Discouraged

[Joan]

Could it be that you are burnt out?

[Secret_Amore]

Originally Posted by RALPHEY BOY

please enlighten us on your issues? You are attractive, not sure of your services offered since I do not see any reviews yet..

Yes my lack of reviews seems to be a frustrating hindrance.

Originally Posted by ztonk

It might help to describe what about the hobby has you discouraged...

z

Originally Posted by Codybeast

Without identifying the source of your discouragement you aren't really asking anything. Not unlike the generic question Q: What do you do when discouraged in life? A: Whistle a happy tune.

If you're discouraged over callers NSNCing you or you simply not getting enough calls then it's time to reevaluate whether your product is even in demand in Austin.

If not perhaps it's time to reevaluate if the hobby or at least the location is really suited for you.

If you're discouraged over how to deal with some men acting like jerks or pigs when they do show? That is a question for the experienced ladies to answer.

Originally Posted by ATF Hobby

Don't know if a provider can afford to do that if this is their main source of income.

I also am curious about what part of the hobby that has you discouraged. Not enough business? Getting business from unsavory individuals? Had some bad encounters lately?......etc.

well most of my discouragement comes from not knowing how to get a proper handle on this business/lifestyle.

Yea definitely had some bad experiences ever since I started (which was only in February) I mentioned this in my austin intro thread. when I first started out. had no fucking idea what I was doing how to go about doing things. didn't even know about BP. I had tried to do research before jumping in but it was limited (sad because that's something I'm quite competent at. the most effective research comes from knowing what you are looking for to begin with. so I thought I'll just join an agency they can teach me train me and all around show me the business. yea....apparently unless you're white, latina or the ever sought after asian legitimate reputable agencies don't want anything to do with you, oh and you have a spinner body 'cause god forbid you weigh over 120 (hell i think my boobs are 10lbs alone). (that was kind of discouraging but I marched on.) now little did I now pimps who claim to be managers of "agencies" will take any girl. so I thought I caught a break with an "agency" in florida (yea boy was I wrong. there are faster ways to destroying ones mental health and body. I mean why not become a crakwhore at that...) anyways got to tampa only to find myself not with a respectable agency but a pimp running a prostitution ring who'd convinced me (though that's not hard to do with your naive and don't know shit) to come out there on my last time with the promise of being able to become financially stable/well off within a couple of weeks. I wound up in the ghetto which I've always tried to avoid With My LIFE. with some fat black dude pimp at his place which was suppose to be "model housing"???? o.O more like a roach motel. ugggg I've never live someplace so UNdesireable in my life coming from a middle class upbringing. but I was a trooper and mostly just hopefully naive that I could make some good money in a short amount of time and get out of that nightmare place. except the asshole posted me right away wouldn't hardly tell me shit about like anything and just got aggravated when I did ask questions and pretty much told me its was all suppose to be very "wam bam thank you mam" (what you mean my life isn't going to be all Bell De Jour???) yes those were literally his words (I thought I was gonna lose my souls and self repsect to a life of wam bam thank you mam). oh and he also told me that GFE just mean the service include a BJ (did not specifi CBJ of BBBJ) this all being within hrs of getting off the greyhound, he didn't even let me shower or sleep before making me take calls, posting me and shit. He also kept changing my donation oh and i was never suppose to touch the money myself of that waaaas prostitution. o.O (so how was I suppose to get my cut?) he'd give me my half at the end of 2weeks oh but any money i made the first day of work that all went to "the buisness" I was only there one day then I jumpped into a different frying pan although the grass was DEFFINETELY looking better. there were other girls (little did I know I was in a heram, took a bit to figure that one out.) they seemed cool though anyways longer story short bitter sweet ended horribly and involved cops and me begging just to get my shit back and being left on the side of the road with what was left of my material belonging supposedly to find my own way back to TX cause I wanted to go home! 2 weeks of being decived, lied too, manipulated, threatened, a whored out like a comedity and tricked into thinking that that was it, that was "escorting" really was and that I couldn't do any better. (I mean really offering $40 10min "Top" specials...that's street hooker status right there. I'd rather OD on heroin then go back to killing my soul slowing with that BS and I'm as straight edge as they come I rarely even drink. you can forget 420) so I get back to texas not too much worse for the wear a tiny bit metally scared considering I'm sure other girls have been through worse. except now there a video clip on like redtube out there of me giving a BBBJ without my consent >_>.

