Mass Shooting in Orlando

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

not sure why you take this odd interpretation.. I posted that to say "here we go again, why don't we take action"? you really appear to be argumentive for its own sake.

yes, electing Trump is a good start.. what's your solution? nothing.. nihilism.

Chung Tran.. Trump
Luke Wyatt.. Gary Johnson

we will Mule-fuck out each other's vote.

Fixed it 4 ya.

[Chung Tran]

Ha! ok. of course Johnson has zero chance, and if he was a major party candidate, his marital status would probably disqualify him.. a Fiancee for 7 years?? and his/their excuse is that he travels too much for them to find the time to marry?

I don't give a rats ass what people do, but why not be honest? he's the Libertarian candidate, why not act like it and admit co-habitation is his choice?

he was formerly a Republican.. sounds like he hasn't made the full transition just yet.

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

Ha! ok. of course Johnson has zero chance, and if he was a major party candidate, his marital status would probably disqualify him.. a Fiancee for 7 years?? and his/their excuse is that he travels too much for them to find the time to marry?

I don't give a rats ass what people do, but why not be honest? he's the Libertarian candidate, why not act like it and admit co-habitation is his choice?

he was formerly a Republican.. sounds like he hasn't made the full transition just yet.

Well if you listen to what many of the "experts" stated Trump has very little chance of beating Hilary. Unlike you I go with my heart and I don't follow the sheep like apparently you have- you can't even tell me what Trump has done to make him qualified to be POTUS. As much as I can't stand Hillary- she's by far more qualified than Trump.
Amazing, you mention Johnson's marital status when Trump has been married 3 times- one of his marriages he had a mistress whome he later married- remember Marla???? You are really digging a hole if you think Trump is some model husband. he's current wife- although she speaks multiple languages- her english is horrible- can't wait for the cluster fuck gOP convention when she talks- should be a good laugh. Do you want a first lady who can barely speak english and has posed semi nude- what a way to represent America.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Unlike you I go with my heart and I don't follow the sheep like apparently you have- you can't even tell me what Trump has done to make him qualified to be POTUS. As much as I can't stand Hillary- she's by far more qualified than Trump.
Do you want a first lady who can barely speak english and has posed semi nude-

why do you not afford me the allowance to pick Trump with my heart? I didn't accuse you of that with Johnson.

35 years old, natural born US citizen.

yes

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

Slow down one at a time - first please quote the reference where rape is legal in Islam?

Go read Sharia law. Rape is allowed. Women are seen as less than human in Islam. Go read the stories of women who were raped and the men who raped them got away, scotch free. Go read the Koran. Stop trying to think that somehow all religions are equal. I have proven this, time and time again.

Are you referring to perhaps Isis raping women ? You do know ISIS is not a recognized government they are a bunch of radical idiots. In Islam if a man rapes a woman he is sentenced to death.

No, I'm talking about countries like Qutar, Saudi Arabia and others where women are legally raped and the men don't face anything. I'm talking about the fact that women are raped, then murdered because they are seen as "impure." This is an ac t ual thing. This is not an ISIS thing. This is an ISLAM thing.

You also mentioned in Islam a woman is less than a male - do you realize that holds true in Christianity and Judaism ?

No, they weren't. Christianity and Judaism - especially the former - didn't view women as a bargaining chip in order to improve one's family status or to get rid of debt, the way Islam and Sharia allow. You don't know anything.

You do not know your own bible.

And you lack reading comprehension, as we have covered this so many times before.

Does your bible not say God gave man dominion of the woman and even in your New Testament it says very clearly that woman are to be submissive to their man.

God didn't give man dominion over woman at all. God created woman and saw them as equals, however not the same. It's society. It's called patriarchy, the man is typically the bread winner of the house and is seen as the head figure, whereas, the mother is the person who nurtures the family. This has nothing to do with religion, this is human nature. Are you a male feminist now? lol.

