Sharia myth sweeps America

[Cpalmson]

Originally Posted by essence

If I do work in Saudi, then the Saudi contract will probably be written according to Sharia law. Get over it, and sign here.

You are doing exactly what this thread was about, reinforcing a myth.

The point is that in Saudi Arabia, Sharia is the law of the land. Just like the Constitution is the law of the US. Do you seriously think the Saudi's would allow American customs to be allowed as a resolution between 2 Americans to a dispute in Saudi Arabia? I think not. You can't have one set of rules and then another separate set of rules based on one's religion, ethnicity or whatever. Rick Santorum was 100% correct in his statement. BTW, I'm not a Santorum fan. Problem is we have too many apologists trying to placate Muslims.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by essence

Please please please read the text about what sharia law means. Nobody denies the atrocities which are done under it's name, or some aspects of it (look up my link to Rowan Williams) but what we are talking about is use of certain customs when handling commercial negotiations etc.

If I do work in Saudi, then the Saudi contract will probably be written according to Sharia law. Get over it, and sign here.

You are doing exactly what this thread was about, reinforcing a myth.

It's not myth. Women are second class citizens in Islamic societies dominated by sharia law. Sharia law provides men with double the inheritance rights and even the woman's inheritance is managed by a male relative. Sharia law denigrates the testimony of women, in that the testimony of a women is worth half that of a man. Mohammed proclaimed, as documented in the hadith, that "women are deficient in intellect."

“In 1977, the Second Islamic Ulamas Conference met in Cairo for twenty-six days and issued a predictable recommendations: that sharia be enforced in Moslem countries, that a uniform Islamic constitution be drawn up to serve those countries seeking to implement sharia . . . But sharia itself and the ulama as a body have a higher function. They represent the collective religious conscious of the community, and the ruler of any country is well advised to maintain at least the appearance of harkening to the ulama’s counsel” (p 87).

“Like other principals of Islamic law, these are not merely legal requirements; there are divine requirements. The law is the religion, and vice versa” (pp 92-93).


Lippman, Thomas W. Understanding Islam: An Introduction To The Moslem World. New York: A Mentor Book. 1982. pp. xii, 196.

[JD Barleycorn]

A contract is a legal document and not a religious document. The specifics should be spelt out in the body of the document. This is like the definition section of a proposed law. It depends on what the definition of a word is. Like the word marriage; we in the west see marriage as a union between a man and a woman (get used to it) and in the Middle East a marriage can be between a man and up to four women. We accept the idea of women's rights (and gay rights) as universal. That is not the case under Sharia law. Their idea of women's rights depends solely on their husband and/or male relatives. Don't ask about gay rights, they don't exist. Not the rights but the gay people.
Going aside, it is always strange how someone like GaGa, Madonna, or other pro women/gay celebrities can be so supportative of Islam and condemn the US for percieved slights when in Islam they would literally dead.

[essence]

I think that before y'all whip yourselves up into further frothing, you read sexy's original post, and comment on what that states, not those nasty demons lurking under your beds.

God, it must have been terrible under the Macarthy era, few had the balls to tell him to fuck off, he had the ignorant masses under his leash, ready to lynch anybody who wasn't a good ol' boy. Terrifying what a hysterical mob will do.

Funnily enough, I actually lived in the US at that time (1959).

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

A contract is a legal document and not a religious document. The specifics should be spelt out in the body of the document.

You're serious about being a teacher? LMAO! How is teacher SPELT in your version of the dictionary? And why couldn't a marriage be looked at as a religious contract depending on the religion and the marriage?

I do pity your "students".

[Dr. Pecker]

Its not a myth in Europe.

[essence]

So, mr Europe expert, what is not a myth? And what caused ethnic cleansing in Bosnia?

Answer me that.

What caused a sophisticated cultured society like Germany become the embodiment of evil.

Answer me that.

Answer me that, otherwise keep your foolish ignorance to yourself.

Bloody innocents, they are more lethal than dictators.

[Dr. Pecker]

The Clinton administration and American media brainwashed us into thinking the Serbs were the bad guys.

[CuteOldGuy]

It was a convenient place to bomb to deflect attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

[essence]

Typical, neither of you has answered the question.

Let me help you.

The experience of human history has told us that the masses can be whipped up into any ideology, and then commit barbaric acts, all the while presuming their innocence.

This can happen in any society, however sophisticated.

So my message to the stupid ones is: stop, before you have blood on your hands.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by essence

I think that before y'all whip yourselves up into further frothing, you read sexy's original post, and comment on what that states, not those nasty demons lurking under your beds.

God, it must have been terrible under the Macarthy era, few had the balls to tell him to fuck off, he had the ignorant masses under his leash, ready to lynch anybody who wasn't a good ol' boy. Terrifying what a hysterical mob will do.

Funnily enough, I actually lived in the US at that time (1959).

Lippman's book is as much an authority on Islam as anything you and sexyeccentric1 are endorsing. BTW, the Venona documents substantiated McCarthy's claims there were communist agents at work in the U.S. government, and Churchill was a lone voice warning against Hitler and Nazism when everyone else was following Chamberlain's policy of appeasement.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by essence

Typical, neither of you has answered the question.

Let me help you.

The experience of human history has told us that the masses can be whipped up into any ideology, and then commit barbaric acts, all the while presuming their innocence.

This can happen in any society, however sophisticated.

So my message to the stupid ones is: stop, before you have blood on your hands.

Gawd, you are full of yourself. We MUST agree with you, or there will be blood on our hands. Ooooh!

[essence]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Lippman's book is as much an authority on Islam as anything you and sexyeccentric1 are endorsing. BTW, the Venona documents substantiated McCarthy's claims there were communist agents at work in the U.S. government, and Churchill was a lone voice warning against Hitler and Nazism when everyone else was following Chamberlain's policy of appeasement.

IB, I have real problems engaging you in debate when my mind is entranced by your beautiful avatar.

But - so you support everything which went on under the macarthy era?

[essence]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Gawd, you are full of yourself. We MUST agree with you, or there will be blood on our hands. Ooooh!

Deal with the issues or fuck off.

[CuteOldGuy]

But Essence, how can I deal with the issues when you are so superior to me? I don't want "blood on my hands" by ever disagreeing with you. That would be too hard to take.