to assess the research without seeing a complete report.


The idea that a lab accident could have accidentally set off the pandemic has become the focus of renewed interest in recent weeks, thanks in part to a fresh intelligence assessment from the Department of Energy and hearings held by the new Republican House leadership.


But a number of virus experts not involved with the latest analysis said that what was known about the swabs gathered in the market buttressed the case that animals sold there had sparked the pandemic.


“It’s exactly what you’d expect if the virus was emerging from an intermediate or multiple intermediate hosts in the market,” Cobey said. “I think ecologically, this is close to a closed case.”


Cobey was one of 18 scientists who signed an influential letter in the journal Science in May 2021 urging serious consideration of a scenario in which the virus could have spilled out of a laboratory in Wuhan.


On Friday, she said lab leaks continued to pose enormous risks and that more oversight of research into dangerous pathogens was needed. But Cobey added that an accumulation of evidence — relating to the clustering of human cases around the Wuhan market, the genetic diversity of viruses there and now the raccoon dog data — strengthened the case for a market origin.


The new genetic data does not appear to prove that a raccoon dog was infected with the coronavirus. Even if it had been, the possibility would remain that another animal could have passed that virus to people, or even that someone infected with the virus could have transmitted it to a raccoon dog.


Some scientists stressed those points Friday, saying that the new genetic data did not appreciably shift the discussion about the pandemic’s origins.


“We know it’s a promiscuous virus that infects a bunch of species,” said David Fisman, an epidemiologist at the University of Toronto, who also signed the May 2021 letter in Science.


Chinese scientists had released a study in February 2022 looking at the market samples. Some scientists speculated that the Chinese researchers might have posted the data in January because they were required to make them available as part of a review of their study by a scientific journal.


The Chinese study had suggested that samples that were positive for the virus had come from infected people, rather than from animals sold in the market. That fit with a narrative long promulgated by Chinese officials: that the virus sprang not only from outside the market but from outside the country altogether.


But the Chinese report had left clues that viral material at the market had been jumbled together with genetic material from animals. And scientists said the new analysis by the international team illustrated an even stronger link with animals.


“Scientifically, it doesn’t prove that raccoon dogs were the source, but it sure smells like infected raccoon dogs were at the market,” said Jeremy Kamil, a virologist at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center Shreveport.


He added: “It raises more questions about what the Chinese government really knows.”


Scientists cautioned that it was not clear that the genetic material from the virus and from raccoon dogs had been deposited at the same time.


Depending on the stability of genetic material from the virus and the animals, said Michael Imperiale, a virologist at the University of Michigan, “they could have been deposited there at potentially widely different times.”


Still, Dr. Arturo Casadevall, an immunologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health who co-authored a recent study with Imperiale examining the origin of the coronavirus, said that linking animal and viral material nevertheless added to the evidence of a natural spillover event.


“I would say it strengthens the zoonotic idea,” he said, “that is, the idea that it came from an animal at the market.”


In the absence of the actual animal that first spread the virus to people, Casadevall said, assessing the origins of an outbreak would always involve weighing probabilities. In this case, animals sold at the market were removed before researchers began taking samples in early 2020, making it impossible to find a culprit.


Tim Stearns, dean of graduate and postgraduate studies at the Rockefeller University in New York, said the latest finding was “an interesting piece of the puzzle,” although he said it was “not in itself definitive and highlights the need for a more thorough investigation.”


For all the missing elements, some scientists said the new findings highlighted just how much information scientists had managed to assemble about the beginnings of the pandemic, including home addresses for early patients and sequence data from the market.


Theodora Hatziioannou, a virologist at the Rockefeller University, said it was critical that the raw data be released. But, she said, “I think the evidence is overwhelming at the moment toward a market origin.”


And the latest data, she said, “makes it even more unlikely that this started somewhere else.”


Felicia Goodrum, an immunobiologist at the University of Arizona, said that finding the virus in an actual animal would be the strongest evidence of a market origin. But finding virus and animal material in the same swab was close.


“To me,” she said, “this is the next best thing.”


c.2023 The New York Times Company

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

remember when the FBI and DOE said recently there was a probably that the covid flu came from a lab? and the immediate response from the left was reports that they "found" traces at the wet market that indicated a cage where a raccoon dog was kept had traces of covid? three years after the fact? three years after the Chinese wiped it clean of any evidence?


then the evidence appeared in an online database of research on viruses? well that evidence disappeared days later.

We were discussing that in another thread -

https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php...post1063137734

My guess is that the Chinese government is responsible for that being taken down, because they want to suppress any evidence that COVID may have come from the Wuhan market. They'd like to say COVID originated outside of China, ideally in a U.S. military lab.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by Tiny

My guess is that the Chinese government is responsible for that being taken down, because they want to suppress any evidence that COVID may have come from the Wuhan market. They'd like to say COVID originated outside of China, ideally in a U.S. military lab.