so I'm back home and I stay away for about a month, but then I start to think what if I can do better this time around. but same dilemma I dunno where to go to let people know I'm available and what not other the BP. and at that point i had sworn of BP and its clientele always trying to haggle for lower wanting FS for $40 and yet wanting super model girls! so I thought to myself problem is getting the ball rolling and finding clients (I didn't know about forums yet) so what if I actually found a real agency (except you know I'm still black and over 120 >_>) I thought you know agencies have regulars and reputable agencies hobbyist trust those (like cut as a button - they reject me btw applied several times nico refuses to even send me a no thank you email >_>) and so with an agency I can get dates with respectable guys on a hopefully consistent basis. I thought agency = consistent clients = regular stable income. anyways another short version I wound up working with someone who turned out to be a pimp (who threatened to kill me for leaving and threatened to send people to burglarize my residence More on that story here) and he sent me a fake client who I saw 3 times last of which he choked me out without my consent the last time I saw him. AND wrote me fraud checks that got ME flagged for fraud and my bank account closed and now I can never open up another account with BoA and there's a black mark on my credit keeping me from opening an account elsewhere. haven't been without a bank account since i was like 7yo. I'm 22 and now have a fraud report on my credit for cashing a fake check I didn't know was fake. so there goes ever being able to get a loan, car, or bank account. (this reminds me I have to go fight my bank of putting that damn fraud charges on my credit they KNOW I was the victim >_>) But I dust my burnt ass off and troop on. lil tried of trying to do this shit all by my lonesome.

if I hadn't found Naughty Reviews I might have just said fuck it! its not even worth all this shit. I mean all I want out of like is to be financially secured, be self employed, make money at something I enjoy. I mean I thought High School sucked balls and the people were eh. anyways I found a supportive community that shared mature and wise information with me and showered me with moral support. yay thank God I'm not alone ^_^ BUT like none of the regular posters like in town (its either dallas,Tx, florida, or Tennessee) and not wanting to go back to BP someone suggested I check out eccie help met people who live in my area.

So now I'm here and like no one said hello to me in my intro thread when I posted untill i said something about it like 4days later but everyone other girl gets "your so sexy" "hello sexy" "hi!" "welcome! and some variation of enjoy yourself and stay safe" within minutes if not hrs of posting. not meh. (I have to admit was not feeling the love here or the welcome I should say) but I'm use to being rebuffed so I just troop on like the little engine that couldn't catch a break also being here also made me nervous cause I've read through some of the older threads and dear God there seems to be alot of drama on this site from providers to hobbyists to providers with other providers. I was always told that once I got out of HS that HS was over and yet everywhere I go it seems like people wanna act like we're still in High School.... T_T

and then the environment in generally over here just feels less warm....and quite frankly alot more I'm just tired of provider BS vibes and a lil hobby jaded and untrusting and very strong lack of trust. which is hard for me to deal with 'cause I'm still stupid, naive, young, and not jaded enough to take everyone at their word (except for trolls and people who come off as assholes in general).

and then when I try to each out to other provides for like a bridge of friendship I just get brushed off outright ignored. <- I have to admit this part gets to me. that is not to say If i ask for advice I'm ignored just no one apparently wants to befriend me. I have gather from observing the goings on in this board that providers turn on each other like HS ean girl bitches. again I thought HS was over? o.O apparently not....?

and THEN there's this ongoing debate amongst hobbyist about acceptable donation bases T_T

and then here and as far as I can tell ONLY here there's this perpetuated thing about making new providers give a "review" specials. I am very conflicted about this. aside from the fact that the very few eccie members who have contacted me about a date I offered a "review" special too and they still never came through and the 2 member who did see me I didn't offer a special too and they did come through but Neither wrote a review T_T although admittedly the first date is probably doing me a favor by not doing so as out time together was...awkward and we didn't really click. (which kinda makes me wanna go 'i'm sorry it wasn't the best time, do you want you money and toys back?' yea...I'm a very odd person but I am a docile people please its my fatal character flaw)

the second date though was great! very much looking forward the next call which won't be till the end of june....he said he would write a review, he has not done so and has probably forgotten all about it by now. I refuse to hassle him about it so I guess I'm just SOL.

and it is my main source of income and unless I want to work at McDonalds which I refuse to do going on hiatus no very do able right now. but its not my only source I am Finally getting some petting sitting business which pays waaaaay less and is MORE work. , but i actually like it maybe after I can afford to buy a quality mic and find good narrating jobs a hiatus my be plausible

Originally Posted by fun2come

I try to have sex with my SO, that will fix it.

