Please list/mention Obama's Accomplishments

[Budman]

You know Carl some conservatives have patroled the border and the libs went ape shit. I believe they were called the minuteman or something like that. Your other point that we are somehow demonizing all illegal aliens is absurd. But regardless of whether or not they are violent criminals is beside the point. They are here illegally and by definition criminals.

Before we talk about raising taxes we need to cut out all the goverment waste.

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by Budman

Thank you Carl. Now we can completely dismantle the Border Patrol and open our country to anybody that wants to walk in. Think of all the money we can save. Maybe not.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/293498

Budman, why did you post this idiotic article here?

"California, the sunshine state, holds the No. 1 place of any state in the union for the highest number of serial rapes and murders, sexual homicides, and child molestation offences committed by an illegal immigrant."

Well, duh! California has the largest illegal alien population in the nation, and it's not even close to the tune of twice as many as the next most alien populated state, Texas. I think we'd all be very shocked if they were talking about Washington State, but this is not the least bit informative, much less suprising.

"This study, done over a 12-month period, is the only in-depth study of its kind. It used a sample group of 1,500 cases out of a pool of roughly 12 million. The study revealed that 2 percent of all illegal immigrants apprehended in the United States are sex offenders. This 2 percent figure translates into 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders."

First and foremost, the numbers are completely and IMPOSSIBLY wrong. This is somewhat dated information from DOJ but it can't be far off:

"On a given day about 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault are under the care, custody, or control of corrections agencies. About 60% of these sex offenders are under conditional supervision in the community."

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/SOO.PDF

Read that again carefully, and you will quickly realize that having 240,000 illegal aliens sex offenders walking among us is completely impossible.

One of my personal favorite quotes:

"Nearly 35% were considered religious and even more, 59% had been raised in a religious home."

Maybe God is the real problem with these folks.

And finally, for those among us who are appartently OK with them doing whatever they want, so long as it's not within our borders or done to our citizens:

"Nearly 30% of the victims were illegal immigrants themselves.The remainder were U.S. citizens."

Gotta love Judith...

"Judith Gans, who studies immigration at the Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy at the University of Arizona, said that what social psychologists call self-serving perception bias seemed to be at play. Both sides in the immigration debate accept information that confirms their biases, she said, and discard, ignore or rationalize information that does not. There is no better example than the role of crime in Arizona’s tumultuous immigration debate.

“If an illegal immigrant commits a crime, this confirms our view that illegal immigrants are criminals,” Ms. Gans said. “If an illegal immigrant doesn’t commit a crime, either they just didn’t get caught or it’s a fluke of the situation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/us/20crime.html

[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by Budman

They are here illegally and by definition criminals.

WRONG! Crossing the border illegally is considered a criminal act, simply being here undocumented is technically a civil offense, not a criminal one. This is why you can't be arrested for it. Arizona however has attempted to make it a criminal act of trespassing.

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Budman

You know Carl some conservatives have patroled the border and the libs went ape shit. I believe they were called the minuteman or something like that. Your other point that we are somehow demonizing all illegal aliens is absurd. But regardless of whether or not they are violent criminals is beside the point. They are here illegally and by definition criminals.

Before we talk about raising taxes we need to cut out all the goverment waste.

Well, since there is no Constitutional mandate for the Border Patrol, please explain why it is, technically, not waste. You may approve of it and it may serve a function that you support, but it's not Constitutionally mandated. Just as the left agrees with and supports certain entitlements that are not Constitutionally mandated which those on the right call wastes.

Both sides seem to want their way only and argue and piss and moan and fight against any compromise. The hard core Tea Party faithful in Congress refused to accept the closing of tax loopholes, for Pete's sake. Loopholes! You know, those paradoxical situations which allow violating the spirit of a law without violating the technical letter of the law. I'll grant you that closing them would have had more value as a negotiating tool/symbol of compromise than sharply reducing the deficit. But how can compromise exist if it cannot even begin? Do you consider closing tax loopholes to be the same thing as raising taxes?

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

Oh come on Carl, Lets just turn the USA as the next Australia. Our new ad should be bring all your criminals here we will welcome them with open arms we are illegal immigrant friendly. So send us all you rapist,murderers, and thieves. USA keeping our citizens lives at stake while making a home for the ones you do not want.

