I guess there's a reason why I Still Post

[Jemma Martin]

Originally Posted by Sarunga

I'm guessing...it's because Jemma is still here. Like I said....it's just a guess.

Just leave me alone and grow the fuck up! I'm leaving in less than two weeks so leave me and my name alone jerk!

[Dorian Gray]

For Jemma shutting down Sarunga.

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

Secondly, I like Blowpop. I know, that doesn't sit well. Personally I always figured his lists, at least later versions, were used for, um, negotiations. Or shoplifting if you prefer. But I don't know any man who would not seek a way to minimize his costs here. Some are just more imaginative. And in his case, provided both valuable information to hobbyists and advertising for providers.

The feeling is mutual, old friend. As much as some here don't want to believe it, the purpose of the list was originally to cut down on writing the same e-mail over and over again. If I had a nickel for every time I get an e-mail saying "who do you recommend for a great BBBJ" I'd have a whole mess of nickels. It may be hard to believe in the confrontational atmosphere that we have here, but I genuinely like my friends to enjoy themselves, and I like seeing those who provide a great service prosper. Since posting my preferences helps this in some small way, I continue to do so from time to time. The payoff for me is that providers bring their "A-game" when they see me.

Like you, I either pay a woman her rate or I don't see her. I don't negotiate. I do, however, ask if a provider offers a French-only rate. I started doing this after I ran into several providers who offer either a FS session or typically a FBSM with an oral finish, often for a significantly different contribution. If she doesn't offer this, I pay her regular rate or I see someone else. Negotiation is a touchy subject - some providers don't mind, others view it as an affront to their being. So it's best not to even try.

Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

I had more of the strip club/casino approach. When active, I always paid the list price to see a woman the first couple times. After that (which was rare) I'd ask if volume discounts or even prepaid discount plans were available. A no meant no to me. But I did catch many a yes. In the strip club world... Well, that's all a game. Many a time I paid far less than stated price or nothing. Other times the woman won and I could only groan in the morning thinking of the bill. But almost always has fun.

Strip clubs are a different beast, aren't they? I suppose that in a setting where everyone admits they're scamming everyone else that negotiation is simply a part of the game.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Like you, I either pay a woman her rate or I don't see her. I don't negotiate.

This is just not true.

[BatteriesNotIncluded]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

You two need to stop flirting with me...just sayin'...

Nah, it's addictive lol

[Guest100613]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Like you, I either pay a woman her rate or I don't see her. I don't negotiate. I do, however, ask if a provider offers a French-only rate. I started doing this after I ran into several providers who offer either a FS session or typically a FBSM with an oral finish, often for a significantly different contribution. If she doesn't offer this, I pay her regular rate or I see someone else.

[BatteriesNotIncluded]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Anybody can be a cracker. I’m just sick to death of the fake Southern gentlemen shtick. That’s what “Colonels” do.



Oh! THAT’s what you meant. Humph, who knew?



In case you missed the amount of times I said I think negating is a reasonable thing:

Quotes by Olivia from the Damnit thread.

1 - Negoiate for what? A better rate for more time, more patronage or grandfathering? If it's not one of these, what's being negotiated? Seriously.

2 - I have different rates. Did you read my post or were your seeking brevity? I said I personally have an Off the Clock options for $1,000, and I have agreements for grandfathering, extended engagements and patronage. I have no problem with good faith negotiation, but you do not negotiate in good faith.

This one was in my first post on that now defunct thread:

3 - I’m not saying that negotiation per say is bad. I had an Off the Clock option that rendered this type of, in your case I’ll use, “parlay” unnecessary. And there is always plenty of room to reach an understanding for extended or travel engagements, patronage and grandfathering. However, unless you are a blow and go client, which we all know you definitely are not, I do not feel there is room to negotiate with your scenario. Which brings us to talking point number two.

