Political Discussion thread

[Doove]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

that chart is only the adds, not the losses

Do you not know what the term "growth" means?

[drluv1]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

another lame argument posed, is blaming the former presidents like Reagan for what we have today, like its all his fault. If you want to blame, I will blame Carter. Look at the mess he inherited from Carter. double digit inflation, and energy crisis, high unemployment. Reagan greatly improved america, and one could say that the clinton's surplus was the benefit of reagan's supply side economics coming to fruition.
Oh yea, for rural people, the grain embargo, which was an carter attempt to get russia out of afghanistan, at the expense of the farmer. The farmers never signed up to fight that battle, which is why fully support our military. Our military is full of brave who signed up to defend freedom.
I support federal spending to get people working, this is Roosevelt ideal. I do not support federal spending to keep people home, or other entitlement. I know several people who say they are better unemployed than working.

Clinton raised taxes and worked with congress to control spending, that's why he balanced the budget. Reagan said he was going to cut taxes and balance the budget and he never even came close. I don't recall reagan saying his tax cuts were going to balance the budget in 15yrs, he said it would happen within his term. He did inherit a recession from carter, but even carter didn't increase the debt by nearly as much as reagan.
You said you support spending to put people back to work, That's what obama has been trying to do for 4 years, but congress has been fixated on him being a one term president.

[drluv1]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

that chart is only the adds, not the losses

I think you need to go back to graph reading school.

[montana1958]

Originally Posted by drluv1

The improving ecoonomy is already reducing the deficit, Didn't you consider that in your " analysis" of our budgetary woes.

ROTFLMAO


We can discuss what Clinton did was because the republicans forced welfare reform and budgetary cuts and how Democratic spending during the Bush years raised the deficit all day long. But in these two cases Clinton was credited with doing a great thing even though Republicans had a big part in his success and how Bush took all the blame for overspending. I know I know he signed off on everything with an actual budget so he was totally responsible for his weakness in not following conservative fiscal responsibility policy. And this has led to all the we can't go back to the Bush years rhetoric. It's all a bunch of crap. Obama said he created 5 million jobs.........Bulls@!&. Romney said he was going to create 14 million jobs...... bull@!& again. Other than hiring more IRS employees to make sure we all pay the Obama care taxes, gov't is not responsible for people getting hired. Economic recessions come and go. Look back in history and you will see a record of market corrections going way back. What happened in 2007 was a worldwide recession which affected our economy combined with a housing market correction in our country that caused all the economic ammo Democrats needed for Obama to win in 2008. But the reason for the recession it was argued was it happened because of W's overspending. His deficits were horrible but not the reason. Fast forward to 2009 and the Obama stimulus plan. I have argued that there was some spending put into our economy but the majority of spending went to unions and states to support unions pensions and their security. So these claims of Obama creating 5 million jobs. Again bull!s@&. I believe his stimulus plan did nothing substantial for this country. His hope for change was an economic recession rebound like had happened so many times before. Reagan, Clinton and sorry everyone even W. experienced this and why not for Obama. Limited Govt regulations help but more can and have stifled growth in the past and that is a major reason for our continued downturn during the last 4 years. A perfect example was after the hurricane that just hit NYC/New Jersey.The administration suspended several regulations to ease the hassles of delivering fuel and other clean-up activities. It just points out how Govt can get in the way of our existence. This country will come back despite the government roadblocks put in place. It may take longer now and we may see longer lines or poorer service due to less employees and you may see more people being forced to part time work vs full time but I for one believe in the free market model in this country. Jobs will return but it won’t be from anything our political leaders have done. I may not be in the 1 percent but I would sure love to be.

[jokacz]

[montana1958]

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[Doove]

Originally Posted by lostforkate

that chart is only the adds, not the losses

Originally Posted by montana1958

We can discuss what Clinton did was because the republicans forced welfare reform and budgetary cuts and how Democratic spending during the Bush years raised the deficit all day long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1chQEFIPtk

Relevant quote at 0:14 mark.

[GP]

I can see the problem now. doove is getting his news from Comedy Central.

[montana1958]

Originally Posted by GP

I can see the problem now. doove is getting his news from Comedy Central.

I don't know. I bought the polling reasoning hook line and sinker.

That was funny doove.

But now to be serious and again I will attack the media, where is the hurricain damage coverage 10 days after. All you see on the news is how great everything is going but the people still in trouble don't see it that way. 4 hour gas lines, no food, no power. Come on media. 10 days after Katrina Bush was blamed for everything. No matter what was going on and improving it was 100 % blame Bush. It would be nice to see similar reporting when warrented.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by montana1958

Come on media. 10 days after Katrina Bush was blamed for everything. No matter what was going on and improving it was 100 % blame Bush. It would be nice to see similar reporting when warrented.

Oh please. As if Bush was blamed for no power or food 10 days after every hurricane that happened during his terms in office.

He was blamed for a lousy response because 1500 people died.

And because of incompetent actions like this, per Wikipedia:

In a September 26, 2005 hearing, former FEMA chief Michael Brown testified before a U.S. House subcommittee about FEMA's response. During that hearing, Representative Stephen Buyer (R-IN) inquired as to why President Bush's declaration of state of emergency of August 27 had not included the coastal parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines.[20] (In fact, the declaration did not include any of Louisiana's coastal parishes, whereas the coastal counties were included in the declarations for Mississippi[21] and Alabama.[22]) Brown testified that this was because Louisiana Governor Blanco had not included those parishes in her initial request for aid, a decision that he found "shocking." After the hearing, Blanco released a copy of her letter, which showed she had requested assistance for "all the southeastern parishes including the City of New Orleans" as well specifically naming 14 parishes including Jefferson, Orleans and Plaquemines.

[GP]

Sounds like he said she said. Who should we believe?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by GP

Sounds like he said she said. Who should we believe?

The guys who told us Romney was going to win in a landslide.

Obviously.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Doove

The guys who told us Romney was going to win in a landslide.

Obviously.

I'm surprised you didn't say we are supposed to listen to you.

[Guest121613]

i would like to know someone who is better off than they 4 years ago, measure your income, measure your expenses to live. The average american house hold has lost 4 percent earning income since Obama.

2011 $50,054
2010 $50,831
2009 $52,195
2008 $52,546

[Guest121613]

also, the meager job creation charter has better correlation to a republican congress.

Problem is we need 5 million jobs.