I am all for immigrants coming here in search of a better life as long as they do it legally. There needs to be a system in place that is more efficient for this. Teach them all how to speak the native tongue as well.

I assume that you are aware that:
#1 Australia was specifically started as a penal colony and the criminals did not illegally immigrate there, but were banished and sentenced there.
#2 That there is an old joke that the Devil owns Hell and Texas, but he decided to rent out Texas and live in Hell.
#3 Some of the hottest women in the world today come from Australia.
#4 It's legal in Texas to shoot-to-kill someone to protect your life and property as well as those of another.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.html
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hor...ng_controversy

You're a good ol' boy, ain't ya, buddy?

Unless of course you've been convicted of a felony and can't legally buy a weapon, let alone get a concealed carry permit. In which case I can understand the depth of your trepidation.

[WyldemanATX]

Originally Posted by Carl

I assume that you are aware that:
#1 Australia was specifically started as a penal colony and the criminals did not illegally immigrate there, but were banished and sentenced there.
#2 That there is an old joke that the Devil owns Hell and Texas, but he decided to rent out Texas and live in Hell.
#3 Some of the hottest women in the world today come from Australia.
#4 It's legal in Texas to shoot-to-kill someone to protect your life and property as well as those of another.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.html
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hor...ng_controversy

You're a good ol' boy, ain't ya, buddy?

Unless of course you've been convicted of a felony and can't legally buy a weapon, let alone get a concealed carry permit. In which case I can understand the depth of your trepidation.

I do own a few guns not a bad shot either. I have no desire to have a concealed to carry permit. No felonies...I am a lover not a fighter. I only use violence as a last resort and when I feel like I have no other choice. Good ol' boy if you mean I take up for people who need help and truly believe there is good in everyone. Then yes I am a good ol' boy.

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

I do own a few guns not a bad shot either. I have no desire to have a concealed to carry permit. No felonies...I am a lover not a fighter. I only use violence as a last resort and when I feel like I have no other choice. Good ol' boy if you mean I take up for people who need help and truly believe there is good in everyone. Then yes I am a good ol' boy.

You do your momma proud.

And there is no sarcasm intended there. Everything you stated is well, good and honorable.

[WyldemanATX]

Originally Posted by Carl

You do your momma proud.

OK, Thanks a lot that means so much coming from you Carl.

[Carl]

Originally Posted by Wyldeman30

OK, Thanks a lot that means so much coming from you Carl.

I do try to be a reasonable voice. "Try" being the operative word.

[DTorrchia]

Originally Posted by Carl

I assume that you are aware that:
#1 Australia was specifically started as a penal colony and the criminals did not illegally immigrate there, but were banished and sentenced there.
#2 That there is an old joke that the Devil owns Hell and Texas, but he decided to rent out Texas and live in Hell.
#3 Some of the hottest women in the world today come from Australia.
#4 It's legal in Texas to shoot-to-kill someone to protect your life and property as well as those of another.

http://law.onecle.com/texas/penal/9.42.00.html
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Hor...ng_controversy

You're a good ol' boy, ain't ya, buddy?

Unless of course you've been convicted of a felony and can't legally buy a weapon, let alone get a concealed carry permit. In which case I can understand the depth of your trepidation.

Yes in Texas you CAN use deadly force to protect your life and property. However, these days, if the Federal Government chooses to come after you for doing so, good luck!
I'm not sure if Texas has had a test case yet or not of a property owner using deadly force to prevent trespass on his property by illegals. I do know there has been in Arizona.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=89295
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...izona-rancher/

So if the U.S. Government allows illegals to sue an American citizen for detaining them at gunpoint after they trespassed on his property, what do you think they'd do to someone that actually used deadly force?
I'm pretty sure that person would be looking at a Federal Civil Rights violation case.

I for one have never claimed all illegals are bad. My point has always been that we have enough crime, national debt etc with the population we have. We certainly don't need thousands of more criminals pouring across our border and millions more putting a strain on our system.