I do not have an SO. though I wish I did because at least then I'd be getting more action than I do now....but I highly doubt I could have a successful relationship because I have a strong aversion to keepin things from an SO and as far as I can tell from other people you shouldn't seriously date while providing its just complicated and tends not to end well

Originally Posted by sue_nami

My best advice is get a hobby outside of work. something that demands your time and attention. the list of possible hobbies is endless but here are a few... set up a container garden, set up an aquarium, start writing your memoirs, join a trivia group that competes weekly, join the local kinky community and go to munches and workshops and make some kinky friends, start seeking out local music and see a band 2-4 times a week, try to find every dive bar in Austin and write a dive bar guide, volunteer at a local charity like meals on wheels or Austin pets alive, start a walking routine where u walk every single day, go fishing, go to library and rent a book to listen to and go home and listen to it and do some project while u listen to a new book, pick a hobby that is artistic and make some stuff to donate to silent auctions for charity. I bet you're just bored and needing some new stimulation hun. There is always just laying around naked at hippie hollow and chilling out if you need an escape.

"There is always just laying around naked at hippie hollow and chilling out if you need an escape." lol well I'm always laying around at home naked as I only wear clothes if I have to go outside my house. That is some good advice. I in need of stimulation T_T I'm such a hermit now and have grown complacent.

I have been writing again, working on my unfinished fantasy novel which I plan to self publish with my hobby earnings. I also want to start my internet radio talk show but not until i have a more consistent income and very well thought out schedule and material.

and I have a church group I go to on monday night where I get to question things in the bible and no one looks at me funny or judges me cause we're all just looking for answers.

I was able to take my grandmother to see the new Star Trek movie (courtesy of my last date's gift money) cause I've never been able to treat my grandmother before so that made meh happy!

I might go out to bars If my car was fixed but I hate relying on the damn bus. >_> I usually like open mics though austin has some really talented writers.

I get a lil burned out on audiobook though my personal library in HUGE takes up most of my hard drive apparently. but audiobooks and writing induce my complacent hermit like anti-social state.

but a good book does tend to cheer me up so I guess i shall rifle through my library and wait for a call.

Originally Posted by ATF Hobby

Hello.......Secret......

HI ^_^

so overall
- lack of encouraging experiences (be threatened, and attempted black mailed into sex slavery (that was fun! Not) pimped out, and ripped off resulting in a bad credit report at 22 T_T)
- eccie community seems not so warm and very untrusting
- lack of business (=lack of physical stimulation) from my lack of reviews
- lack of dates that actually come through
- lack of a good provider friend (what can I say I'd like someone I don't have to lie to about my income with)

so yea feeling a little discouraged I mean I'm a trooper but really...when do I get to stop hoping things will turn around look up and I can finally be a trusted established reputable Lady provider.

so yea I'm a lil discouraged.




and quite honestly when someone ask me about greek (it being a deal breaker for them if no) I was just wanna say so do you like taking it up the ass? o.O

I've heard some mixed opinions on whether its enjoyable for ladies

[Codybeast]

Not everyone with a vagina is cut out to sell it.

One should only pursue something if it in some way benefits or leads to improving the quality of his or her life strategically aiming toward a better future.

From the looks of it you have been pursuing something which not only has not benefited you but is drastically diminishing the quality of your life on many levels and is destroying your future.

In a nutshell. You're in the wrong profession. There's nothing dishonorable about a 9-5 job.
Pursue further education to improve the quality of the jobs you get and look back upon the hobby as a valuable experience which showed you who you are not.

When I was much much younger, ripped and studly one of my buds who made big bucks dancing for women at Chippendale's talked me into entering a couple of hot bod contests which I won.

I felt stupid pulling my shirt off in front of a drunk cheering crowd but kept listening to him because of the ego boost.

Finally he talked me into joining him for one of his private gig dance jobs for some bridal shower.
Once I got up there I couldn't stop laughing at myself and felt absolutely ridiculous. That was the end of that budding profession.

