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Old 09-04-2010, 08:20 AM   #16
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Why?



It seems that CL and BP always are talked about in a negative way yet everyday many here browse these ads and absolutely love to find a great provider that is unknown to our community. Many providers that are here and were on ASPD started out on CL or BP. There are providers here that are less than reputable. It appears that many have this attitude that if you are here you are somehow better that those that advertize on other sites. I will agree that you are more likely to run into a "rip off provider" on these other sites but I don't think it is good to see them go.




You're probably right but.... What if CL is gone for good and they now target BP. Pretty soon BP is gone and maybe they decide to target ECCIE. Then everybody will be crying foul and how LE needs to worry about more serious issues and leave all of us "good people" alone.

Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.

Well said budman.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:38 PM   #17
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http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl..._lnk2%7C168525
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:09 PM   #18
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/04/...ex.html?hpt=T2
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:14 PM   #19
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They will just advertise in the beauty or health section.
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:55 PM   #20
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Why?

I don't need to explain why.

So enough over CL. It's not the end of the hobby.
Plenty
of safe & reputable hobby sites on the WWW.
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Old 09-04-2010, 03:53 PM   #21
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I don't need to explain why.

So enough over CL.

Shit, it doesn't take much to get your panties in a wad. If you make a statement, back it up with an explanation.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:03 PM   #22
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Shit, it doesn't take much to get your panties in a wad. If you make a statement, back it up with an explanation.

When your certain about my panties being in a wad. Then you can take them off!! Until then refrain from making such comments in my directions.

And lastly, I don't need to back up anything regarding CL, with an explanation. That site & it's issues speak for it's self!!!!
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Old 09-04-2010, 05:58 PM   #23
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When your certain about my panties being in a wad. Then you can take them off!!
No thank you. I think I'll pass.
Until then refrain from making such comments in my directions.
I believe I can reply to any of your comments I feel like. If you don't want to explain your comments then don't make them. And if you do don't be surprised when someone calls you on them.

And lastly, I don't need to back up anything regarding CL, with an explanation. That site & it's issues speak for it's self!!!!
Same for you and your attitude.
Have a good day.
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:40 AM   #24
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War of the Roses...lol!

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You're probably right but.... What if CL is gone for good and they now target BP. Pretty soon BP is gone and maybe they decide to target ECCIE. Then everybody will be crying foul and how LE needs to worry about more serious issues and leave all of us "good people" alone.
Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
Sixxbach and Budman...very well said!
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Old 09-05-2010, 11:53 AM   #25
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Don't you just feel the love?

Ok I think we're getting off point here. Just watch the news channels and you will see coverage on CL on the pulling of sexually explicit advertisements on the major tv networks (even KSAT had coverage on this one).

Have a great holiday and where is everyone hanging out tomorrow? Maybe that should be another thread...

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Old 09-05-2010, 07:13 PM   #26
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I know they removed the Adult Services category from the main page, but as of right now the existing ads are still visible. Check this one out:
http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/ads/1935486334.html

Seems strange that with the AGs and media watching they wouldn't have killed the entire category AND listings.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:09 PM   #27
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Although Craigslist is privately owned, it is very ubiquitous. In order to keep its main properties "respectable," it will respond to governmental pressure - think BP and Gulf of Mexico.

otoh, read closely this NY Times article, and note that CL was not bowing to any LAWful argument.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/te...ml?_r=1&ref=us

if the above link doesn't operate, here's the entire article:

September 4, 2010
Craigslist Blocks Access to ‘Adult Services’ Pages

By CLAIRE CAIN MILLER

Craigslist, the popular Web site for classified ads, has blocked access to its “adult services” section and replaced the link with a black label showing the word “censored.”

Law-enforcement officials and groups that oppose human trafficking have been highly critical of Craigslist, saying that the adult ads helped facilitate prostitution and the selling of women against their will.

Craigslist, which is based in San Francisco, did not respond to requests for comment, and it was unclear whether the block represented a permanent shift in policy or a temporary protest against the outside pressure on the company, which has lasted several years.

Last month the attorneys general from 17 states sent a letter to Craigslist’s chief executive, Jim Buckmaster, and its founder, Craig Newmark, asking the company to immediately remove the adult services section.

