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Guest031811 · 09-10-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gooose

My 2 cents.

I think there should be an unspoken understanding that if I had a date with a provider, I might be using her as a reference for the next provider that I see.

Most of the provider's criteria for references are pretty vague unlike WM's. You should tell the hobbyist what info you need from them ie. provider's handle, date of appt, location, etc. in order for you to verify them.

And third but not the least; JS was a little rude in his comment and a true gentleman would apologize.

Hey, I agree. If you saw me, then yes, I can assume that you are going to use me as a reference. What I'M suggesting is that if a gentleman doesn't want to use p-411, that he emails the lady prior to using her as a vouch. 3 months from now, she might need a little help remembering the session. When a man emails her, his email history pops up. She thinks, "Oh yeah, I remember him. He brought me a bottle of wine. I asked him to stay a little longer. I had a nice time with him. I'd love to give him a vouch."

Its not so much about asking the lady for permission, as it is doing her a favor by helping her remember.

I know some gentlemen feel that they are going to hurt a lady's feelings by telling her that they are going to use her as a reference instead of coming to see her. Ok. I understand that. My feelings don't get hurt, but I can see why a man would feel awkward. THAT's when you give a description of yourself. You can say, "Tell her that I'm Miami Rick, the alligator man. I've seen her twice. Both times I wore a Hawaiian shirt."

By the way, this isn't gospel. This is my having a conversation and sharing my opinion. If a gentleman thinks my request is stupid. OK. Thats fine. Will I still see him? Sure.

I've had experiences in the past where this song and dance vouching stuff has taken DAYS. The gentleman wanted an appointment like yesterday. I am not making any accusations or trying to make anyone feel bad. I am making a suggestion, a request.

But as far as being more specific, I think you are correct. I can include this on my website ("When using another escort as a vouch, please notify her or provide a memorable description of yourself to help her vouch for you.")

Thanks for the advice!

JSmith2010 · 09-10-2010, 07:30 PM

From now on I'm going to hobby wearing a pink banana suit.

Guest031811 · 09-10-2010, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray McKigney

A lot of us just don't feel comfortable with giving P411 all the information they request. I do agree that it is a good idea to ask before you use a girl as a reference. But once a girl has told me that I can use her as a reference, am I good to go, or should I contact her beforehand each time?

Eh. That's a tough question. I cannot answer for all providers. However, I think once is generally sufficient. However, consider this situation:

You use Sara Sue as a reference 3 months after you had your session. Then, 5 years from now you use her as a reference again. She probably is going to need you to refresh her memory again by contacting her and giving her another heads up.

Second scenario: Let's say I know my regular, "Handlemebig" by his real first name "Bob". Sara Sue calls and asks if I've ever seen Handlemebig. My response is probably going to be "No", only because I don't know Handlemebig, I know Bob.

davester · 09-10-2010, 07:55 PM

Ok, I'm going to sound like a real newb here....but what's P411? I mean, I know it's a website, but what exactly is the benefit to it?

I'll admit, I don't hobby that often, at least not with indies. If anything, I'll go to a SC or AMP every couple of months or so. I'm not really sure why. I've had fun with the few indies I've been with, but I guess it hasn't been anything that makes me want to run back the following week.

So in my case, where I may just on a whim think, "Hey, she seems fun, let me call her up!" should I bother with P411?

Guest081519 · 09-10-2010, 07:58 PM

Miss Lennox doesn't need anyone to defend her. She does quite well on her own. Mr Smith I think that you are trying to stir up a fight and you should apologize for being rude.

Guest031811 · 09-10-2010, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by davester

Ok, I'm going to sound like a real newb here....but what's P411? I mean, I know it's a website, but what exactly is the benefit to it?

I'll admit, I don't hobby that often, at least not with indies. If anything, I'll go to a SC or AMP every couple of months or so. I'm not really sure why. I've had fun with the few indies I've been with, but I guess it hasn't been anything that makes me want to run back the following week.

So in my case, where I may just on a whim think, "Hey, she seems fun, let me call her up!" should I bother with P411?

Even though you are a hobbiest, there would be no way for me to verify that. If I called the AMP and said, "Did you see davester? He isn't a cop or anything, right?" They would probably hang up on me.

Well sh*t. How do I know that you're not really a cop? I mean, you seem like a nice guy... but I don't want to take the chance of getting arrested.

P-411 does a screening process on you for me. If I see that you are a p-411 member, I think "not a cop, safe to see".

I know p-411 charges for membership... I think its like 70 bucks for the year (don't quote me on that). If it makes you feel any better, I spend 100 a month on advertising with them. Plus, I do offer a p-411 discount to clients.

Guest052716 · 09-10-2010, 08:38 PM

Hey Brittany, I understand your concern. What about military guys like me who go from city to city. I actually do have a Datecheck account (Luvbi69girls) but I have since moved on here where my Datecheck activity is all in DC . . . Being new to SA, I appreciate a "leap of faith," and am more than willing to provide as much information as you need to make you feel comfortable! Btw, MsPrittiKitte if you're free plz PM me or text me . . . YOU are my hearts desire!