I wouldn't have known this was not who I was if not for the experience of trying it. I'm glad I did try it even as gay as I now think it seems even dancing for women.

Find what you like to do when no one is looking and work really hard at it. That will be a rewarding job and life.

Yoda has spoken

[SkyAmor]

I haven't been in the hobby that long but I am willing to tell you what I know so far! Send me a pm

[JJones]

I can't speak for others, but here is the impression I have:

I didn't see your Welcome post, I don't normally go there. When I saw you post this I was curious about you so I looked for your profile, there is none. Then I went to look at your reviews, and there were none. The only information about you is your website which I have looked at. It told me you were into fetish/bdsm, which doesn't interest me. It mentioned you also do gfe, but you don't do a good job convincing me why I should spend 200 for an hour with you. I looked at your pictures, and my impression they were mostly fetish related.

So, you seem to be in a niche market with no real advertising etc. That limits the number of people who will contact you.

You may be a wonderful person to spend time with, but you need to get me interested in you before i would contact you.

In my humble opinion, being black doesn't limit you, not being a spinner doesn't limit you. What is limiting you is what we know about you is that you prefer fetish. If you want to get some responses for gfe you will need to provide some better pictures etc and promote your gfe.

I wish you well.

[Secret_Amore]

Originally Posted by JJones

I can't speak for others, but here is the impression I have:

I didn't see your Welcome post, I don't normally go there. When I saw you post this I was curious about you so I looked for your profile, there is none. Then I went to look at your reviews, and there were none. The only information about you is your website which I have looked at. It told me you were into fetish/bdsm, which doesn't interest me. It mentioned you also do gfe, but you don't do a good job convincing me why I should spend 200 for an hour with you. I looked at your pictures, and my impression they were mostly fetish related.

So, you seem to be in a niche market with no real advertising etc. That limits the number of people who will contact you.

You may be a wonderful person to spend time with, but you need to get me interested in you before i would contact you.

In my humble opinion, being black doesn't limit you, not being a spinner doesn't limit you. What is limiting you is what we know about you is that you prefer fetish. If you want to get some responses for gfe you will need to provide some better pictures etc and promote your gfe.

I wish you well.

well eccie doesn't allow me to write more the ONE sentence in my about me I'm sure this has to do with being unverified. I don't have a showcase again unverified. so yea no profile.

I'm not sure what more I can say about gfe plan out the whole date? that kinda feels like setting boundaries. and Its not like I should go into any explicit details.

I mean some ladies do list their menu openly...

and Yes my pictures are from a fetish session I had, and since there is actually just a informative piece on proper BDSM behavior that takes up an entire page on its own plus my mainly fetish pics. my site does give off more of a fetish vibe. which is weird cause I actually do prefer GFE more so. its just more natural. I do have some very girl next door pics i've been debating whether to put up but I wasn't wearing my mask and there more me just being cute for the camera then look at me I'm so sexy blah blah blah.

also its hard to do a self timer photo shoot in my place not many spaces that have a clear solid background, with good posing space, and a place to set the camera. but I will try

and no I don't have reviews....not much to be done about that its up to the (2) guys to post them. neither have done so.

[fun2come]

phew, that was quite an interesting read ....

I think you are limiting yourself right now. Assuming you enjoy providing and are indeed in the right profession, there is really no reason why you could not be successful in ATX or the greater Texas area.

I think your main issue at this time is your GoTo market approach.
JJones points that out from his perspective.

Both Eccie and P411 can be very powerful and effective tools to get clientele.
No need to participate in the drama here. But use this tool effectively.

First step, you need to get Verified, see here how to do that: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=455283

Then get a showcase up, pics,pics,pics, info, rates, get us interested in you !!!
Reviews, Reviews, Reviews !!!
Then advertise in the Provider Ads and Weekend Lineup and space it over the week to always have a presence. (My pet peeve: Throw in a special once in a while, lol).
Mix the Ads up, make them intriguing. New pics once in a while.
Info: http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=19230

It would be great to have a mentor (as SkyAmor offered), but as you don't have a stellar history on making good judgement calls on who you should trust, I am a bit hesitant to recommend that for you, as NOT all people here will have your best interest in mind, but I think most do, the trick is to pick the good ones, and may be have 2-3 mentors.