I'm all for legal immigration. As I've stated, my mother immigrated here legally, so did my wife. Why should millions of illegal immigrants get a free ride and law abiding immigrants have to wait their turn, pay a couple thousand in fees and go through all the red tape that legal immigration currently entails? How is that right? How is that a way to run ANY program?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

I'm all for legal immigration. As I've stated, my mother immigrated here legally, so did my wife.

+1

I'm ready to reconsider deadly force!

[WyldemanATX]

Maybe we should model Switzerland immigration policy.

[DTorrchia]

Originally Posted by F-Sharp

Who said I was joking?

We'll get to that at the end of this post.



Mind explaning what's relevant about hearsay and meaningless bullshit from some imaginary APD detective? Where's your source? What parts of the city? If a part of the city is primarily made up of illegal aliens it's expected that a larger percentage of crime would be committed by them. You wouldn't expect a high portion of crime being committed by whites in a predominately black neighborhood would you genius? Either present your source or...shut the fuck up, because no one cares about your unfounded opinions, conjecture, hearsay, or some imaginary detective.

No, let's correct that statement. YOU may not care but I seriously doubt you speak for the entire Eccie membership. I've presented you with the facts, you simply choose to ignore them. I don't have to "convince" you of a damn thing. Live in your little bubble my friend, I'm sure it's nice and comfy in there.



I don't particularly care which subject, just that you pick one instead of changing topics, locations, and scope every time you post.



I didn't say lying, I said skewing, in an effort to support a racist agenda. Your link made the following statement:

"The Arizona Department of Corrections reported in 2010 that illegal immigrants are over-represented in the state's prison population."

Fine, no one here has ever doubted this. As previously stated, Arizona is one of three states where 80% of all illegal alien arrests are currently taking place. This, along with the addition of further crackdown it's perfectly expected. What I take issue with is this:

"In June 2010, illegal immigrants represented 14.8 percent of Arizona state prisoners, but accounted for 7 percent of the state's overall population according to the Department of Homeland Security."

Now, I realize you're math and statistics challenged, but try and keep up here.

In 2010, per your link the state prison population made up of illegal aliens was 5,983. According to this link, Arizona's prison population only increased by 2.4% from 2008 - 2009, and essentially tapered off and remained relatively flat from 2009 - present. At the same time the prison population was rising, the number of illegal aliens in Arizona was falling from 560,000 - 375,000.

So, the real change wasn't an increase in the state's alien prisoner population as much as it was a decrease in the states overall alien population. This is even further exacerbated by the fact that the change in prison population is largely a result of a series of changes in state law and policy such as mandatory sentencing, longer prison terms, and restrictions on release and the abolition of parole. All these things add up to longer prison sentences. Even a math and statistics challenged imbecile such as yourself can appreciate the effective propaganda created by such skewing. That is unless of course you care to explain how a measly 2.4% (971 prisoners) increase in the prison population over the last 5 years amounted to 2.2% increase in the change of the state's alien prisoner to overall population while 17% of the alien population of Arizona left the state.

Why the f*ck would I even bother to re-visit this with you? This is specifically why I also gave you the numbers for 2004!!!!! So for you now to argue again about why the 2010 numbers are wrong, dumb*ss the numbers in 2004 showed illegals were incarcerated at a higher % than their population so quit already with numbers game. You want it both ways. On one hand when I show the numbers to you, you come up with...."oh, well that's to be expected, it's a "border state". Then you turn right around and start talking about why the numbers are "skewed" because of longer incarceration rates?
Anyone can see you're simply grasping at straws now.
Incidentally genius, that 5,983 total state alien prisoner make-up only represents 1.5% of their total numbers in the state currently, and 9/1000ths of one percent of the total population. Again, one of three states where 80% of all alien arrests are taking place.



"3 times"? Where the fuck are you getting this number exactly? Nothing you've posted so far other than your imaginary friend hearsay even comes close this number. Stop making shit up and try a little 5th grade math.

"According to the nonpartisan Immigration Policy Institute, proponents of the bill "overlook two salient points: Crime rates have already been falling in Arizona for years despite the presence of unauthorized immigrants, and a century's worth of research has demonstrated that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes or be behind bars than the native-born."