Guest031811 · 09-10-2010, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvbi69girls

Hey Brittany, I understand your concern. What about military guys like me who go from city to city. I actually do have a Datecheck account (Luvbi69girls) but I have since moved on here where my Datecheck activity is all in DC . . . Being new to SA, I appreciate a "leap of faith," and am more than willing to provide as much information as you need to make you feel comfortable! Btw, MsPrittiKitte if you're free plz PM me or text me . . . YOU are my hearts desire!

A vouch is a vouch. I don't think it matters where the lady is from. If you are on Date-check, then you already have girls who have vouched for you. This is as good as gold (in my book).

sanantonioman37 · 09-10-2010, 08:54 PM

All I can say is p411 is a life saver and just makes setting up an appointment super easy. I love the ok system that it uses, so the provider with an account can see your references when reading your request for an appointment. I admit I was concerned about giving my info but the positives greatly outways my concerns about using it.

davester · 09-10-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by brittanylennox

Even though you are a hobbiest, there would be no way for me to verify that. If I called the AMP and said, "Did you see davester? He isn't a cop or anything, right?" They would probably hang up on me.

Well sh*t. How do I know that you're not really a cop? I mean, you seem like a nice guy... but I don't want to take the chance of getting arrested.

P-411 does a screening process on you for me. If I see that you are a p-411 member, I think "not a cop, safe to see".

I know p-411 charges for membership... I think its like 70 bucks for the year (don't quote me on that). If it makes you feel any better, I spend 100 a month on advertising with them. Plus, I do offer a p-411 discount to clients.

I get what you're saying. I don't use the AMPs as my references, so when I do find a lady that strikes my fancy, the only reference I have is one I may have seen 3-4 months ago.

I guess I'll have to decide whether it's worth it or not. I may see 2-3 providers in a year, and, so far, I haven't had an issue. The only thing is if one of those ladies retires, I'm back at noobie status.

Dick Diamond · 09-11-2010, 10:24 PM

whatever

Sarah Owens · 09-11-2010, 11:17 PM

is there a way we as providers can have a baby forum just for us that has our ok list of clients? or a way we can have a place on our profile page for it visible only to other verified providers? so we can just look at the other ladys page when he says sarah owens is my vouch we meet a month ago you can look at my list with his handle and the date we met? i think it would be a lot easier i have recieved calls for vouches when i am in session and i am unable to return the call in a timely manner for them and i allways feel bad if i do happen to forget a gent..

davester · 09-11-2010, 11:39 PM

There's a provider in South Texas, Brandy, that has a website similar.

I haven't really looked into it to much, but basically once you're on that list, all a provider needs to do is check the list and I guess you'll be approved.

Of course, you'd have to trust said list, but at least in South Texas, she's well known.

Mature Companion · 09-12-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by davester

There's a provider in South Texas, Brandy, that has a website similar.

I haven't really looked into it to much, but basically once you're on that list, all a provider needs to do is check the list and I guess you'll be approved.

Of course, you'd have to trust said list, but at least in South Texas, she's well known.

I know of said list. I wouldn't see anyone based on their being listed on a list of OK'd guys to see.

Just like with P411 members & anyone else.
I require feedback from their references. I want to make sure that there's going to be a good connection between me & the gentleman. Plus I like to know what their over all behavior toward a woman is like bcd. I also want to make sure that said gent hasn't over stepped his bounds at any times during his previous dates, etc etc.
If I'm not comfortable with said feedback. I'll decline meeting.

A list doesn't afford said proactive feedback. That I personally feel every lady ought to get before she see's a hobbyist.

Informative feedback, allows you to avoid meeting those with whom you may not connect with. etc etc. It plays a major role during the screening process. Something a *list* does not.

But then again. WADTD.

Hobby safely & wisely!

H8edByOne · 09-12-2010, 03:02 PM

As someone who is new to the hobby, I would have to say that obtaining a reference in the first place is the most frightening part of this whole thing...Not knowing if who I was talking with was who they say they are, or a sting operation or something even more dangerous.

I am sure that the Ladies that help me enjoy the time I spend with them feel that every time a new person seeks their attention. I have not had any issues with Preferred 411 and it has made things much simpler from my perspective. I know that I can make notes and I believe that the provider also can make notes if they accept your request to be a reference. As a hobbyist, I look for any and all references I can find on a specific woman before I make any type of an arrangement because I don’t want to waist my time or be takes. If the reviews are bad or they have non there is a great risk and at this point I would rather see someone that I know is real with good reviews. Why should we expect anything less from the women we seek?

I visit Texas from time to time and I happen to think that the women in Texas are some of the hottest around...I also don't expect anyone of them to remember me with out a detailed description of our time together, which is easy to do if you posted a review.

As far as what Brit had to say, I think it is important for those of us that are new or don’t seek the companionship very often to read about these types of issues…I have never seen or assumed that Brit posts are complaints...IMHO, I think it is more about provoking instructing or teaching…

JS – I agree that you have a right to your opinion and I respect that right – however, respect the fact that at times there may be a few or there may be many that do not agree with your opinion. I always assume that someone will not agree with mine and am not offended by it…