Hope this helps and with a few slight adjustments, I really think you can be successful here.

[JohnnyYanks]

Belated "Hi, Sexy Girl!" Welcome.

Best wishes to you.

[JJones]

Thank you for responding.

As to pictures, from looking at your web site I still don't have a good idea of your body type or facial features. I don't think people are necessarily looking for glamour shots but rather pictures that give some idea of who you are.

As for your gfe, your web site describes it as a combination of body rub, conversation, cuddling, and then the reader is left wondering just what your gfe includes for activities. For example; is bbbj available? How about daty, fiv, msog? Are you a germophobe requiring cleaning up after each activity? You don't need to go into details, but nothing is known of your gfe.

If people have more information they would be more likely to contact you. If there is no information they would probably just move on.

[RALPHEY BOY]

wow, that is worthy of a Movie of the Week!!

sorry to hear about your bad experiences. that does suck.

[Secret_Amore]

[QUOTE=JJones;1052925934]I can't speak for others, but here is the impression I have:

When I saw you post this I was curious about you so I looked for your profile, there is none. Then I went to look at your reviews, and there were none. The only information about you is your website which I have looked at. It told me you were into fetish/bdsm, which doesn't interest me. It mentioned you also do gfe, but you don't do a good job convincing me why I should spend 200 for an hour with you. I looked at your pictures, and my impression they were mostly fetish related.

You may be a wonderful person to spend time with, but you need to get me interested in you before i would contact you.

If you want to get some responses for gfe you will need to provide some better pictures etc and promote your gfe.

I wish you well.

Originally Posted by JJones

As to pictures, from looking at your web site I still don't have a good idea of your body type or facial features. I don't think people are necessarily looking for glamour shots but rather pictures that give some idea of who you are.

As for your gfe, your web site describes it as a combination of body rub, conversation, cuddling, and then the reader is left wondering just what your gfe includes for activities. For example; is bbbj available? How about daty, fiv, msog? Are you a germophobe requiring cleaning up after each activity? You don't need to go into details, but nothing is known of your gfe.

actually you know what now that I look at them you know only 5 pics and a couple like members only pics are fetish related/oriented. simply wearing a corset does not a fetish girl make. I thought it was a pretty even mix. the only thing that would really tip the balance I guess is if you saw the pics of me in a corsets, as a fetish look which would be weird. I just really like corsets. I like lace,and old world victorian and yea sometimes gothic style fashion

but victorian goth doth not = Fetish

so idk why get a I prefer fetish vibe :/

but I took some new pics anyways

as to describing activities, even putting acronyms... why not just spell it out?
again some ladies do list their menu I have yet to go that rout as some ladies warn against it for liability purposes in case of LE

also my members only files has pics that show off more of my body a couple non masked

besides I kind of think my signature is an old world gfe indicator.
"I also felt unspeakable delight and nearly fainted with lust." - lol I mean how does a woman say that with a straight face

but I will try and add to my gfe description as delicately and subtly as I can. it will probably read somewhat like a romance novel sex scene, which I was trying to avoid since few men read romance novel and I don't want anyone to think I'm delusional. (considering for some men gfe just means bbbj and they can do without the intimacy. >_>)

come hither! won't you slide your fingers into my wetness. bring me to ecstasy with your tongue. plunge into me until I am sore and my voice is raspy from crying out your name.

actually hell I just might put that on my website.

but anyways yes to everything you mentioned, except like daty I have yet to meet a fellow who didn't lap at my land down under like a dog drinking out of a water dish. very unsexy. T_T I just makes me wanna say your suppose to make love to it NOT lap at it. y'all can read about that expirence here. its gotten quite a few laughs

Originally Posted by fun2come

phew, that was quite an interesting read ....

(My pet peeve: Throw in a special once in a while, lol).

Hope this helps and with a few slight adjustments, I really think you can be successful here.

lol I actually have holiday (christmas, new years, memorial) and B-Day specials (I think b-days are awesome and everyone should get laid on their b-day ) and anniversary special though that for couples

I mean come on who doesn't like christmas specials! (especially when spending money get tight)

[nuglet]

(I think b-days are awesome and everyone should get laid on their b-day ) and anniversary special though that for couples

I mean come on who doesn't like christmas specials! (especially when spending money get tight)[/QUOTE]


Uh, about those Anniversary specials.. couples need love too.. LOL

[GneissGuy]

Welcome to our little group. Sorry you didn't get a welcome that made you feel more comfortable. I used to do that more often, but the volume of new ladies is too high, and I don't hang out here as much as I used to.