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-04-29/j...aw?_s=PM:CRIME

Idiot.

"He said Phoenix has been dealing with the issue for several years now, and the number of reported kidnappings have actually decreased since this story broke in 2009. There were 358 reported kidnappings in 2008 (10 fewer than reported by the LA Times, due to later reclassification of the crimes), 318 in 2009 and there were 105 from January through May 2010, he said, putting the city on track to sustain less than 300 this year."

"Mindful that "spillover violence" from Mexico has become a politically-charged term in the U.S., Thompson said almost everyone who is kidnapped in Phoenix is involved in criminal activities such as illegal border crossings and the drug trade. "Unless you're involved in the dope trade, there's a very very slim chance" that you'll be kidnapped, he said."

LOL, I get it. So NOW you're saying, well it's mostly illegal on illegal crime or doper on doper crime so it's OK for that to go on in our Country? Because we know, these idiots who commit these crimes they never get the wrong house, wrong person, never miss when they shoot and hit an innocent bystander etc etc. Your ignorance is astounding my friend! The fact that they are bringing in TONS of drugs into our country doesn't concern you, nor apparently any associated violence that comes with it. I've noticed a theme with you. If illegals are committing crimes while on the border, in a border state or it's drug related crime, somehow that shouldn't count? I mean, hey, if a Rancher gets killed by DRUG CARRYING illegal aliens, that has nothing to do with them being in the country illegally. In other words, had they been stopped BEFORE entering the country with their drugs and trespassing on his property it would not have prevented him from being killed? Ok, if you say so Slick!
It's committed on our soil you idiot, in our cities, in our communities and in our neighborhoods by illegals who should have been stopped before they got in. Get it???!!!

http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...-capital-worl/

Not at all, considering that those figures are almost entirely related to the drug trade of a border state as stated above, and have have absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration in this country as a whole. Again, stop confusing border violence and drug trafficking with illegal aliens. They are two completley different issues with two completely different solutions.

Case in point. See above paragraph why we completely disagree on this.

I am seriously beginning to think you might be the love child of some ecstacy and viagra induced night of passion between Jan Brewer and Russell Pearce.



Very good question my math challenged little friend. Well, let's see:

Hispanic population of the U.S. : 16.3% or 50,325,523 if you prefer

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Illegal alien population of the U.S. : 3% or 11 million if you prefer

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7107XV20110201

Portion of illegals that are hispanic : 55% or 6,050,000

http://immigration.procon.org/view.r...=000845#graphs

Percentage of hispanics / illegals : 12% or 1:8 if you prefer

Statistics showing illegals commit far less crime than their native born counterparts:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/irb/irb_june2010.pdf

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may...crime-20100503

http://reason.com/archives/2009/07/0...l-paso-miracle

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/ar...n-lower-crime/

Based on what we know for certain, there's a little guess work, but if only 1 in 8 hispanics are here illegally, and illegals are only committing less than half of the crime as their native legal counterparts, then 6% is a pretty safe bet, slightly in your favor I might add.

Let's see how it adds up shall we?

900,000 estimated gang members in the United States

We'll assume 1 of every 16 of those gang members are illegal or 6%.

900,000 * .06 = 54,000

So that leaves and additional 13,900 disitributed amongst the far lesser gangs consisiting of negligible numbers across the United States.

Again, the rest of your argument is nothing but conjecture and unsubstantiated bullshit, guess I will leave it at that.

Conjecture?????? So instead of using actual gang membership numbers, you're now going off of information about what some writer in the LA Times or in a magazine is saying about how many crimes are committed by illegals compared to their counterparts that are born here????
What kind of weak ass argument is that?
Your 1 out of 16 gang members being illegal is once again simply pulled out of your ass. You have NO proof to back that up with.
Don't go by population, go by the number of known Hispanic gangs in the United States and then provide me with a factual statistic from a credible source detailing what the percentage of illegal aliens is in those gangs. If you can't do that, then...to use one of your favorite sayings...SHUT THE FUCK UP!! You don't get to just pull numbers out of your ass with me by going off of generic population numbers and then guessing how many illegals (1 in 16 according to you) there are.
Talk about "conjecture"!!!!