Can you name me one female priest ? In 99 percent of the Christian domination women are not allowed to hold top positions simply because of their gender.

And what does that have to do with women in Muslim countries who get their genitals mutilated and are raped in the street? Or forced into marriage without their consent? Or not allowed to walk the streets without a man approving? Or not being able to get a job? You think it's a great injustice for women to not be the head pastor of a church, but don't even bother acknowledging how fucked up women are treated in the middle east? Are you really trying to create a moral equivalency here? Didn't think so. Move on. You're arguing a losing point.

How many woman prophets were there in the bible ? Were any of the disciples women ? Were there any women that were Pharisees or Sadducees?

Who cares? No, really. who cares? In the middle east, women are being RAPED AND KILLED. And you're bitching about women in ancient times not being allowed to be top dog? LOL. Dude, you're REALLY stretching this out, huh?

How many women are heads of states in 2016? Until this year we have never had a woman President in this so called Christian nation of ours - you are a fool and I don't know what asian country you come from but I bet they never had a woman president. So don't act like woman being inferior to men is just in Islamic nations - hell didn't last year in 2015 there was a bill that will guarantee women equal pay as men and let's not forget it was voted down by the republicans.

Okay, male feminist. When are you going to address that women are being killed, which is a fate FAR WORSE than not holding high office?

What's funny is that you can't even acknowledge the true horrors. You, instead, choose first world problems to bitch about, even after I specifically told you what was genuinely worse!

As for equal pay : This was a dumbass bill. Women are ALREADY being paid the same as men, if not more. True story. Do you want to know where that gender gap actually comes from? Women's choices. They take less challenging jobs, work fewer hours, and take more time off. Go read the Beaureu of Labor Statistics. A women is far more likely to works as a secretary or a teacher than as an engineer, surgeon or computer programmer.

FACTS. YOU HAVE NONE.

But, again. None of this holds a single fucking candle to the fact that women are being raped, murdered and mutilated in Muslim countries. Do not try to conflate the two issues.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by andymarksman

When and where have I ever insinuated that you should "limit" your free speech "because someone else might start crying?" What I have learned from this and other deadly shooting rampages by bullied S. Korean conscripts from time to time is that contrary to your moronic belief, "words" do have consequences, more so to your "Asian brethren."

But unlike your pathetic attempts to shrug it off, they recognize exactly what must be done to curb gun violence.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28933724

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02...es-4-dead.html

Do you know how to stop gun violence? Start with the home unit. Raise your children right. Teach them proper values.

You want to know what else curbs gun violence? When there are more people with guns to stop a maniac with a gun.

The reality is, evil shit happens. That is not something that can ever fucking be stopped. The only thing you can do is kill it. That's it.

It's really not that hard to understand.

You don't understand anything, liberal.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by andymarksman

Please stop acting like an idiot. Why don't you tell Trump to withdraw from Saudi Arabia since he wants nothing to do with the Muslims? But he can't, and that alone proves beyond dispute what a miserable hypocrite he is.

He never said he wanted nothing to do with Muslims. He said he wants to stop Muslim immigration. As in, adding more Muslims to the United States population without proper vetting. This really isn't a hard concept to understand, is it? It's simple math.

Oh, "there's nothing about an endorsement in there"..., "that's not a bad idea"..., from David Duke.

Except he didn't. OTOH, Clinton is chummy with actual KKK support.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by andymarksman

I have never argued those two "business transactions" were "wrong deals," haven't I?

You're arguing over Trump's morality for working with a Saudi Prince. Morality has nothing to do with business. Trump wanted/needed money and he had something that the prince wanted. A mutually agreed transaction took place.

Compare this to Hillary, who takes donations from Muslims who go around raping and killing women, then act like she is the champion of the X-chromosome. It's beyond hypocrisy. Not to mention, the influence she buys, the political favors she buys and the fact that these decisions put AMERICAN LIVES at risk.

Yeah, it's easy to see why Hillary truly is fucking crooked.