Wow, lots of questions and comments. I wish you luck. It would take a lot of time to organize this post, so I'll just post some somewhat disorganized comments.

Sorry your guys didn't follow through with reviews. I'd suggest sending a short note asking guy #2 if he could do your review. Don't make it long, don't explain a lot. Just something on the order of, "hey could you do that review soon, please? I could use the publicity." Keep it to 20 words or less.

Review specials aren't necessary, although there are some guys who will try to scam the new girls over that.

By the way, be sure to exchange a PM with the guy on this board to be sure the person you're talking to is who you think it is.

Don't get too discouraged, you can probably make it work. However, there are always going to be some risks and problems. It's not for most ladies. (or for most guys, either.)

I think it's safe to say you WILL run into assholes, both guys and ladies, no matter what you do. There are also some nice people. Quite a lot of the time, you can tell fairly quickly. Most can't hide their inner psycho for very long face to face. There are also a small number can hide their inner psycho for a while.

The owners of this web site have taken a very much hands off attitude. While this has some value, it does tend to increase the asshole ratio. I suspect some assholes will respond and demonstrate what I'm talking about.

I've looked at your web site. The dom/sub stuff sticks out a little too much on the services page of your web site. Maybe it's just that there are more words about that type of activities on the page. It might work better if you just mentioned it's available and didn't put so much text about that. Or maybe make it a separate page with a link.

For me, B&D, dominant, submissive, etc. has zero interest to me. It's a minor turnoff. I won't even spank a lady during a session if she asks. I don't think sex and violence mix, because there's too much truly bad shit that goes on.

However, I love the pics with the mask. Heck, it would be a turn on to have the mask during a session, even though I'm not into "kink." I wish more ladies would do this instead of otherwise hiding or blurring the eyes. I love the corset pics, too. However, if you don't show your midriff, there's the suspicion you're hiding stretch marks or an otherwise unattractive midriff. The one or two pics with an exposed belly don't look that bad. Maybe you should post some more clear pics with the belly exposed. Some stocking and garter pics might help, too. The pics don't necessarily need to be more explicit or pornographic.

Your body looks fine to me.

BBBJ vs. CBJ should be clearer. I'm not sure where you stand on this.

As for listing activities, there are varying degrees of risk. Mentioning it face to face at the start of the meeting is worst. Via phone or direct e-mail or PM, slightly less risky. On an ad a little less. A post is a little less. Don't think that tricks like acronyms or "hints" will help. It's quite common in the police reports for the cop to claim "XZY is street slang for -insert activity here-." They often get the acronym wrong, but still file charges. They'll even say things like "it was understood that she was offering money for sex." Unfortunately, our injustice system lets them get away with it. They're often more interested in getting an arrest than bothering with a conviction. They also count on most people not being able to fight and taking a plea bargain.

The big risk is any hint of drugs. They love to tie drugs into any busts they make.

The 30 minute pre meeting probably hurts your business, too. Not that it's "wrong," but there are plenty of ladies who I don't have to bother with this in order to see. $200 and a full hour for a new lady also puts you at a disadvantage vs. some of your competition. Frankly, I can get better offers with nice ladies who I know.

[GneissGuy]

Oh, by the way, forget the illusion that the envelope offers you any protection. If anything, it makes it easier to get ripped off. Watch out for the blank paper in the envelope trick.

It's safer to just get the donation after the session. It makes it a little harder to get accused of things if no money changed hands, and if things go bad, it's a lot easier to get rid of the guy if no cash has been exchanged. It also increases the risk of a guy getting violent to get his money back.

You do run a higher risk of being ripped off, of course. Risk vs. reward.

[JennsLolli]

Someone (preferably a lady, or not someone looking for a free bang) take this girl out for a drink at a bar with wifi and help her. With what she's been through, she obviously has the gumption to be a provider. Looking back, I wish I would have reached out to a provider for help setting things up other than a hobbyist (who ended up taking advantage of me).

Godspeed. I hope in a few months you look back on your previous experiences and think "holy hell, why was I putting up with that???" The water certainly warms up once you dunk your head in.