Yes to both and the former is one of my specialties in fact. Apparently NOT!
Given your responses thus far it's becomming more and more obvious you haven't.



You know exactly what I meant, and playing a semantics game with me isn't going to make you look like less of an idiot.

Ahhh, so when I point out just how retarded a statement you made by saying..."Krentz was killed by Drug Mules not illegal aliens"
then I'm playing "semantics"??? LOL, got cha! Right on brother!

For sake of clarity, the point I made is this. Enforcment of immigration specific laws and "cracking down" on illegal immigrants will do nothing to alleviate border crime and drug trafficking. SB1070 is a perfect example of misguided and irrational law that will make no difference what so ever in border crime. You tell me, does it make more sense to question someone's residency status, or question them as to why they are carrying 50lbs of weed and an AK47 around with them in the middle of the desert? Are you going to stop someone in a tunnel and ask them for proof of residency, or be more curious in the 5 kilos of cocaine they're dragging with them? There is a distinct difference between someone who has come here and overstayed their visa and someone shuffling cocaine across an underground tunnel. Even a moron such as yourself should be able to make that distinction.

Well let me tell you what this "moron" knows to be fact. Over 700,000 crimes are committed by illegal aliens in this country each year. Let's be specific, that number does NOT include simply violating federal immigration law. The 700,000 are CRIMINAL OFFENSES committed by Illegal Aliens in the 50 states across this nation. What I know is that SB1070 would have an impact on reducing those numbers. Cut and dried.




Conjecture, conjecture, unsubstantiated bullshit, and more conjecture. You should write a novel based on all this fiction, it would be a best-seller for certain. You know this how? You ADP detective friend again? Maybe you know some cartel folks personally and they were happy to give up their secrets to you?

Ok, let's just get this done with. I served on the Texas/Mexico border, in the Laredo sector, as a member of Task Force Guardian with the Texas National Guard. As such we worked in teams consisting of U.S. Border Patrol Agents, U.S. Customs Agents and Texas National Guard soldiers.
Our job was drug interdiction. We did it well.
So again, unlike YOU, I have actually put my ass on the line, or...as "Carl" has said in one of the posts following this one, I've worked in the heat of the Texas/Mexico border. Spoke to many illegals that tried to cross, with and without dope. So talk all the shit you want, but I've been there first hand, just as I've been to Iraq and Afghanistan, I've spent the last six years of my life in the latter where, once again I've observed the drug trade, up close and personal. So like I said, you think you're proving something because you manipulate numbers??!! For every freaking stat I give you, all you simply do is run out to liberal rags like the LA TIMES and try to find numbers to dispute mine. Numbers that will work better in your bullshit game of statistics. It's been my experience working on behalf of my country for the better part of 20 years in various functions that no statistic in the world will provide you with as accurate a picture as will good old fashioned "ground truth". The truth you see either as a member of the military, border patrol or police. When you work day in and day out dealing with the actual fall out of these problems, THEN you have an idea of the scope of what you're dealing with.
If my Conjecture, conjecture, unsubstantiated bullshit, and more conjecture is what you say it is, it's based on me doing the actual work, not reading the LA Times, Wikki Leaks, or hanging out at a bar with my fellow liberals lambasting what racists all Conservatives are. So basically what I'm saying is....Say what you want, but until you get the balls to stand up and actually DO something for your country or your community, then F*ck You!



Don't even think of trying to pull that self-righteous faux-patriotic shit with me. If crime was really your issue, then illegal aliens should be the least of your worries. You've already been shown how much less crime they are actually committing then any other culture/race we compared them to. If crime is really your issue then you'd be better served going after blacks first, legal hispanics second, whites third, and illegals last.

Already addressed above! Especially the "faux-patriotic shit" you worthless P*ssy!


That's exactly what I am saying. Considering that 99.99% of all illegals in this country are not committing any crime. You need to pay closer attention, that statistic was determined just a few posts back. The exact figure based on your figures was 3.5/100ths of one percent of all illegal aliens in this country are actually committing crime.



Yeah, more specifically in your case; propaganda, conjecture, unsubstantiated fairy tales, and complete bullshit.

Addressed above!