Oh yes, someone did "convince" me to give him "100 dollars for a stick of gum" that I "wanted." That "transaction" took place on a Thanksgiving morning....

And?

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

May I ask were you born here? Either you were born here and your parents were not- highly unlike that you and your parents were both born here. It's really funny to here an Asian say MY country as if you were born here or your race played an important role in the development of this country. The first asian immigrants from either China or Japan didn't happen to near the end of 19th century- you guys missed a lot of American history. Trust me groups like KKK, and Neo-Nazi groups do not consider you part of american culture -they group you in the same class as how they view blacks, latinos, gays and any other non white race- if you don't believe me try joining the KKK- in other words stop acting like you and your people have deep roots in America- you are no different from a middle easterner - remember your roots are in asia- don't forget that pal.

(yaaaaaaaaaaaawn)

This is my country. I was born here, I work here. I live here, I pay taxes here. I donate to American charities and I contribute to American society.

Funny how you tried to make this a race thing. And you call ME a racist! LMAO!

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

and he continued that same line even after you posted this, LOL.. all I get out of him is the impression that he is a Nihilist, and the world's problems are not solvable.. he keeps coming back to that tired line that terrorism can not be COMPLETELY stopped.. no kidding.

and no solutions, just nihilism.

No, he's not a nihilist. That's just a straw man he's trying to attack because he knows you're right and he is hilariously and completely wrong.

It's funny that he's trying to take this male feminist route now with me to try and somehow create a moral equivalency between women getting rape and murdered to women not being able to hold top office or positions. Funny, there are numerous CEOs who are female, we have a female attorney general (even though she is shit), multiple female governers and even female leaders of various countries. I guess he conveniently missed that memo.

Maybe he's trying to fight the evils of the PATRIARCHY!

He is a loser. He has been revealed time and time again to not know what he is talking about and I own him time and time again, which is why he needs straw man arguments to try and move the goal post. Those never work on me though. He's not smart enough and I'm too smart for that.

[Chung Tran]

Luke seems to fancy himself a History buff and a Feminist, so I'm curious what he has to say about this..

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...e-against-wwii

hopefully he will respond with something other than I hate women for having posted. something coherent. something substantive. something other than in the form of a question.. that's getting tiresome.

not crossing my fingers though.

[Barrymccockinner]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

if several people inside had guns on their person, surely one would have been behind or to the side of the bullet spray.. draw his weapon and relieve this Muslim of his sorry existence.

and save a lot of REAL Americans in the process..

This makes a lot of sense. Let's allow guns where people are drunk. We'd have dozens of deaths a weekend.

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Barrymccockinner

This makes a lot of sense. Let's allow guns where people are drunk. We'd have dozens of deaths a weekend.

It is illegal to get drunk while you are carrying. People can go somewhere and not drink.

[Luke_Wyatt]

Originally Posted by Aoi

Go read Sharia law. Rape is allowed. Women are seen as less than human in Islam. Go read the stories of women who were raped and the men who raped them got away, scotch free. Go read the Koran. Stop trying to think that somehow all religions are equal. I have proven this, time and time again.



No, I'm talking about countries like Qutar, Saudi Arabia and others where women are legally raped and the men don't face anything. I'm talking about the fact that women are raped, then murdered because they are seen as "impure." This is an ac t ual thing. This is not an ISIS thing. This is an ISLAM


No, they weren't. Christianity and Judaism - especially the former - didn't view women as a bargaining chip in order to improve one's family status or to get rid of debt, the way Islam and Sharia allow. You don't know anything.



And you lack reading comprehension, as we have covered this so many times before.



God didn't give man dominion over woman at all. God created woman and saw them as equals, however not the same. It's society. It's called patriarchy, the man is typically the bread winner of the house and is seen as the head figure, whereas, the mother is the person who nurtures the family. This has nothing to do with religion, this is human nature. Are you a male feminist now? lol.




