Forced Orgasms vs. Tease / Denial

[ztonk]

Originally Posted by Miss Sophie Bella

On the other end of the spectrum, I've never experienced a forced orgasm.

ooooo.... I sense an opportunity!

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by blowpop

For the type of play I typically find myself drawn to, the key is that she is not in control of her sexuality -- I am. She might be instructed to do something in a usually inappropriate setting, or she might be instructed to refrain from something she wants very much at a particular moment.

BlowPop, there are some interesting scenarios I've read about involving orgasm training that sound similar. Doms with a long term submissive are able to create word associations and in effect, reprogram aspects of their sub's orgasmic response. I assume there is some use of tools like neurolinguistic programming to find the right triggers.

The ability to force an orgasm with a soft whisper in the ear or even just a look is tempting. Of course, it is psychological play so proper care of the sub's mental state is paramount. Sounds fun, but not something I'm actively looking to employ at this point in time.

[TaylorMaiden29]

Originally Posted by Miss Sophie Bella

Babee, I know it's slightly off topic, but I just had this lovely (dangerous? scary?) vision of us co-topping some poor fool. It made me smile. Come see us in TX.

Can I be the "some fool?" Although I'm Dominant, I've always had a secret fantasy of being topped by Sophie Bella. I promise I'll be very obedient........

In fact, I need a spanking, I never did read the D/s book that you guys were reading.........

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by Miguel

BlowPop, there are some interesting scenarios I've read about involving orgasm training that sound similar. Doms with a long term submissive are able to create word associations and in effect, reprogram aspects of their sub's orgasmic response. I assume there is some use of tools like neurolinguistic programming to find the right triggers.

The ability to force an orgasm with a soft whisper in the ear or even just a look is tempting. Of course, it is psychological play so proper care of the sub's mental state is paramount. Sounds fun, but not something I'm actively looking to employ at this point in time.

Redirecting orgasmic response is something I've dabbled with in my adventures with some particularly pliable playmates. You're right; NLP techniques can be employed, as can simple reward-based reinforcement.

One of my proudest accomplishments was when I trained a long-term pet to orgasm based on feeling the tapping of a particular rhythm. She got to the point where we could be out to dinner, and I could tap the rhythm on the table, and within ten seconds she'd be squirming in her seat, no matter who was at the table with us.

To me, that is the essence of dominance and submission.

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Great post.

Redirecting orgasmic response is something I've dabbled with in my adventures with some particularly pliable playmates. You're right; NLP techniques can be employed, as can simple reward-based reinforcement.

One of my proudest accomplishments was when I trained a long-term pet to orgasm based on feeling the tapping of a particular rhythm. She got to the point where we could be out to dinner, and I could tap the rhythm on the table, and within ten seconds she'd be squirming in her seat, no matter who was at the table with us.

To me, that is the essence of dominance and submission.

Having control over something as intimate as sexual release leads to a very deep bond between a dominant and submissive. The brain is the most sexual organ that we have, so having the complete control over the subs orgasmic release shows that not only is there complete trust between the two of you, but that you have taken the care and effort that is required to gain this trust.

Though orgasm release is often one of the first things a submissive surrenders to the dominant, this kind of mental conditioning is not always easily achieved. It requires a degree of skill, as you have the ability to bring the sub to a plateau that no one can, not even themselves.

That is indeed an accomplishment AND the essence of any D/s relationship.

[supersarge]

I would rather be denied than allowed to release. I feel more used and humiliated that way.

[Hot to Trot Daphne]

Originally Posted by supersarge

I would rather be denied than allowed to release. I feel more used and humiliated that way.

If you don't deserve a reward, you don't get one...

[supersarge]

Yes Mistress.

[Guest022712-3]

One of the hottest experiences I've ever had ran along this vein, but not precisely. It was a Tease and Denial. I was tied up, stomach down. The gentleman in question was having fun torturing me with a remote controlled "egg". He would bring me to the edge--- I would beg to cum-- he would deny and stop. We repeated this cycle for over an hour--- finally I could take no more and I came without permission. That was the whole idea. He had set up a game that he knew in the end I could not win.

The spanking and paddling that followed was the most thorough I've ever received. The drive home was quite--- <shivers>

He was one of my ATF's up in Ohio. He couldn't "perform"-- but I had the most earth shattering orgasms each time we got together.

[Shackle]

December that sounded incredibly hot. I love keeping my partner just at the edge until she cannot bear it anymore. The release is quite amazing. So is the sheer exhaustion that usually follows these play times.

[Guest050613-02]

Originally Posted by DecemberLove

One of the hottest experiences I've ever had ran along this vein, but not precisely. It was a Tease and Denial. I was tied up, stomach down. The gentleman in question was having fun torturing me with a remote controlled "egg". He would bring me to the edge--- I would beg to cum-- he would deny and stop. We repeated this cycle for over an hour--- finally I could take no more and I came without permission. That was the whole idea. He had set up a game that he knew in the end I could not win.

Played out a variation of this last night at Iniquity with my sub. I inserted a remote control egg before we left the house & kept turning off the egg just when she was getting close to orgasm. I bound her cuffs and left the remote in her mouth or sticking out of her corset while we mingled with other couples.

Later I left her chained to the upstairs railing with it going while I went to the restroom & to refreshed our drinks. I gave the remote control to the bartender, than to a couple sitting near by, etc., always explaining that I wanted her to get close but not finish.

Really fun night--both at the club and back at the house afterwards.

[heidilynnla]

I thoroughly enjoy the art of the tease. To tease and be teased! Really, what is the rush?

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by ReadCT

Played out a variation of this last night at Iniquity with my sub. I inserted a remote control egg before we left the house & kept turning off the egg just when she was getting close to orgasm. I bound her cuffs and left the remote in her mouth or sticking out of her corset while we mingled with other couples.

Remote control vibrators are the best toy ever (other than a well-trained sub.) More than once they've been the first step to helping a playmate realize she has a submissive side.

[lovelydonn]

I found your post very interesting Miss Sophie Bella....did you found in your practice that you achieve good orgasm control in your "subjects" even if premature orgasm is a problem....I was wondering if your techniques might be a way to solve this over time....I would really like sharing ideas with you?

[Shackle]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Remote control vibrators are the best toy ever (other than a well-trained sub.) More than once they've been the first step to helping a playmate realize she has a submissive side.

One night we went toy shopping and bought one of those remote control eggs and it was great fun. But we never went out in public to try the egg say at lunch.