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IIFFOFRDB · 06-30-2012, 07:25 PM

Guess what Mother Fuckers. When it comes time to Die Die. I do not have insurance and have not for 2 years. I probably never will again. I work with someone who just collected unemployment benifits for 2 yrs. She just wrote a check for $18,000.00 for a boobjob and other cosmedic crap. I'm hurting for money. So I have a guy I used to work with from El Salvador and his GF move in. They want me to write a letter so they can get food stamps. They got no kids. She gets money for her student loans. He's got a green card. They both work full time. I am only charging them $500.00 a month. I said Hell No...No...No...We do not deserve shit. If you want somthing go fucking earn it. If you already are set, you should not want me to pay for a bunch of FREELOADERS. Just because you can afford it...

timpage · 06-30-2012, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Not necessarily.

It is easy to forget that for decades the United States HAD a health care system that was the envy of the world. We had the finest doctors and hospitals, patients received high-quality, affordable medical care, and thousands of privately funded charities provided health services for the poor. I worked in an emergency room where nobody was turned away for lack of funds. People had insurance policies for serious health problems but paid cash for routine doctor visits.

--Ron Paul. The Revolution: A Manifesto

And so...the solution to our current problem is to continue to allow the 25% of Americans who don't have health insurance to show up at Emergency Rooms at public hospitals around the United States so they can receive healthcare at the taxpayers' expense. Gee, it seems like.....I dunno....socialism?

timpage · 06-30-2012, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

Guess what Mother Fuckers. When it comes time to Die Die. I do not have insurance and have not for 2 years. I probably never will again. I work with someone who just collected unemployment benifits for 2 yrs. She just wrote a check for $18,000.00 for a boobjob and other cosmedic crap. I'm hurting for money. So I have a guy I used to work with from El Salvador and his GF move in. They want me to write a letter so they can get food stamps. They got no kids. She gets money for her student loans. He's got a green card. They both work full time. I am only charging them $500.00 a month. I said Hell No...No...No...We do not deserve shit. If you want somthing go fucking earn it. If you already are set, you should not want me to pay for a bunch of FREELOADERS. Just because you can afford it...

Good for you. Hope nothing untoward happens to you like CANCER. And all the incredibly expensive CANCER-PREVENTING treatments that are out there and that COST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS that will be necessary to keep your dumb ass alive.

nwarounder · 06-30-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by timpage

Good for you. Hope nothing untoward happens to you like CANCER. And all the incredibly expensive CANCER-PREVENTING treatments that are out there and that COST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS that will be necessary to keep your dumb ass alive.

The good thing about Obamacare is that if he does get cancer, he can simply go get insurance when he needs it, problem solved.

nwarounder · 06-30-2012, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by timpage

And so...the solution to our current problem is to continue to allow the 25% of Americans who don't have health insurance to show up at Emergency Rooms at public hospitals around the United States so they can receive healthcare at the taxpayers' expense. Gee, it seems like.....I dunno....socialism?

Wouldn't be fair to keep giving all the illegal aliens free healthcare at the emergency rooms, and not Americans, would it? I'd suggest we stop those freeloaders before we start bitching about Americans...

timpage · 06-30-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nwarounder

The good thing about Obamacare is that if he does get cancer, he can simply go get insurance when he needs it, problem solved.

Yeah, except he can't afford it. So, he should die? Because he doesn't have a job that provides health insurance or because he has a job that doesn't allow him to pay for it indepently?

timpage · 06-30-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nwarounder

Wouldn't be fair to keep giving all the illegal aliens free healthcare at the emergency rooms, and not Americans, would it? I'd suggest we stop those freeloaders before we start bitching about Americans...

Yeah, we should let the illegals die. That would be GOP/Moron solution no. 7. Fucking idiot.

nwarounder · 06-30-2012, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by timpage

Yeah, we should let the illegals die. That would be GOP/Moron solution no. 7. Fucking idiot.

Absofuckinglutely, until we figure out a way to pay for it! That's what all the other countries that have gov healthcare does, or maybe you think we could all go to Canada and use their free gov healthcare? Of course you are too fucking stupid to come up with a solution so all you can do is resort to the only thing you know, poor, poor little aliens, don't worry, let's let the government protect and provide for for you for the rest of your life. But you don't mind turning on your fellow Americans and bashing them for doing the exact same thing. You are fucking hypocrite.

essence · 07-01-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by trynagetlaid

I'd love to read the report if you would repost the link. I'm sure it dwells on availability and implementation. I can't imagine another country having better health care available than we do, but I can easily imagine better implementation of same.

Is there a specific treatment of some rare disease or condition that Americans have to leave the country to obtain?

That would be very useful information for all of us to have.

This is a copy of what i posted on the other thread here.

These are a bit old (2000), but are the kinds of things I am after. US comes just below Costa Rica.

http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~wgreene/...P-Study-30.pdf

US is 37th on overall health performance, 72nd on level of health,

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/whr00_en.pdf

My analysis of table 2 puts US 42nd rank on probability of males dying between 15 and 59.

Table 5 on life expectancy puts US at 24th (and UK at 14th - could do better).

Table 8 has expenditure for US as 13.7% of GDP, $4187 per capita (WOW!!!). In comparison UK per capita is $1303, switzerland $3564, sweden $2456, germany $2713. UK lags behind other major european countries, at least in 1999.

I wish I could find more recent figures.

Do you think there is a problem?

essence · 07-01-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The2Dogs

Nobody in this country has ever been refused healthcare.

I think what you mean is that if somebody crawls up the steps of a hospital bleeding profusely they will be treated.

Is that the level of health care you consider appropriate for all citizens?

CuteOldGuy · 07-01-2012, 06:03 PM

Keep it up, Nonsense. Your stupidity is showing more and more.

trynagetlaid · 07-01-2012, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by essence

Do you think there is a problem?

Thanks. You proved my point.

CuteOldGuy · 07-01-2012, 06:37 PM

No problem that can't be solved with advice from an ignorant, arrogant European who hates America except when he needs health care or to make money.

joe bloe · 07-01-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nwarounder

The good thing about Obamacare is that if he does get cancer, he can simply go get insurance when he needs it, problem solved.

I'm looking forward to car insurance that allows pre-existing conditions. Just wait till you have a wreck and then go buy car insurance. It will be great!

essence · 07-02-2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

No problem that can't be solved with advice from an ignorant, arrogant European who hates America except when he needs health care or to make money.

CoG I thought you had put me on ignore because I always talk nonsense?

Let me help you.

You are not able to provide anything to refute the WHO well researched report that US health care is not even in the top 30.

When I provide facts you respond with insults (OK, that's the nature of this forum).

- I am not ignorant
- I am not arrogant
- I have both European and American leanings
- I do not hate America, I hate stupidity where ever it is found, I find most Americans I work with highly sensible and intelligent
- the only time I needed health care in the US I paid for it out of my own pocket
- yes, I do make money out of American companies, and other American companies profit from my profit.

I will leave you to mark the accuracy of your statement yourself.

Once again, given the clear presentation of unbiased reports by world authorities, do you think US has a current problem with health care, or is the current status quo acceptable?