4 - No, it isn't. How about this................If you're not an long term client wanting to be grandfathered, you aren't going on an extended trip together or you aren't a regular client wanting an ongoing arrangement, you don't ask for a discount. This discount you speak of is based on what? Her absolute, ever lovin' desire to see YOU! (Not you specifically of course.) Why, because you just don't want to pay that price; you're so wonderful because you're, well, YOU, and you just know she'll luv, luv YOU. Is that how guys handle ALL their purchases? Does it work well at the grocery store?

So for the last mother fucking time……………………I never said negotiation is a bad thing. I said they way Blowpapi does it is a bad thing. I said, to be clear one more time, that when one negotiates both sides, unless JD Rockefeller is on the other side of the bargaining table and you are being sweated as he called it, give and take is customary and expected. Like in the case of grandfathering, patronage, extended engagement, etc. If some asshole just low balls women in their time of need, then he’s a bottom feeding, trick-ass motherfucker. Clear?



Apparently I need to be focused and have a bombastic delivery style because so many here are so busy showing how genteel they are and being Colonels they can’t fucking read what is written. Either that or they can’t hear it and thereby understand it above the roar of outrage in their own fucking heads because some uppity whore is calling them on their bullshit.



Do you really not know the story? Search can be your friend my friend.[/QUOTE]

Forgive me, Olivia. My attention deficit is showing. No, I don't know the full story. And honestly will never use search. There's more fun to be had than searching eccie Parlay.. I prefer that term lol. Yes, there's a line between negotiation and low life. It's different for us all but in most cases it exists. Thats the purpose if this thread, correct? To understand that fine line?

I always found the application if sufficient alcohol could bring the worst if enemies to the table. As a bar owner and retired provider you are in a unique position

NOTE: I am NOT asking for free drinks lol!

So I'd love to hear specific stories. I've been out of this for so long I probably am far behind the times. There are only two encounters, some 8 years ago, I regret not paying/more to the woman. There are many more I regret paying too much.

Cracker colonels rock! Lol

[BatteriesNotIncluded]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

The only real Colonel:



It had to be said. Now carry on!

I bet he paid under list price

[Valerie]

Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

He is a nice guy. A nice bad boy.

That would be correct..

[Sarunga]

Originally Posted by Dorian Gray

For Jemma shutting down Sarunga.

It took you only 300000000000000000000 attoseconds to respond.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

Thats the purpose if this thread, correct? l

No, the purpose of this thread was to explain why I still post. Others have intimated and you seemed to have an agenda or were at least more vocal about why.

The answer to why I still post is to address this in general, and specifically to call out the sheep’s clothing that some of assholes that bottom feed wear, thus earning the cracker’s rank of Colonel. You don’t have to like it, but nonetheless it is what it is. I hope that’s cleared up. I can make it more bombastic if you’d like. You seem to.

Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

As a bar owner and retired provider you are in a unique position l

I don’t own a bar. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Maybe search isn’t your friend.

Originally Posted by BatteriesNotIncluded

So I'd love to hear specific stories. I've been out of this for so long I probably am far behind the times. There are only two encounters, some 8 years ago, I regret not paying/more to the woman. There are many more I regret paying too much. l

And now you’re back to being the Old Southern Colonel. Darling, do tell…………..and all that shit. Sounds like you took your fair share of advantage. I don’t want to go back and forth with some asshole that “just wants to keep it real” yet doesn’t keep it real. Ok? No offense. See how that works, Darling.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by jbravo_123

The only real Colonel:



It had to be said. Now carry on!

You ain't from around here, are you?

[Guest082318]

OH I like your style. You should write an advice column or do talk show or something.

[Seedy]

Originally Posted by tbone2u

I like your posts Olivia. If you ever need any help cleaning up that bar....just whistle

Count me in also OH. We had some good laughs before.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Thanks! I like yours too. That bar is a never ending job; it's be more fun with company .

Besides somebody has to help Bones with his walker anyway, and the fucker drools. Lmfao

[pyramider]

With Bones drooling that should help save time mopping.