LOLOLOLOL. Oh jesus. How stupid do you have to be to believe that in a land of 6,601,665 Square fucking miles, the WUhan flu virus originated with 10 miles of the ONLY lab in China that actually deals with the EXACT same strains of Virus?

Seriously? You still believe those intel experts that the Hunter Biden laptop is a Russian intelligence operation?

Nevermind that there is evidence that after Gain-of-Function (GoF) research was banned in US labs that Fauci funneled US taxpayer money to the Wuhan lab to research the exact same shit that escaped?

For me the question isn't where did it come from, it's was it a coordinated release by the Democrats and the ChiComs to take down Trump via fraud in the mail in balloting process in the 2020 election. The timing on all of it alone is suspicious.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by texassapper

LOLOLOLOL. Oh jesus. How stupid do you have to be to believe that in a land of 6,601,665 Square fucking miles, the WUhan flu virus originated with 10 miles of the ONLY lab in China that actually deals with the EXACT same strains of Virus?

Seriously? You still believe those intel experts that the Hunter Biden laptop is a Russian intelligence operation?

Nevermind that there is evidence that after Gain-of-Function (GoF) research was banned in US labs that Fauci funneled US taxpayer money to the Wuhan lab to research the exact same shit that escaped?

For me the question isn't where did it come from, it's was it a coordinated release by the Democrats and the ChiComs to take down Trump via fraud in the mail in balloting process in the 2020 election. The timing on all of it alone is suspicious.

Uh, what are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with what I wrote.

If you read the Waco Kid's post, in its entirety, and this, you'll probably be hard pressed to come up with a better guess than mine.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...sing-sequences

Please note the Chinese researchers maintained there was no animal DNA in swabs from the Wuhan market.

The French researcher randomly came across the genetic sequences identified from the swabs on the GISAID virology database. She got lucky.

The Chinese researchers may have posted the sequences as part of the process of getting their paper published in a journal.

The sequences were removed from the GISAID database at the request of the Chinese researchers, after the French woman found the animal DNA.

The Chinese government has maintained that COVID did not come from a live-animal market, and that COVID actually came from outside China.

The existence of animal DNA in the swabs does not negate the laboratory origin theory. Humans could have infected the animals. Or, a less likely explanation according to TWK's article, the DNA of infected humans and uninfected animals could have become jumbled.

All this points to a Chinese coverup.

FYI, I have no idea whether SARS-CoV-2 was initially transmitted from a bat to a human. Or from a bat to another animal to a human. Or collected from a bat cave by people working at the Wuhan laboratory, and then released through a lab leak, with or without gain of function research.

But I know those are all a lot more likely than your apparent explanation, that this was the result of a plot by the Chinese and Democrats working together, to nuke Trump in the 2020 election through a pandemic and fraudulent mail in ballots. That explanation is even less likely than Why_Yes_I_Do's hypothesis, that this all started when a bat shit into a bowl of soup.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

We were discussing that in another thread -

https://www.eccie.net/showthread.php...post1063137734

My guess is that the Chinese government is responsible for that being taken down, because they want to suppress any evidence that COVID may have come from the Wuhan market. They'd like to say COVID originated outside of China, ideally in a U.S. military lab.

my guess is that your guess is correct. who has the most to gain by suppressing evidence that might counter claims the covid virus originated in China? China.


at various times China has claimed that US Military personnel brought covid to China via a Military Olympic games held in October 2019 and that covid actually started in Italy in late 2019 ignoring the fact that the Italian fashion industry has been "pimped out" to Chinese contract workers in Italy. Gucci .. "Made in Italy .. by Chinese labor". they also claimed tainted food from the US was responsible. "Bat Soup" anyone?


China knowingly allowed their workers to travel to Italy for these jobs and elsewhere along with allowing international travel while also knowing there was an outbreak in Wuhan. up to 3 months passed before China made this public.

Originally Posted by Tiny

Uh, what are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with what I wrote.

If you read the Waco Kid's post, in its entirety, and this, you'll probably be hard pressed to come up with a better guess than mine.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...sing-sequences

Please note the Chinese researchers maintained there was no animal DNA in swabs from the Wuhan market.

The French researcher randomly came across the genetic sequences identified from the swabs on the GISAID virology database. She got lucky.

The Chinese researchers may have posted the sequences as part of the process of getting their paper published in a journal.

The sequences were removed from the GISAID database at the request of the Chinese researchers, after the French woman found the animal DNA.

The Chinese government has maintained that COVID did not come from a live-animal market, and that COVID actually came from outside China.

The existence of animal DNA in the swabs does not negate the laboratory origin theory. Humans could have infected the animals. Or, a less likely explanation according to TWK's article, the DNA of infected humans and uninfected animals could have become jumbled.

All this points to a Chinese coverup.