By who? Where? Three separate professional and academic studies have all been debunked "many times"? Does this include the one written by the Comptroller for the State of Texas? I'd like to see some of this debunking you claim.



Here's the corrected version:

Sorry, not buying into proven facts and statistics. In other words, when the numbers disprove unfounded opinion, let's just make shit up and ignore the numbers completely.



Again, who said I was joking? I'll be keeping my eye you for you Thursday pal.

Ahh, and now to my favorite part. I want to make sure we're on the same page. That's Hardtails in Georgetown, this coming Thursday (August 25th).
I want to make sure we don't miss each other. So, I'll be at the main bar, from 8-10pm. Wearing blue jeans, sneakers, black T-shirt with writing and old style red cross on back. I'm 6'0, 195 with short brown hair and blue eyes and a goatee. So, there should be absolutely NO reason why you shouldn't be able to locate me and come and introduce yourself. See you there.

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[F-Sharp]

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Why the f*ck would I even bother to re-visit this with you?

No idea. You're not even keeping your head above water at this point.

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

This is specifically why I also gave you the numbers for 2004!!!!! So for you now to argue again about why the 2010 numbers are wrong, dumb*ss the numbers in 2004 showed illegals were incarcerated at a higher % than their population so quit already with numbers game. You want it both ways. On one hand when I show the numbers to you, you come up with...."oh, well that's to be expected, it's a "border state". Then you turn right around and start talking about why the numbers are "skewed" because of longer incarceration rates?

You better go read what I posted a few more times, and perhaps keep a dictionary near by because you're not even close to understanding it. Comprehension friend, comprehension.

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

if a Rancher gets killed by DRUG CARRYING illegal aliens, that has nothing to do with them being in the country illegally.

EXACTLY! Now you're starting to catch on. The fact that they were in the country illegally is not relevant to the situation. Let's say they were here legally and killed the rancher, what the fuck difference would it make? You still have a dead rancher killed by DRUG DEALERS! The fact that those drug dealers had visas or not is simply not relevant.

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

Case in point. See above paragraph why we completely disagree on this.

You can disagree with it all you want, it's not going to make it less true.

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

So instead of using actual gang membership numbers, you're now going off of information about what some writer in the LA Times or in a magazine is saying about how many crimes are committed by illegals compared to their counterparts that are born here????

What the fuck are your talking about now? I used the EXACT numbers YOU posted dumbass. And here we go again with the "liberal" news sources. I guess if it doesn't come from your detective friend, it must not be true right?

How about Salon?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/04/10/geraldo

How about Richmond Times?

http://swdb.berkeley.edu/resources/C...eratesrise.htm

Cato Institute?

http://www.cato.org/pubs/irb/irb_june2010.pdf

Reason Magazine?

http://reason.com/archives/2009/07/0...l-paso-miracle

Originally Posted by DTorrchia

It's been my experience working on behalf of my country for the better part of 20 years in various functions that no statistic in the world will provide you with as accurate a picture as will good old fashioned "ground truth".

Yeah, it's that same old fashioned "ground truth" that has gotten innocent Afghani's murdered:

http://www.rollingstone.com/kill-team

Woman raped and murdered in Iraq:

http://articles.cnn.com/2006-07-09/j...diya?_s=PM:LAW

Children shot by border patrol agents:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/shoot...ry?id=10880880

...and finally my favorite, Border Patrol agents killed by weapons the ATF allowed to be purchased here and skipped across the border right in to the hands of cartel members:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20035609.shtml


If this is what you call "ground truth" and doing something for your country and your community, I'll stick to my "liberal rags", math, and statistics thank you very much.

[swizzzle]

Originally Posted by SweetKimberly

1. Death of Osama Bin Laden was on his watch, etc, etc

Its kind of amazing when you make a list what an immense improvement Obama has been over the Bush/Cheney hucksters that brought the US down with the help of the Fox/Limbaugh republican media. Unfortunately, ignorance and prejudice when amplified by right-wing disinformation has yielded the kind of responses you mostly see on this page. Obama has done everything humanly possible to turn the country around against incredible resistance, and he is doing a fantastic job. I cringe when I see another pseudo-religious, swaggering Texan might make it into the White House.