And what does that have to do with women in Muslim countries who get their genitals mutilated and are raped in the street? Or forced into marriage without their consent? Or not allowed to walk the streets without a man approving? Or not being able to get a job? You think it's a great injustice for women to not be the head pastor of a church, but don't even bother acknowledging how fucked up women are treated in the middle east? Are you really trying to create a moral equivalency here? Didn't think so. Move on. You're arguing a losing point.




Who cares? No, really. who cares? In the middle east, women are being RAPED AND KILLED. And you're bitching about women in ancient times not being allowed to be top dog? LOL. Dude, you're REALLY stretching this out, huh?



Okay, male feminist. When are you going to address that women are being killed, which is a fate FAR WORSE than not holding high office?

What's funny is that you can't even acknowledge the true horrors. You, instead, choose first world problems to bitch about, even after I specifically told you what was genuinely worse!

As for equal pay : This was a dumbass bill. Women are ALREADY being paid the same as men, if not more. True story. Do you want to know where that gender gap actually comes from? Women's choices. They take less challenging jobs, work fewer hours, and take more time off. Go read the Beaureu of Labor Statistics. A women is far more likely to works as a secretary or a teacher than as an engineer, surgeon or computer programmer.

FACTS. YOU HAVE NONE.

But, again. None of this holds a single fucking candle to the fact that women are being raped, murdered and mutilated in Muslim countries. Do not try to conflate the two issues.

You have a lot to learn




Wives are to be loved, cherished and respected as a mans own body, a queen in his house

A woman is to reverence her husband and obey him in all things

The head of the woman is the man
The head of the man is God

Woman was created for man, not man for the woman

They are the weaker vessel, they are not allowed to speak or teach a man, but learn in silence from their husbands at home, NT, their long hair is thier glory, they are to have their head always veiled when they pray because of angels.

princess notes below:

It does not mean women are door mats or abused by their husbands or men, a princess and her king, princesses don't rule, good to be a princess, and good to have a loving king as her husband, husbands are not told to obey their princesses, but the princess obeys her husband or father before, this is all the Bible

Ruth was a woman of God and she was at Boaz's feet, she did not think to tell him how it would be, Ester came causiously even to see her husband, she was queen because the woman before lost her place and became an American woman, lol,

Acts 2:16-18

16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.

1 Corinthians 11
Propriety in Worship

2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.

3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. 11 In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

The scriptures used were Paul's thoughts, not the Lord's. And this had to do with conduct in the church, common sense in church behavior. Whether this scripture pertains to then or now?? Let the Spirit lead each one of us

[Aoi]

Originally Posted by Luke_Wyatt

You have a lot to learn




Wives are to be loved, cherished and respected as a mans own body, a queen in his house

A woman is to reverence her husband and obey him in all things

The head of the woman is the man
The head of the man is God

Woman was created for man, not man for the woman

They are the weaker vessel, they are not allowed to speak or teach a man, but learn in silence from their husbands at home, NT, their long hair is thier glory, they are to have their head always veiled when they pray because of angels.

princess notes below:

It does not mean women are door mats or abused by their husbands or men, a princess and her king, princesses don't rule, good to be a princess, and good to have a loving king as her husband, husbands are not told to obey their princesses, but the princess obeys her husband or father before, this is all the Bible

Ruth was a woman of God and she was at Boaz's feet, she did not think to tell him how it would be, Ester came causiously even to see her husband, she was queen because the woman before lost her place and became an American woman, lol,

Acts 2:16-18

16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.

1 Corinthians 11
Propriety in Worship

2 I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.

3 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6 If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head. 7 A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. 11 In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. 13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. 16 If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God.

The scriptures used were Paul's thoughts, not the Lord's. And this had to do with conduct in the church, common sense in church behavior. Whether this scripture pertains to then or now?? Let the Spirit lead each one of us

This... has to be the biggest red herring and straw man.. ever.

Go learn how to debate.