The controversy is the one of the most prominent in the debate over free speech on the Web, where anyone can easily and anonymously post anything: just how much responsibility does a Web site have for what is posted by its users, or for potential criminal activity that results from the posts?

The company, while promising to provide more rigorous oversight of the ads, has defended its right to run them and says it is protected under federal law — the Communications Decency Act — a position that judges and legal experts have generally backed.

“They can absolutely keep it up. The law is pretty crystal clear on this,” said M. Ryan Calo, a senior research fellow at the Stanford Law School’s Center for Internet & Society. “What’s happened here is the states’ attorneys general, having failed to win in court and in litigation, have decided to revisit this in the court of public opinion, and in the court of public opinion, they have been much more successful.”

Richard Blumenthal, the Connecticut attorney general who helped lead the effort against Craigslist, said by phone on Saturday that “these prostitution ads did not promote a victimless crime. There is human trafficking in children, assaults on women.”

He said he was pleased that Craigslist appeared to be “doing the right thing voluntarily” but added that his office would continue to monitor the site and was trying to determine if Craigslist was closing the section permanently. Craigslist continued to block access to the section on Sunday.

The ads in the adult section, which cost $10 to post and $5 to repost, are a big revenue source, analysts say. Craigslist is private and does not report financial figures. But adult ads are expected to bring the company $45 million in revenue this year, according to the Advanced Interactive Media Group, an organization that analyzes Craigslist.

Some Internet law analysts said on Saturday that Craigslist could be sending more than one signal — that it was both capitulating to law enforcement and thumbing its nose at it.

“There are multiple ways in which to censor speech — one is directly through the courts, and the other is through a form of protest that says, even if you can do this, stop doing it,” said Thomas R. Burke, a lawyer at Davis Wright Tremaine who specializes in Internet law and is not involved with Craigslist. “Maybe their point in saying they were censored is that people need to understand the law better.”

But Malika Saada Saar, executive director of the Rebecca Project for Human Rights, a nonprofit group that has urged Craigslist to shut the adult services section and screen the entire site for such ads, said the company should be held responsible for what appears on its site. She said Craigslist “has the legal responsibility as well as the moral responsibility” to close the section.

Craigslist has taken steps to appease critics before. In May 2009, it removed its “erotic services” category and replaced it with “adult services,” for “postings by legal adult service providers,” and had all adult services ads manually screened by a lawyer before posting.

But criticism has continued, fueled by prominent cases like that of Philip Markoff, a Boston medical student who was charged with murdering a woman he had met on Craigslist. He pleaded not guilty, and he died in jail last month in an apparent suicide.

The section in question appears not to have been blocked abroad. In France visitors to the site have access to the Érotique link and can see material intended for adults.

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Case law does exist now in re the Communications Decency Act (of all things, very rightly named in this instance) and most recently the suit by the Sheriff of Chicago against CL which was tossed out by a federal judge in Chicago last year who cited the Act in doing so.

Attorneys General are politicians and will always respond to the squeaky wheels (citizen complaints) and try to make hay with publicity. Several AGs, (think Spitzer) played that game very well until, well, until the cookie jar turned out to be a publicity trap, too.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:30 PM   #28
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Ironically it is the First Amendment which allows some of you to voice your support of the current "self-imposed" censorship by the owners of Craig's List while others are in opposition. The key to remember is these forums are privately owned. Those who partake in any of them really need to be aware of the "fine print" associated whereby you freely chose to partner therein. Oh yea ===> I bet you read every line!!!

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=22237

This will definitely be interesting and fun to watch because Craig's List is officed in California.
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Old 09-05-2010, 11:11 PM   #29
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It will take less than a month for someone to take place of CL Adults section. For example, check BP's ad of adultsearch.com. It is impossible to shut down the market, if there is a demand in such market.
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Old 09-06-2010, 08:59 PM   #30
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From the National Discussion Forum:

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=95990
(Note TexTushHog Post #3)

and here is the current posting for San Antonio:

http://www.newcraigslisterotics.com/...hp?r=402&id=11
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