FYI, I have no idea whether SARS-CoV-2 was initially transmitted from a bat to a human. Or from a bat to another animal to a human. Or collected from a bat cave by people working at the Wuhan laboratory, and then released through a lab leak, with or without gain of function research.

But I know those are all a lot more likely than your apparent explanation, that this was the result of a plot by the Chinese and Democrats working together, to nuke Trump in the 2020 election through a pandemic and fraudulent mail in ballots. That explanation is even less likely than Why_Yes_I_Do's hypothesis, that this all started when a bat shit into a bowl of soup.

bahahahahaaaaaaa

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

bahahahahaaaaaaa

So that's how they did it. The Chinese bastards bought out Campbell's soup and used it to start a pandemic!

I have to give Why_Yes_I_Do credit for the "bat shit in soup" COVID origin theory.

Btw, there's a fungus in bat shit that actually causes a disease in humans, histoplasmosis.

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by Tiny

Uh, what are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with what I wrote.

If you read the Waco Kid's post, in its entirety, and this, you'll probably be hard pressed to come up with a better guess than mine.

https://www.science.org/content/arti...sing-sequences

Please note the Chinese researchers maintained there was no animal DNA in swabs from the Wuhan market.

The French researcher randomly came across the genetic sequences identified from the swabs on the GISAID virology database. She got lucky.

indeed she did. and it's not "suspicious" at all that once she made her findings public the data "disappeared" .bhahahhaaaaa


The Chinese researchers may have posted the sequences as part of the process of getting their paper published in a journal.

The sequences were removed from the GISAID database at the request of the Chinese researchers, after the French woman found the animal DNA.

The Chinese government has maintained that COVID did not come from a live-animal market, and that COVID actually came from outside China.

The existence of animal DNA in the swabs does not negate the laboratory origin theory. Humans could have infected the animals. Or, a less likely explanation according to TWK's article, the DNA of infected humans and uninfected animals could have become jumbled.

All this points to a Chinese coverup.

ya think?? lol. well there's at least two of us! more actually i'd say upwards of 10 posters have made that claim.

FYI, I have no idea whether SARS-CoV-2 was initially transmitted from a bat to a human. Or from a bat to another animal to a human. Or collected from a bat cave by people working at the Wuhan laboratory, and then released through a lab leak, with or without gain of function research.

But I know those are all a lot more likely than your apparent explanation, that this was the result of a plot by the Chinese and Democrats working together, to nuke Trump in the 2020 election through a pandemic and fraudulent mail in ballots. That explanation is even less likely than Why_Yes_I_Do's hypothesis, that this all started when a bat shit into a bowl of soup.

there is another possible cause. and this is the Hong Kong riots. they were not abating no matter what the Chinese Government tried. the Chinese were massing troops across the border in Shenzhen and the US had it all on satellite photos. the Chinese did not want to send in troops but it was coming down to exactly that. and the world would know even if the average Chinese would be blocked by "The Great Firewall" in China.



is it too radical to contend as some Chinese scientists have only to be ridiculed by the powers that be that the Chinese Military whipped up covid in the Wuhan lab to be intentionally released in Hong Kong to suppress the riots? that claim has been made. and that it worked but got out of control and thus spread across the world.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by The_Waco_Kid

there is another possible cause. and this is the Hong Kong riots. they were not abating no matter what the Chinese Government tried. the Chinese were massing troops across the border in Shenzhen and the US had it all on satellite photos. the Chinese did not want to send in troops but it was coming down to exactly that. and the world would know even if the average Chinese would be blocked by "The Great Firewall" in China.



is it too radical to contend as some Chinese scientists have only to be ridiculed by the powers that be that the Chinese Military whipped up covid in the Wuhan lab to be intentionally released in Hong Kong to suppress the riots? that claim has been made. and that it worked but got out of control and thus spread across the world.

One of the world's top virologists and a strong proponent of the natural origin of COVID came out with a paper in the first half of 2020, that I'm too lazy to look up. He basically said you could tell from the backbone of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that it probably wasn't designed, because the backbone didn't resemble others that virologists commonly use when creating new viruses. However, that left open the possibility that maybe someone set out to intentionally hide that the virus was engineered. Which presumably would be the case if you were creating a bioweapon.

I'd think the possibility the virus was created by the Chinese as a possible weapon though would be remote. If that were the case, you'd think they wouldn't have unleashed it first on themselves. What would be the sense in doing that intentionally? And you'd think they'd be careful enough with a bioweapon not to have an accident.

There's plenty of blame regardless of how this arose. Some very bad bugs have come out of China:

https://www.wionews.com/photos/7-kil...undated-311134

Still they have wet markets and conditions that promote bird flu.

If you assume they weren't developing a bioweapon, I don't know what reflects worse on China - natural origin or gain-of-function research and a lab leak. Either way there are probably things the Chinese could have done that would have averted a pandemic.